Social Lauren Boebert theater pocket pool and transexual discussion

[kflo]

Yes, that is the section I addressed. What I can't understand is why you can't understand what I wrote and can't respond with your own words.

You wrote that stats may not be accurate. Ok…

So now what? What does that mean in context of the rest of the sections?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You wrote that stats may not be accurate. Ok…

So now what? What does that mean in context of the rest of the sections?

I wrote that in the videos you won't watch even though I read you or link those stats were discussed and there are problems on two fronts. The first is that trans rape yields no results if you search through Google. But if you get creative, you can find all kinds of rape and sexual assault done by trans people. And so it is underreported when trans people do crimes and they are called "men" in the reports. They're called men because they are men.

Now I personally would be very interested in any legitimate series of studies that shows no issues with trans people though because that would change my mind.

But since we are dealing with men who are violent and who rape that is not how it's going to play out because men will continue to act like men even if they say they are women.

The other issue is that they're going back decades when the percentage of trans people was so low as to be nearly statistically insignificant.

That's obviously going to change when a ton of men are now deciding that they are women and since we know men harm women those rates will go up and that's what women don't want. The ease at which you can legally decide you're a woman will also factor into how dangerous these bathroom laws are. In Scotland you can become a woman just by saying so... that's all you have to do. You don't even have to fill out paperwork. Obviously lots of men who really are not trans people will be taking advantage of those ridiculous laws. But they don't have to be that easy of laws in order to encourage malfeasance from abusing them.



It literally has nothing to do with the fact that they're trans. It has to do with the fact that they are men.

That position also ignores the most important point, which is that rape should not be the only consideration for whether or not men are allowed in women's restrooms for lots and lots of reasons that also go back decades and that women have fought for and feminists have fought to gain.

Women should be able to go to women's restrooms in order to have miscarriages in order to get away from leary men in bars and call friends to come get them, in order to cry or talk or do whatever else women want to do without men invading their privacy.

The article you link says that separate spaces for trans people is not an answer, but it provides no honest argument for that. I think separate spaces are the best possible answer for everybody involved. The majority of buildings in the city already have single use bathrooms somewhere on the property. Those that don't often have private bathrooms for employees that could be opened up to trans people. I'm guessing that would solve most bathroom problems right there frankly. And then obviously I am 100% willing to pay more taxes while we retrofit single use bathrooms in all other locations that are public.

But what I can't understand is why men just want to force women to deal with all the repercussions of violent men invading their spaces.. I just don't get it. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't have any questions, and I already told you that some of our beliefs have commonality of sorts. I'm probably more flexible with them but I acknowledge they're problematic.

The videos you suggested are not so innocent. Helen Joyce doesn't just work for Sex Matters, she left journalism entirely to campaign for them, and they represent a pretty extreme perspective that just happens to be well packaged.

I asked you what you thought of Sex Matters because they're unequivocal in their mission to remove gender from the conversation and reduce the number of trans people as much as possible. Kathleen Stock supports Helen Joyce and that mission.

I respect their intelligence and the way they express their arguments but their rhetorical excellence suggest they know exactly what they're doing and it isn't good. As others have pointed out they aren't sociologists and their expertise isn't in determining the greater good, it's in being convincing. That makes them dangerous.

 

[kflo]

I wrote that in the videos you won't watch even though I read you or link those stats were discussed and there are problems on two fronts. The first is that trans rape yields no results if you search through Google. But if you get creative, you can find all kinds of rape and sexual assault done by trans people. And so it is underreported when trans people do crimes and they are called "men" in the reports. They're called men because they are men.

Now I personally would be very interested in any legitimate series of studies that shows no issues with trans people though because that would change my mind.

But since we are dealing with men who are violent and who rape that is not how it's going to play out because men will continue to act like men even if they say they are women.

The other issue is that they're going back decades when the percentage of trans people was so low as to be nearly statistically insignificant.

That's obviously going to change when a ton of men are now deciding that they are women and since we know men harm women those rates will go up and that's what women don't want. The ease at which you can legally decide you're a woman will also factor into how dangerous these bathroom laws are. In Scotland you can become a woman just by saying so... that's all you have to do. You don't even have to fill out paperwork. Obviously lots of men who really are not trans people will be taking advantage of those ridiculous laws. But they don't have to be that easy of laws in order to encourage malfeasance from abusing them.



It literally has nothing to do with the fact that they're trans. It has to do with the fact that they are men.

That position also ignores the most important point, which is that rape should not be the only consideration for whether or not men are allowed in women's restrooms for lots and lots of reasons that also go back decades and that women have fought for and feminists have fought to gain.

Women should be able to go to women's restrooms in order to have miscarriages in order to get away from leary men in bars and call friends to come get them, in order to cry or talk or do whatever else women want to do without men invading their privacy.

The article you link says that separate spaces for trans people is not an answer, but it provides no honest argument for that. I think separate spaces are the best possible answer for everybody involved. The majority of buildings in the city already have single use bathrooms somewhere on the property. Those that don't often have private bathrooms for employees that could be opened up to trans people. I'm guessing that would solve most bathroom problems right there frankly. And then obviously I am 100% willing to pay more taxes while we retrofit single use bathrooms in all other locations that are public.

But what I can't understand is why men just want to force women to deal with all the repercussions of violent men invading their spaces.. I just don't get it. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

How is this an honest attempt at dialogue when you say “repercussions of violent men invading their spaces”. You completely dismiss this:

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.​

And insist we have “violent men invading their spaces”.

And I told you I already invested over 40 minutes watching your links.

 

[Andy Capp]

I wrote that in the videos you won't watch even though I read you or link those stats were discussed and there are problems on two fronts. The first is that trans rape yields no results if you search through Google. But if you get creative, you can find all kinds of rape and sexual assault done by trans people. And so it is underreported when trans people do crimes and they are called "men" in the reports. They're called men because they are men.

Now I personally would be very interested in any legitimate series of studies that shows no issues with trans people though because that would change my mind.

But since we are dealing with men who are violent and who rape that is not how it's going to play out because men will continue to act like men even if they say they are women.

The other issue is that they're going back decades when the percentage of trans people was so low as to be nearly statistically insignificant.

That's obviously going to change when a ton of men are now deciding that they are women and since we know men harm women those rates will go up and that's what women don't want. The ease at which you can legally decide you're a woman will also factor into how dangerous these bathroom laws are. In Scotland you can become a woman just by saying so... that's all you have to do. You don't even have to fill out paperwork. Obviously lots of men who really are not trans people will be taking advantage of those ridiculous laws. But they don't have to be that easy of laws in order to encourage malfeasance from abusing them.



It literally has nothing to do with the fact that they're trans. It has to do with the fact that they are men.

That position also ignores the most important point, which is that rape should not be the only consideration for whether or not men are allowed in women's restrooms for lots and lots of reasons that also go back decades and that women have fought for and feminists have fought to gain.

Women should be able to go to women's restrooms in order to have miscarriages in order to get away from leary men in bars and call friends to come get them, in order to cry or talk or do whatever else women want to do without men invading their privacy.

The article you link says that separate spaces for trans people is not an answer, but it provides no honest argument for that. I think separate spaces are the best possible answer for everybody involved. The majority of buildings in the city already have single use bathrooms somewhere on the property. Those that don't often have private bathrooms for employees that could be opened up to trans people. I'm guessing that would solve most bathroom problems right there frankly. And then obviously I am 100% willing to pay more taxes while we retrofit single use bathrooms in all other locations that are public.

But what I can't understand is why men just want to force women to deal with all the repercussions of violent men invading their spaces.. I just don't get it. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

If you get creative, yes, no doubt. My point of contention exactly, the creativity. Yet you don't get it. Again, my point made for me.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Lol I quoted you ffs

Maybe you have me mixed up with another poster , how far in the bag are you ?

Oh now you're doing the act dumb routine. Concession accepted

 

[Deleted member 577981]

How is this an honest attempt at dialogue when you say “repercussions of violent men invading their spaces”. You completely dismiss this:

Hundreds of cities, school districts, and 18 states already protect transgender people's right to use restrooms, and none have seen a rise in incidents of people attacking anyone or of people pretending to be transgender in order to get access to restrooms.

Similarly, law enforcement officials and sexual assault advocates in states and cities that already have trans-inclusive policies in place have said over and over: the claim that these policies cause safety problems is absurd and completely false.​

And insist we have “violent men invading their spaces”.

And I told you I already invested over 40 minutes watching your links.

Because men have a propensity for violence. That's just a fact. And that is why we don't want men in women's spaces.

Restating problematic stats I addressed but not addressing what I said is a feature of our discussion.

What I've learned here is that most people don't really want to discuss the issue with any real seriousness.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Oh now you're doing the act dumb routine. Concession accepted

You may be insane

I have no idea what the fuck you are on about

You were wrong , I proved it by pulling up posts from the first bloody page

Would you like more of a beat down ?

Here , have some more ...

Yep. If that was Dylan Mulveiny giving a BJ to some other guy who thinks he is a woman, Joe Biden would be sniffing his hair and giving him a medal.

If she was a drag queen twerking at a school she would be celebrated .. this is nothing pretty, dark theater .. classy to release the footage .. I like her rack

And pointing out Boebert's hypocrisy implies you actually are offended by hypocrisy in general, and you don't.

And you lefties haven't shown you 'care about the impact of sexually suggestive behaviour on kids.'

'Turns out Boebert doesn't give a shit about sexual behavior in the presence of kids, she only cares about the person displaying the behavior.'
Yeah, and you couldn't care less about it either.

Oh, but a Republican Congresswoman feeling up her date, and her date feeling her up. There ya'll are fucking pissed.

Your selective outrage is obvious and comically predictable.

Go ahead , keep insisting that @panamaican was the one who started the trans bullishit on page 32

It's extra satisfying that I found a quote from page four from the chud who liked your shit post , thanks for that

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Go ahead , keep insisting that @panamaican was the one who started the trans bullishit on page 32

It's extra satisfying that I found a quote from page four from the chud who liked your shit post , thanks for that
{anton}

The hell are you talking about. I haven't bothered to click on this thread in over a week and a half because it devolved to general partisan bitching.

I said what I said about the left's acting offended about the right's hypocrisy while completely ignore the hypocrisy on their own side, and left ya'll to endlessly bitch back and forth, as ya'll have for dozens of more pages.... without adequately challenges to my statement about political hypocrisy..

And less than two weeks later a Democrat pulls the fire alarm...

 

[Blayt7hh]

Holy crap this threads getting a ton of replies. I didn’t think there was really much to talk about

 

[ShadowRun]

The hell are you talking about. I haven't bothered to click on this thread in over a week and a half because it devolved to general partisan bitching.

I said what I said about the left's acting offended about the right's hypocrisy while completely ignore the hypocrisy on their own side, and left ya'll to endlessly bitch back and forth, as ya'll have for dozens of more pages.... without adequately challenges to my statement about political hypocrisy..

And less than two weeks later a Democrat pulls the fire alarm...

The dudes weird I got no idea what he's talking about

 

[CatchnShoot]

The hell are you talking about. I haven't bothered to click on this thread in over a week and a half because it devolved to general partisan bitching.

I said what I said about the left's acting offended about the right's hypocrisy while completely ignore the hypocrisy on their own side, and left ya'll to endlessly bitch back and forth, as ya'll have for dozens of more pages.... without adequately challenges to my statement about political hypocrisy..

And less than two weeks later a Democrat pulls the fire alarm...

But we ALL agree that that Democrat should catch a charge, where's Boebert's Lewd behavior citation at?
More to that, I don't remember anybody here even arguing that Lauren catch even a ticket...likely because we all expect her to act like trash ie) She was elected like that, this isn't a revelation.

Are Democrats bitching about a two tiered justice system? Maybe they are, but I haven't seen it. What I have seen is people saying, fuck criminals regardless of what side of the hall they are from...at least in the WR microcosm.

A good friend of mine said to me the other day after reading about the Philly store raids... "They need to start shooting these pieces of shit, that'd put a stop to it". I don't think of him as a particularly far right guy, but y'know things are so hyperbolic at the moment that normally rational folks are losing their shit.

Rubber Bullets, tasers, panic gates locking in place, hell... attack dogs, whatever, I agree it needs to be stopped, but we don't want to live in a shithole where Kroeger has to have armed military style guards that shoot these fucked up kids on sight do we? Shoplifting shouldn't lead to a death sentence should it?

Anyway, my point is that points of disagreement are now treated like invitations to a duel. It's not just America either...it seems like the entire planet is a fucking powder keg atm.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Holy crap this threads getting a ton of replies. I didn’t think there was really much to talk about

Well it's not really about Boebert any longer, it's a generalized vent thread, and rant about Transexuals.

Those freakshows really get some of y'all riled up..which is EXACTLY what the religious right WANTS you to do .

HEY.... LOOK OVER HERE (don't focus on us being petty cunts and shutting down the country) Build your rage, and remember to vote for the party that will kill these abominations!!!!

(Well, not KILL, but if they COULD, yeah that'd be on the list)

 

[Super_Nintendo]

holy shit my weekly ban from this thread is over. i got posting privileges removed and carded cause i talked about trans shit just like everybody else and it was started by others not me, and even a mod asked me about trans stuff and holy fuck people are still talking about it and i don't see any cards. wonder why the mods target some folks and not others.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ual-discussion.4307441/page-18#post-172022272

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But we ALL agree that that Democrat should catch a charge, where's Boebert's Lewd behavior citation at?

AOC doesn't.



As for Boebert not yet getting charged, that's a question for the local prosecutor.

Are Democrats bitching about a two tiered justice system? Maybe they are, but I haven't seen it. What I have seen is people saying, fuck criminals regardless of what side of the hall they are from...at least in the WR microcosm.

They pretend its a black/white race issue, but actually its Soros Prosecutors issue ignoring crimes based on race, while targeting their political opposition for anything and demanding obscene sentences.

If you doubt that, explain how the Proud Boys leader got 20+ years when he wasn't even at the capital riots.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

The hell are you talking about. I haven't bothered to click on this thread in over a week and a half because it devolved to general partisan bitching.

I said what I said about the left's acting offended about the right's hypocrisy while completely ignore the hypocrisy on their own side, and left ya'll to endlessly bitch back and forth, as ya'll have for dozens of more pages.... without adequately challenges to my statement about political hypocrisy..

And less than two weeks later a Democrat pulls the fire alarm...

The dudes weird I got no idea what he's talking about

@ColemanwastheGOAT tried to argue that a mod was the first person to derail this thread with trans crap on page 32 , I used you two to point out that obvious falsehood

Sorry for the confusion....I guess

 

[Blayt7hh]

Well it's not really about Boebert any longer, it's a generalized vent thread, and rant about Transexuals.

Those freakshows really get some of y'all riled up..which is EXACTLY what the religious right WANTS you to do .

HEY.... LOOK OVER HERE (don't focus on us being petty cunts and shutting down the country) Build your rage, and remember to vote for the party that will kill these abominations!!!!

(Well, not KILL, but if they COULD, yeah that'd be on the list)

People sure like to talk about trans people a whole lot. .. I don’t get it it’s not that interesting a topic

 

[fingercuffs]

holy shit my weekly ban from this thread is over. i got posting privileges removed and carded cause i talked about trans shit just like everybody else and it was started by others not me, and even a mod asked me about trans stuff and holy fuck people are still talking about it and i don't see any cards. wonder why the mods target some folks and not others.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ual-discussion.4307441/page-18#post-172022272

I, for one, am extremely perplexed with your situation. I would feel so perplexed. Have you been taking your vitamins? Stayed hydrated?

 

[kflo]

Because men have a propensity for violence. That's just a fact. And that is why we don't want men in women's spaces.

Restating problematic stats I addressed but not addressing what I said is a feature of our discussion.

What I've learned here is that most people don't really want to discuss the issue with any real seriousness.

Sorry don’t appeal to some “we”. You don’t.

you want a discussion on your own terms. You reject information or positions that don’t align with yours. You call trans women dudes and he.

when your friends come over do you warn your wife that violent men will be invading your house soon? Are you scared when you use the restroom sharing it with violent men? Are we all just violent animals?

Again you want to discuss the issue seriously? Like I’ve said, I have 2 teenage daughters and a wife. This “invasion” isn’t happening. I’ve never heard of a single incident, no less an invasion. But your “honest” dialogue insists violent “men” are invading. It’s nonsense. As is you representing the bathroom as some private social club.

If you want to really discuss, as you claim to, do so without the intentional language meant to demonize individuals who just want to use the bathroom and leave. You want to rebuild cities based on fear, not based on what’s actually happening or what’s in peoples best interest. And if you want to tell women and girls they are being invaded by violent men, that’s really not a good faith starting point.

would you criminalize a trans woman using the woman’s room?

 

[Damien Karras]

A Lauren Boebert acting indecent in public thread turned into a tranny thread. Good to see Sherdog is alive and well