Social Lauren Boebert theater pocket pool and transexual discussion

[Deleted member 577981]

@kflo you have only responded to less than 50% of what i write. you discuss in bad faith. this will be a short exchange because you are a bad actor.

i am for

transgender rights to transition
be protected from violence
protected from discrimination in the workplace, for getting loans, buying homes, renting apparptments, getting placement in colleges.
their right to be called trans men or trans women. (unless they cry racism and weakness and fragility when a group doesn't agree with them).
all single use restrooms to be made gender neutral
all employee restrooms opened up to trans people for use
tax funded third spaces ie restrooms, locker rooms, prisons, shelters etc
serious diologue and questioning of the entire premise promoted by many trans activists philosophically and statistically and legally and socially and psychologically. lots of problems are not being addressed due to instant and often violent protests when anyone says anything at all that is not in full step with trans activists.


i am against
--self ID and laws that are similar that make claiming to be transgender too easy with no burden of proof of sincerity. a process that requires the signature of a psychologist backing claims of trans people needs to be put into place and that needs to take a decent amount of time to go through. cannot and should not be a whim. must make a real attempt to "pass" as transgender.



-- affirmative care.
--men in womens prisons
--men in womens shelters
--men in womens sports teams
--men in womens changing rooms

--men getting subsidies and entitlements that are meant for women ie the uk requires a certain number of women are represented in corporate boards and government positions. men should not get those positions or available funding.

i am against men who decide to be women being called "women". that designation is already taken. they cannot have the terms male or female or man or woman and i reject the cis label outright. the hypocrisy of a group demanding that their pronouns are respected and then designating and changing mine is impossible to support.

i am against calling bigotry and racism every single time someone does not go along with every single view and position of trans rights activists. this means you Kflo.

i am against linguistic and philosophical attempts to obfuscate the biological differences and distinctions between men and women in our language and our thinking.

 

[kflo]

@kflo you have only responded to less than 50% of what i write. you discuss in bad faith. this will be a short exchange because you are a bad actor.

i am for

transgender rights to transition
be protected from violence
protected from discrimination in the workplace, for getting loans, buying homes, renting apparptments, getting placement in colleges.
their right to be called trans men or trans women. (unless they cry racism and weakness and fragility when a group doesn't agree with them).
all single use restrooms to be made gender neutral
all employee restrooms opened up to trans people for use
tax funded third spaces ie restrooms, locker rooms, prisons, shelters etc
serious diologue and questioning of the entire premise promoted by many trans activists philosophically and statistically and legally and socially and psychologically. lots of problems are not being addressed due to instant and often violent protests when anyone says anything at all that is not in full step with trans activists.


i am against
--self ID and laws that are similar that make claiming to be transgender too easy with no burden of proof of sincerity. a process that requires the signature of a psychologist backing claims of trans people needs to be put into place and that needs to take a decent amount of time to go through. cannot and should not be a whim. must make a real attempt to "pass" as transgender.



-- affirmative care.
--men in womens prisons
--men in womens shelters
--men in womens sports teams
--men in womens changing rooms

--men getting subsidies and entitlements that are meant for women ie the uk requires a certain number of women are represented in corporate boards and government positions. men should not get those positions or available funding.

i am against men who decide to be women being called "women". that designation is already taken. they cannot have the terms male or female or man or woman and i reject the cis label outright. the hypocrisy of a group demanding that their pronouns are respected and then designation and changing mine is impossible to support.

i am against calling bigotry and racism every single time someone does not go along with every single view and position of trans rights activists. this means you Kflo.

i am against linguistic and philosophical attempts to obfuscate the biological differences and distinctions between men and women in our language and our thinking.

Again, your insistence on simply calling them men says it all about how you feel. You’re entitled to feel that way. Just know they don’t consider you an advocate or on their side in any way.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Again, your insistence on simply calling them men says it all about how you feel. You’re entitled to feel that way. Just know they don’t consider you an advocate or on their side in any way.

i want everyone to notice that kflo just contradicted my own post he quoted as usual. i only insist on misgendering trans people IF they call white women racist weak and fragile if they dont want to play sports with men who want to be women.

kflo is a perfect example of the new left. unless you are in lockstep with them 100% you must be a bigot. #nodebate.

 

[kflo]

i want everyone to notice that kflo just contradicted my own post he quoted as usual. i only insist on misgendering trans people IF they call white women racist weak and fragile if they dont want to play sports with men who want to be women.

kflo is a perfect example of the new left. unless you are in lockstep with them 100% you must be a bigot. #nodebate.

Lol. You literally just made an entire post, that I quoted, only using the term “men” in bullet points about where trans women are welcome. Don’t try to claim that’s misrepresented.

I didn’t use the word bigot and what I said was true. Maybe you should address my words and not make up what I’m saying.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Lol. You literally just made an entire post, that I quoted, only using the term “men” in bullet points about where trans women are welcome. Don’t try to claim that’s misrepresented.

I didn’t use the word bigot and what I said was true. Maybe you should address my words and not make up what I’m saying.

they are men... as i have said. i will not misgender a specific person in preson but i am not going to pretend men are not men when discussing the proclivities of men is central to the issue at hand. men rape, men abuse and men are predatory towards women. its helpful and essential in this context to keep everyone straight about what biology we are discussing.

 

[kflo]

they are men... as i have said. i will not misgender a specific person in preson but i am not going to pretend men are not men when discussing the proclivities of men is central to the issue at hand. men rape, men abuse and men are predatory towards women. its helpful and essential in this context to keep everyone straight about what biology we are discussing.

You mean the proclivities of rapists. Men don’t randomly rape women. Rapists do. Do you have evidence rapists are more likely to rape women because trans women have access to women’s spaces?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You mean the proclivities of rapists. Men don’t randomly rape women. Rapists do. Do you have evidence rapists are more likely to rape women because trans women have access to women’s spaces?

yes but MEN rape at a much higher rate than women so we say that men rape.

there is evidence that trans people who are men rape MORE than men who are not trans within prison populations in the united states and great brittian. 50% of men in united states prisons who are trans have sexual assault on their records... its 58% in great brittian.

and this is where we part ways because rather than discuss the bulk of my points you just play stupid question games and dont contribute to intelligent discussion.

#nodebate

 

[kflo]

yes but MEN rape at a much higher rate than women so we say that men rape.

there is evidence that trans people who are men rape MORE than men who are not trans within prison populations in the united states and great brittian. 50% of men in united states prisons who are trans have sexual assault on their records... its 58% in great brittian.

and this is where we part ways because rather than discuss the bulk of my points you just play stupid question games and dont contribute to intelligent discussion.

#nodebate

You’re avoiding the question. Does rape increase because trans women have access to womens spaces. Is there evidence. Do you at least acknowledge that random rapes are from rapists, and not “men”. It’s not because we are men that we randomly rape. Rapists randomly rape. Access to women’s spaces only increases rape if rapists are more likely to rape because of this. Is this true? Is there evidence? Is this the only “rape” scenario we need to address?


You’re hopefully aware that men working in women’s prison has had many multiples more rapes and sexual assaults as trans women in womens spaces. I’m sure there’s a long list of situations that result in a higher likelihood of sexual assault and rape than trans women in womens spaces. But…..yeah…..

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You’re avoiding the question. Does rape increase because trans women have access to womens spaces. Is there evidence. Do you at least acknowledge that random rapes are from rapists, and not “men”. It’s not because we are men that we randomly rape. Rapists randomly rape. Access to women’s spaces only increases rape if rapists are more likely to rape because of this. Is this true? Is there evidence? Is this the only “rape” scenario we need to address?


You’re hopefully aware that men working in women’s prison has had many multiples more rapes and sexual assaults as trans women in womens spaces. I’m sure there’s a long list of situations that result in a higher likelihood of sexual assault and rape than trans women in womens spaces. But…..yeah…..

you are avoiding addressing nearly 50% of what i write in bad faith you mean.

 

[kflo]

you are avoiding addressing nearly 50% of what i write in bad faith you mean.

This question is literally central to your entire position that we need to evict trans women from womens spaces and create a new space for trans women and men. Central to your entire “violent men invading women’s spaces” position.

The other part really addresses whether you’re real interest is protecting women….

 

[Deleted member 577981]

This question is literally central to your entire position that we need to evict trans women from womens spaces and create a new space for trans women and men. Central to your entire “violent men invading women’s spaces” position.

go back and address the 50% of my posts and positions that you ignored and ill be willing to discuss more with you.

otherwise gtfo.

 

[kflo]

go back and address the 50% of my posts and positions that you ignored and ill be willing to discuss more with you.

otherwise gtfo.

I addressed your question on ivy and got crickets.

Again, my questions to you are fundamental to your entire position. And should be easy to answer.

 

[evansusmc2]

After reading that? Lol. Go fuck yourself. Empathy is a terrible trait to pass to kids…..

you can “lol and lol to the lol” all day. Means nothing.

Listen dude (ma’am?)…. Empathy for a bunch of delusional dorks that are converting themselves into life long medical patients is never gonna be a good thing for any kids, our future, and obviously themselves.

Gonna train BJJ tomorrow and most likely one of my doctor buddies will be there. I’ll transcribe his words about this tomorrow in this thread. It’s pretty eye opening for our future.

 

[evansusmc2]

it’s absolutely true.

Taking the word “obsessed” and using it (well… to side-step) for this subject is giving it a whole different definition. Don’t believe me? Open a dictionary and read it.

 

[AWilder]

When in doubt…. Just start blurting out “oh dey is obsessed! It’s all obsession and obsessed and stuff!”

just ridiculous.

Yes you sure proved you guys aren't obsessed by bringing up trans people in a Lauren Boebert thread...

 

[kflo]

you can “lol and lol to the lol” all day. Means nothing.

Listen dude (ma’am?)…. Empathy for a bunch of delusional dorks that are converting themselves into life long medical patients is never gonna be a good thing for any kids, our future, and obviously themselves.

Gonna train BJJ tomorrow and most likely one of my doctor buddies will be there. I’ll transcribe his words about this tomorrow in this thread. It’s pretty eye opening for our future.

the unbelievable amount of hubris some of you seem to have suggesting you know what's in the best interest of these individuals compared to their own families and medical and health care professionals. it's fascinating to see. and while being aggressively obnoxious too.

i'm sure your one doctor buddy is the preeminent expert on the topic.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Taking the word “obsessed” and using it (well… to side-step) for this subject is giving it a whole different definition. Don’t believe me? Open a dictionary and read it.

You might have to give up man. These guys live in a bubble. I've watched countless interviews of parents and doctors decrying the medical fields approach to this topic and taking the position that we are butchering children without ever really finding out if that's what they really need or want. In many places, affirmative care doesn't even question the choice of a child who wants to transition they're not allowed to.

The fact that the vast majority of these are young women who are prone to social contagions, but that there is nowhere near an equal amount of older women deciding to transition tells us something other than being born in the wrong body is amiss.

Comorbidities are often not even delved into or dealt with before deciding if they change their minds once their depression or their autism or their anorexia or their drug addiction or being abused sexually at home plays a part in them rejecting their own bodies.

The rabbid violent and punitive reaction of transactivists towards anyone who dares to speak out is keeping people quiet when otherwise they would speak about their opinions on these matters and that goes for doctors, scholars and scientists.

I just watched on triggernometry the podcast, a woman who made a film about this very problem. Children being transitioned without adequate diagnosis and research being done to find comorbidities and she didn't even dare to show her face due to threats of violence that would come if she revealed her identity just for having an opinion that some kids are really being hurt by the medical industrial complex on this matter.

The left is so arrogant and think they are so right that they actually feel comfortable labeling someone bigot just because they disagree. The fact that Kathleen Stock lost her tenured position due to just questioning the philosophical underpinnings of the transactivist movement proves it is a rabid detestable group of people who ultimately are authoritarians and fascists. They also lie about her position publicly and have never said a true word about her to the public.

Sadly, these trans activists and left fascists don't even speak for the trans community. The community itself has not even given these people permission to speak for them. It's not like there was a vote... You can find plenty of trans people who do not want to use other people's bathrooms who do not believe they are really men or really women and who do not think that they should be in women's sports or men's sports or prisons or shelters and who do not want to take funding from women.

 

[kflo]

You might have to give up man. These guys live in a bubble. I've watched countless interviews of parents and doctors decrying the medical fields approach to this topic and taking the position that we are butchering children without ever really finding out if that's what they really need or want. In many places, affirmative care doesn't even question the choice of a child who wants to transition they're not allowed to.

The fact that the vast majority of these are young women who are prone to social contagions, but that there is nowhere near an equal amount of older women deciding to transition tells us something other than being born in the wrong body is amiss.

Comorbidities are often not even delved into or dealt with before deciding if they change their minds once their depression or their autism or their anorexia or their drug addiction or being abused sexually at home plays a part in them rejecting their own bodies.

The rabbid violent and punitive reaction of transactivists towards anyone who dares to speak out is keeping people quiet when otherwise they would speak about their opinions on these matters and that goes for doctors, scholars and scientists.

I just watched on triggernometry the podcast, a woman who made a film about this very problem. Children being transitioned without adequate diagnosis and research being done to find comorbidities and she didn't even dare to show her face due to threats of violence that would come if she revealed her identity just for having an opinion that some kids are really being hurt by the medical industrial complex on this matter.

The left is so arrogant and think they are so right that they actually feel comfortable labeling someone bigot just because they disagree. The fact that Kathleen Stock lost her tenured position due to just questioning the philosophical underpinnings of the transactivist movement proves it is a rabid detestable group of people who ultimately are authoritarians and fascists. They also lie about her position publicly and have never said a true word about her to the public.

Sadly, these trans activists and left fascists don't even speak for the trans community. The community itself has not even given these people permission to speak for them. It's not like there was a vote... You can find plenty of trans people who do not want to use other people's bathrooms who do not believe they are really men or really women and who do not think that they should be in women's sports or men's sports or prisons or shelters and who do not want to take funding from women.

No one called you a bigot. But you are a hostile actor against them and against their wants. That’s just true. Pretending here that you’re the one on their side and represent their wants and views is laughable. You use inflammatory rhetoric (violent men invading) and derogatory language (dude, he, men). You’re not on their side. You’re on the other side. Which you’re entitled to.

Again I asked you to back up your views that you suggest are based on statistical fact but you don’t seem to want to answer.

I’ll ask again. Are rapists more likely to rape random people because trans women have access to womens spaces and is there evidence this is happening.

And do multiples more rapes actually happen at the hands of prison employees than from trans women?

 

[CatchnShoot]

you are avoiding addressing nearly 50% of what i write in bad faith you mean.

Tbf, you are very ranty and your thoughts tend to meander, so if anybody actually wanted to respond to ALL of your thoughts they’d be at it all day and have to compose a tome nobody here would read.

Moreover, generally if somebody doesn’t have an issue with a particular portion of your rant, why would they address that point? You want kudos for not being ALL wacky?

Ok.... pretend he prefaced his response with this. “You make some valid points, but you also say some things that would be considered highly offensive to trans people, such as...”

To me, I think you’re both interesting and generally positive posters, so don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking you.


To the point...would YOU fuck Boebert in a dirty bathroom stall? I’d make a poll if I could

 

[kflo]

Tbf, you are very ranty and your thoughts tend to meander, so if anybody actually wanted to respond to ALL of your thoughts they’d be at it all day and have to compose a tome nobody here would read.

Moreover, generally if somebody doesn’t have an issue with a particular portion of your rant, why would they address that point? You want kudos for not being ALL wacky?

Ok.... pretend he prefaced his response with this. “You make some valid points, but you also say some things that would be considered highly offensive to trans people, such as...”

To me, I think you’re both interesting and generally positive posters, so don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking you.


To the point...would YOU fuck Boebert in a dirty bathroom stall? I’d make a poll if I could

How dirty?