Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Cubo de Sangre]

Nothing sells guns and parts like a mass shooting.

Aka fear of knee-jerk political reactions by ignorant fools lacking appreciation for their civil liberties.

 

[faustian]

Thanks dude. That makes sense in that of course full auto is unusual. It's been taxed and cock-blocked since 1934. Nothing like doubling the price of a gun to deter access to select-fire functionality. Additionally, it makes sense that more and more guns would have greater varieties of specialization as to purpose. So something useful could be less common. The difference between relying on one crescent wrench vs. a nice set of sockets.

Bearing by militias would certainly imply in public. They are, after all, a public service.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Basically to keep arms is to possess them in your home and to bear them is to possess them on your person outside your home. If you're bearing arms it should be for the purpose of bringing them from your home for militia duty.

Of course there's been disagreement about this rationale but it's the line of reasoning that makes the most sense to me

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Aka fear of knee-jerk political reactions by ignorant fools lacking appreciation for their civil liberties.

My favorite part is how many will end up being sold to felons on armslist later lol.

But hey I should have made money off the 500 casualties and invested in bumpfire stocks lol.

 

[Robert Baratheon]

Now it turns out he used a bump stock to achieve close to full auto fire on like 10 different guns, why didn't he just purchase an LMG?
I know they are able to be purchased from a gun store (in michigan anyway) and would have been much more suited for what he was doing I.E volume over accuracy from a fixed shooting platform. Are the restrictions extreme on that sort of weapon apposed to a civilian AR?

I'm from the UK and my 2 cent regarding gun control, hunting is a big sport in America and the wildlife can be pretty dangerous in rural parts. America I'd far to vast and covers to many climates to blanket ban. Bears and wolves barley exist in western Europe now but still feature heavily in American wildlife.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Basically to keep arms is to possess them in your home and to bear them is to possess them on your person outside your home. If you're bearing arms it should be for the purpose of bringing them from your home for militia duty.

Of course there's been disagreement about this rationale but it's the line of reasoning that makes the most sense to me

It makes sense. Some dude here thinks regulated meant to keep your firearm clean lol.

Remember that dummy who got killed by his teenage daughter with the uzi on the gun range?

She regulated his ass.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Now it turns out he used a bump stock to achieve close to full auto fire on like 10 different guns, why didn't he just purchase an LMG?
I know they are able to be purchased from a gun store (in michigan anyway) and would have been much more suited for what he was doing I.E volume over accuracy from a fixed shooting platform. Are the restrictions extreme on that sort of weapon apposed to a civilian AR?

I'm from the UK and my 2 cent regarding gun control, hunting is a big sport in America and the wildlife can be pretty dangerous in rural parts. America I'd far to vast and covers to many climates to blanket ban. Bears and wolves barley exist in western Europe now but still feature heavily in American wildlife.

The closest and most afforable I know is a century arms semi auto RPK.. Last I saw they ran about $700.

He ran numerous AR platforms which did just as much damage. According to several people ITT, he would have done just as much damage with a 10 round rifle so apparently the rifle doesn't matter whatsoever.

 

[ens189]

The closest and most afforable I know is a century arms semi auto RPK.. Last I saw they ran about $700.

He ran numerous AR platforms which did just as much damage. According to several people ITT, he would have done just as much damage with a 10 round rifle so apparently the rifle doesn't matter whatsoever.

A purchase like that would’ve raised many more flags than what he did.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

If you're bearing arms it should be for the purpose of bringing them from your home for militia duty.

Of course there's been disagreement about this rationale but it's the line of reasoning that makes the most sense to me

First, there isn't necessarily "militia duty". People getting together to provide some type of common defense is a grass roots concept. Second, you can't be well regulated without equipment and practice. If you're supposed to show up to the militia with an arm wouldn't it be highly preferred you could wield it effectively? Lastly, it's an impediment to militia forming if everyone needs to first scatter in order to get their equipment (i.e. guns from home).

Beyond that, personal self-defense is clearly a Constitutional right (regardless of anything involving militias). Let's call it the 10th Amendment. Unless someone can show how the Constitution grants permission to illegalize self-defense or persona firearms ownership I'm pretty sure it's as protected as the right to an abortion. Self-defense is as fundamental as privacy.

My favorite part is how many will end up being sold to felons on armslist later lol.

But hey I should have made money off the 500 casualties and invested in bumpfire stocks lol.

Felons buy guns?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Felons buy guns?

Oh I love when it happens. Check armslist three months from now. A lot of NRA puppets parrot that there is no loophole, but hull p2p sales are perfect. Easily scared Americans are perfect to keep guns in the hands of felons, after every mass shooting gun sales go up, after three months from now you can find a lot of those on sale once their "the guvment gonna take muh AK" wears off.

I said it before, Mass shootings are part and parcel of living in America. It's hard to feel bad at this point. 500 casualties are just the cost of your "freedoms", you see that girl with the back of her head blown out? A martyr for the second amendment she was.

 

[faustian]

It makes sense. Some dude here thinks regulated meant to keep your firearm clean lol.

Remember that dummy who got killed by his teenage daughter with the uzi on the gun range?

She regulated his ass.

There's only one definition of regulate which I will ever acknowledge

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Oh I love when it happens. Check armslist three months from now. A lot of NRA puppets parrot that there is no loophole, but hull p2p sales are perfect. Easily scared Americans are perfect to keep guns in the hands of felons, after every mass shooting gun sales go up, after three months from now you can find a lot of those on sale once their "the guvment gonna take muh AK" wears off.

I said it before, Mass shootings are part and parcel of living in America. It's hard to feel bad at this point. 500 casualties are just the cost of your "freedoms", you see that girl with the back of her head blown out? A martyr for the second amendment she was.

Lobby your state to to enact background checks on private sales. There's no argument for federal authority to legislate them unless we're extending the meaning of regulating commerce among the states to mean each and every individual non-commercial private transaction. And at that point it means the feds can logically control practically everything so that's probably a shit tier interpretation of interstate commerce.

I don't think she's a martyr since there was no self-sacrifice. I think she's a victim of crime. Does that make a difference to you?

 

[HIMBOB]

Right after you stop beating your wife.

Don't be pissy and embarrassed. It was my pleasure to have helped educate you.

 

[Robert Baratheon]

The closest and most afforable I know is a century arms semi auto RPK.. Last I saw they ran about $700.

He ran numerous AR platforms which did just as much damage. According to several people ITT, he would have done just as much damage with a 10 round rifle so apparently the rifle doesn't matter whatsoever.

The ones I saw when visiting were around $50k and looked pretty modern, was curious as to the restrictions on that sort of firepower. apart from collectors i cant see the practicality of hunting, target practice or home defence for something used by the military for suppressing fire.
have the stats been released regarding gun to stampede related deaths? I'm probably being caught up on the weapon damage when the panic probably caused just as much, if not more casualties.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Don't be pissy and embarrassed. It was my pleasure to have helped educate you.

 

[faustian]

First, there isn't necessarily "militia duty". People getting together to provide some type of common defense is a grass roots concept. Second, you can't be well regulated without equipment and practice. If you're supposed to show up to the militia with an arm wouldn't it be highly preferred you could wield it effectively? Lastly, it's an impediment to militia forming if everyone needs to first scatter in order to get their equipment (i.e. guns from home).

None of this conflicts with the general principle I posted. If the purpose of bearing the military weapon is for militia related activity then it would be contradictory to prohibit said possession. "Militia duty" can be interpreted somewhat broadly here.

Beyond that, personal self-defense is clearly a Constitutional right (regardless of anything involving militias). Let's call it the 10th Amendment. Unless someone can show how the Constitution grants permission to illegalize self-defense or persona firearms ownership I'm pretty sure it's as protected as the right to an abortion. Self-defense is as fundamental as privacy.

I agree with the sentiment, but it is an interpretation. It's not explicitly stated in the language of the 2nd A. It almost seems like the drafters of the 2nd A were being deliberately ambiguous.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The language is weird because there's an operative clause stating the right (right of citizens to keep and bear Arms) but before that there's a clause justifying the purpose of the right (a regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state)

So there's disagreement over whether the operative clause is conditional on the justification clause, i.e. are you only allowed to have guns for militias

Again, I agree with you, that guns should be allowed for individual self-defense. Thankfully, we're not the only ones who feel this way as this has become the majority interpretation. But the ambiguity exists because of the language which means there will always be argument over the right to keep and bear arms

EDIT: And to make clear, cause I kinda got off track from the point of my original post, there's a distinction between guns commonly used for self-defense and military weaponry. This is where the keep vs bear question comes into play: when it involves military weaponry.

 

[AVX]

The way I feel about it is if there were ever a time to preserve the 2nd Amendment it's right now. The way things have been escalating recently I'll be damned if I support any legislation to confiscate anyones firearms. We still don't have a motive, but hell we may have seen the first shots of a larger conflict, we just don't know yet.

 

[ShadowRun]

Yea Kimmel coming from a self righteous DB classic liberal cookie cutter. His tears means his policy idea's should be put into action. How is he allowed just to sprout out "fake news" about what Donald Trump signed and things like that and get away with it. You know how many people are going to buy what he said and not look twice...

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I'm sorry to hear that. Self-defense and communication are fundamental. A society where you can only communicate and defend yourself as per government instruction doesn't sound like the pinnacle of success. I don't believe my neighbor should have atom bombs or nukes, and I believe the Constitution needs amended to state that. Laws need adapted as technology adapts.

Come visit me in Hawaii and we'll go to the range. If you don't understand the sporting appeal I'll be shocked. I understand the scary part. That's human nature. What overcomes that is a little familiarity. With familiarity comes understanding.

Where in the states have you visited?

Maybe we trust our government more I guess? Aussies are pretty laid back (New Zealanders even more so). Being where we are I guess it's easier to be chill. Not that we can avoid world politics, we always back the US but we are strong trading partners with China so that may cause issues down the line, but I digress.

I get the sporting part of shooting I think, I just don't get the requirement for the really big weaponry, I've already said that though. Hawaii does sound like fun though! I was actually meant to go there for a work conference this Jan but it got switched to Japan.

I work for a US firm, and I'll tell you right now the one thing I wasn't bringing up at our regional conference was Donald Trump. One guy did when we were having a few drinks after work and yeah, the US guy got a bit offended and fair enough, i stayed right out of it. I understand when foreigners talking about your domestic politics would piss you off, it did when Zack De La Rocha did that when I saw RATM but eh. The thing is US domestic politics often affect us Aussies as we are allies so we definitely need to take notice I think.

I've done the NY, Vegas and LA stints, went to Miami, Boston, Washington DC, San diego.. My favourite was Texas though, did San Antonio, Houston, Dallas and Austin, Austin is a great city, shitloads of fun. Work that out, I love Texas and I hate guns ha ha. The Texans are a lot like country Aussies I reckon, i could relate.

 

[HIMBOB]

So back to playing stupid?

 

[HIMBOB]

Before he broke the window and started shooting, did he break any laws?

Can anyone name specific ones?