Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Deleted member 429137]

They don't show enemy combatants or civilian deaths

What would that mean if they did?

 

[Avon]

Really? Just to mention a few examples.

https://www.salon.com/2015/07/07/th..._masculinity_are_poisoning_america_in_tandem/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...turn-into-lone-wolves/?utm_term=.a8c8a114f167

Yes, really! All the articles point out is the growing number of White men that feel detached and angry with the world for justified or unjustified reasons and the potential dangers they pose. Truth be told, I think it's true, but there's not much we can do about it other than diffuse tensions. I can't imagine how they could tackle it. But if it's a Muslim? Every single time there's outcries for banning and profiling them. I'd bet a good number of people even here in TWR support forced deportations. They're not the same thing at all.

 

[Treeloy]

I just watched the brothers interview and he comes off as an actor. Sorry but he does.

He gives me the same vibe I got from Gene Rosen at Sandy Hook. The guy is not telling the truth

I cant be the only one who noticed?

 

[gtm3]

I just watched the brothers interview and he comes off as an actor. Sorry but he does.

He gives me the same vibe I got from Gene Rosen at Sandy Hook. The guy is not telling the truth

I cant be the only one who noticed?

You should share with the WR your views on Sandy Hook. I'm sure they would be absolutely enlightening.

 

[Treeloy]

You should share with the WR your views on Sandy Hook. I'm sure they would be absolutely enlightening.

I already have.

 

[floivanus]

I just watched the brothers interview and he comes off as an actor. Sorry but he does.

He gives me the same vibe I got from Gene Rosen at Sandy Hook. The guy is not telling the truth

I cant be the only one who noticed?

Meh I'm not into the Sandy hook CTs; if you want something fishy look at Tom Mauser, father of a columbine victim, who quit his job to speak out against the tec-9 that killed his son, guy didn't work for years.

Only problem was according to official accounts his son was killed by the hi-point carbine. Which was pointed out to him several times, but he keeps going back to the Tec-9

A shooting that happened with straw purchasers (illegal, supposed to be a ten year minimum sentence) and during the AWB, with a bunch of ten round magazines

 

[Rav1nHunter]

What would that mean if they did?

? Not sure what you are asking

 

[Deleted member 429137]

? Not sure what you are asking

I guess I don't understand the point of your initial response to me. He's comparing the amount of Americans killed in one day at Vegas to the amount of Americans killed iin pitched battles between armies from the revolutionary war to the biggest battle in Iraq, circa 2004. I was startled to see the numbers compared. It sounds like you're saying it's a flawed comparison...?

 

[floivanus]

I guess I don't understand the point of your initial response to me. He's comparing the amount of Americans killed in one day at Vegas to the amount of Americans killed iin pitched battles between armies from the revolutionary war to the biggest battle in Iraq, circa 2004. I was startled to see the numbers compared. It sounds like you're saying it's a flawed comparison...?

It's flawed because you are trying to act like you are passing off casualties across the board, instead we are picking casualties of US troops, versus a total in a shooting. When you tally in total battle casualties the numbers are much higher

 

[sweede]

A very reasonable post. From what I gather, correct me If I'm wrong, the gun culture is too ingrained in the USA so the problem is very complex. Whatever you do, someone's "rights" are violated. One only needs to read some of the discussions on the internet to come to this conclusion. You don't have these kinds of discussions in other countries with stricter gun control and where you ALSO don't have the cultural brainwashing where having a gun is cool and people nerd out to it, to say it in simple terms.

Exactly. Is it really impossible to make a radical change? Or are the politician craving for power, afraid of NRA and what they will do if you open your mouth addressing the apparent issue with having the same amount of guns as your total population?

Why do NRA have so much power? Why are they allowed to donate 25 million dollar for Trump campaign? Where is the fair deal with this?

 

[sweede]

There's already plenty of restrictions on gun ownership in the US.

The scope of what is out there in private hands is staggering how do you account for collecting 300+ million guns (not counting kit builds, curio and relics, homemade, GI bring backs, ones smuggled across the border, etc) and what metric do you use to figure you are 'done' collecting them all?

Restrictions there might be. But apparently it differs from state to state. To modify the rifle so it become full automatic is indeed allowed in some states.

But how do you justify your current president for allowing mentally ill people to purchase guns?

I keep hearing America first, America is great. But why is there deep iinside of many americans a mistrust of the state? What is the cause of this ambivalent realationship with your own country?

 

[Ruprecht]

Exactly. Is it really impossible to make a radical change? Or are the politician craving for power, afraid of NRA and what they will do if you open your mouth adressing the apparent issue with having same amount of guns as your total population?

Why do NRA have so much power? Why are they allowed to donate 250 million dollar for Trump campaign? Where is the fair deal with this?

They'd have to turn their backs on the idea of firearms for regular self defence, and then have the law abiding population unarmed while instituting whatever form of deproliferation they chose. I don't think the political or popular will is there for that.
They are sleeping in the bed they made centuries ago.

 

[Gregolian]

But how do you justify your current president for allowing mentally ill people to purchase guns?

While I get the law that restricted the ability for the mentally ill to get guns was needed (the one that was repealed) it also made it hard for anyone that was collecting a Social Security check just for being old on that list as well is my understanding.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

It's flawed because you are trying to act like you are passing off casualties across the board, instead we are picking casualties of US troops, versus a total in a shooting. When you tally in total battle casualties the numbers are much higher

The essential idea is to compare the numbers of dead Americans. Once you start including non-Americans, there's no comparison. This is the very essence of comparisons.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

god bless Ben Shapiro. I don't always agree with him, but he at least brings a little sanity to these discussions.

I tried watching but when he declares that " liberals want to confiscate your guns , they say they don't but they do " he lost me

He's not a mind reader but he plays one on TV

 

[HomeRun916]

Oh I love when it happens. Check armslist three months from now. A lot of NRA puppets parrot that there is no loophole, but hull p2p sales are perfect. Easily scared Americans are perfect to keep guns in the hands of felons, after every mass shooting gun sales go up, after three months from now you can find a lot of those on sale once their "the guvment gonna take muh AK" wears off.

I said it before, Mass shootings are part and parcel of living in America. It's hard to feel bad at this point. 500 casualties are just the cost of your "freedoms", you see that girl with the back of her head blown out? A martyr for the second amendment she was.

You don’t deserve the ability to post your shitty opinions on the internet.

But it’s your right, and I am ok with that. If you get hit by a bus, I won’t lose any sleep over it.

 

[floivanus]

Restrictions there might be. But apparently it differs from state to state. To modify the rifle so it become full automatic is indeed allowed in some states.

But how do you justify your current president for allowing mentally ill people to purchase guns?

I keep hearing America first, America is great. But why is there deep iinside of many americans a mistrust of the state? What is the cause of this ambivalent realationship with your own country?

In EVERY state it is legal for an 02/07 SOT with a Law enforcement letter and ATF approval to convert weapons to full auto, a bumpski, bump fire stock, slide fire etc ARE NOT modifying anything to do with the mechanism, federal law states one bullet per function of the trigger, you can bumpfire without the stocks even.

Trump removed Obama's EO disqualifying any SSI/retirement receiptiants who had someone else handling their finances from gun ownership. To find someone mentally lacking based on them not handling their own finances is a breach of due process. If you want to adjudicate them mentally ill, do so properly, or don't be surprised if that sets a precedent you won't like.

 

[floivanus]

I tried watching but when he declares that " liberals want to confiscate your guns , they say they don't but they do " he lost me

He's not a mind reader but he plays one on TV

New york city enacted a registry on guns, you had to declare what you had, then one day they started sending out letters to anybody who owned guns that could conceivably take more rounds than they wanted you to have (basically anything but revolvers can be modified to take more) the letter said 'turn them into law enforcement OR get them out of the city. What a handy bit of legislation it was to 'register' what you had with the state.

Also the left does love the Australian model which was a mandatory buy back (confiscation) but they cite 'we won't take all your guns, just certain guns' conservatives point out the fact that they ban certain guns, but not others with the same mechanism. The AR15 vs mini 14 was cited earlier as an example and called a strawman. Very similar guns, rotating bolt, gas operated. Yet one is okay cuz it looks fine... for now

 

[Lord_Impaler]

New york city enacted a registry on guns, you had to declare what you had, then one day they started sending out letters to anybody who owned guns that could conceivably take more rounds than they wanted you to have (basically anything but revolvers can be modified to take more) the letter said 'turn them into law enforcement OR get them out of the city. What a handy bit of legislation it was to 'register' what tou had with the state.

Also the left does love the Australian model which was a mandatory but back (confiscation) but they cite 'we won't take all your guns, just certain guns' conservatives point out the fact that they ban certain guns, but not others with the same mechanism. The AR15 vs mini 14 was cited earlier as an example and called a strawman. Very similar guns, rotating bolt, gas operated. Yet one is okay cuz it looks fine... for now

In Massachusetts ar/ak platforms were just made illegal........but if you're looking for a full size battle rifle you can still buy an m1a.

Lol, flawless logic.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

wow you're a low life

So Bill O Reilly was wrong?

Seconded. To be resigned to the belief that this sort of thing is a consequence of freedom is abhorrent.

Literally referencing ol Billy old chap.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash...reilly-las-vegas-massacre-the-downside-of-am/