Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Rational Poster]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, heller v DC said it was an individual right, the right of the people, not a militia. The militia act passed in 1790 something (IIRC) kept that the militia was EVERY man of able body, and that well regulated crap? Means in good working order, in olde tymee english

If the supreme court less than a decade ago found that the 2nd is an individual right, then why act like it isn't?

Because the Constitution is a living document and it's opened to be questioned and changed if we agree to it.

I'd rather not let the men from 1790 decide how we live in 2017...or rather guide our way of life with wishy washy not-specific things like the 2nd. There is a lot of data they didn't have that we do to consider. Not to mention things like the scale of our population or the technology behind modern firearms compared to 1790 firearms.

The problem with the 2nd Amendment is how open to interpretation it is and that we still need to challenge it over 200 years later.

If your stance is that you have your right to bear arms in order for self defense from a tyrannical government, then I'd argue that you've already lost that right. This only makes sense if the civilian militia had some form of parity with modern military equipment. So unless you're hoarding hellfire drones in your closet, it doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Rational Poster]

While I understand where that argument comes from it's my understanding that in Europe to hunt without a suppressor is considered inconsiderate. At least in certain areas.

I enjoy going hunting without one though, keeps the damn birdwatchers away who don't understand the need for safety orange in the woods.

Silencers should be specific to certain areas and professions.

Not everyone needs to have access to silencers just because some people actually do need silencers.

 

[floivanus]

Because the Constitution is a living document and it's opened to be questioned and changed if we agree to it.

I'd rather not let the men from 1790 decide how we live in 2017...or rather guide our way of life with wishy washy not-specific things like the 2nd. There is a lot of data they didn't have that we do to consider. Not to mention things like the scale of our population or the technology behind modern firearms compared to 1790 firearms.

The problem with the 2nd Amendment is how open to interpretation it is and that we still need to challenge it over 200 years later.

If your stance is that you have your right to bear arms in order for self defense from a tyrannical government, then I'd argue that you've already lost that right. This only makes sense if the civilian militia had some form of parity with modern military equipment. So unless you're hoarding hellfire drones in your closet, it doesn't make any sense to me.

You're right, it is a living document, TV news and internet articles are covered by the first, just like the 2nd covers 'assault' rifles. If the intent of the 2nd is 'military firearms' or a militia then cover military firearms, which have evolved. The AR/M16 is a 50 year old design for crying outloud, semi autos have been popular since 1903, they're old tech.

 

[Rational Poster]

You're right, it is a living document, TV news and internet articles are covered by the first, just like the 2nd covers 'assault' rifles. If the intent of the 2nd is 'military firearms' or a militia then cover military firearms, which have evolved. The AR/M16 is a 50 year old design for crying outloud, semi autos have been popular since 1903, they're old tech.

How many Abrams tanks do you own though? Do you know anyone in America with a privately owned and functioning Predator?

If you don't then you haven't maintained parity with the military and have already surrendered your 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[10mm]

THere are a few manufacturers of the bump fire slides. It does take some practice to become efficient shooting with one. Since 12 of his rifles had the slide-stock attachment, he obviously was familiar with it.

 

[gtm3]

On a lighter note...

 

[DWAYNEAMERICA]

Lol...I have no "like" ability (due to dubs), but Julian was exactly my first thought when I saw that pic

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Yeah lucky this guy had those 10 machine guns to defend himself from that huge crowd in Vegas huh? I don't buy those arguments, I just think Americans like guns man.

And yeah I'm aware the Olympics has shooting events, Aussies often do quite well actually, but I must have missed the Assault Rifle event.

He had zero machineguns. Not that it makes any difference when it comes to the purpose of why Americans chose to protect basic rights like self-defense.

Yes, we like guns. I like to voice my opinion too. Does that somehow undermine the reasoning behind protecting speech?

Sounds like you don't really want answers based on how you chose to ignore the point about sporting purposes by trying to invalidate it with mention of "assault rifles". But fyi, there is a widely practiced sport called 3-gun. Here you go. Educate yourself. Call it sport. Call it militia training. Either way...


https://www.nssf.org/shooting/3-gun/

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

#3 -not blowing your eardrums out in a home defense situation where you use the gun inside without ear protection.


Tho, I believe studies have shown that most people who have been in home defense situations and fired their weapons without ear protection show many people don't remember hearing the blast because they're so focused/afraid.


But that is another justification for a silencer.


#4 -if you're an assassin.

Pretty sure #4 is the real reason everyone wants them

 

[10mm]

Not just a hobby dude. C'mon, it's a right, and it's used in many aspects of protection/self defense too.
#3 -not blowing your eardrums out in a home defense situation where you use the gun inside without ear protection.


Tho, I believe studies have shown that most people who have been in home defense situations and fired their weapons without ear protection show many people don't remember hearing the blast because they're so focused/afraid.


But that is another justification for a silencer.


#4 -if you're an assassin.


You're better than this.

That is one reason to avoid the 357. Imagine shooting in the car. Would be deaf for awhile.

 

[GODZILLA213]

No sure what is appropriate to post here, but from the photos I am seeing he was using AR-15 style weapons with bump fire stocks and Surefire style extended mags (I think 60 rounders, not sure it's been a while). Looks like he offed himself with a revolver from another photo.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Are you in the state militia too?

Apparently the fat guy who walks into Wal-mart and buys a shotgun with his Cheetos with an IQ of 70 and who is diagnosed as mentally ill is also in the militia as well.

 

[DWAYNEAMERICA]

 

[floivanus]

Apparently the fat guy who walks into Wal-mart and buys a shotgun with his Cheetos with an IQ of 70 and who is diagnosed as mentally ill is also in the militia as well.

If diagnosed as mentally ill you can't pass a 4473 (background check) stop with that mentally ill crap. Just heard colbert do that crap

 

[Fedorable]

I know I am late to the info. So, he sent 100k to the Philippians and his GF was out of the country.

 

[10mm]

Jesus, that is stark....

Dickhead really shouldnt be releasing footage of dead people.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Dickhead really shouldnt be releasing footage of dead people.

Yeah, that documentation of death was weird. Our nation is fucked to death when people are taking video of shit like that while there are dead on the ground with their eyes open.

 

[10mm]

Yeah, that documentation of death was weird. Our nation is fucked to death when people are taking video of shit like that while there are dead on the ground with their eyes open.

He isnt a medic...running around sticking his fingers in the back of peoples heads. He was pissed when the lights went off because he couldnt keep filming. Now someone will see their family member dead with flies on them. Rather douchey behavior, but unfortunately the norm.

 

[second sight]

Dickhead really shouldnt be releasing footage of dead people.

IDK, that made all of this real to me. its not really real until its in your backyard or someone you know.
my eyes leaked watching that

what I can’t stand is authorities feeding us bullshit, misinformation and half truths while they think they’re better equipped to deal with the truth

 

[Satanical Eve]

First body cam footage has emerged from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police. There is a ton of body cam footage they are currently sifting through and looking at