Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Garibaldi]

Paying attention to news can instill all sorts of irrational things.

Just check the statistics in terms of how many people go to movies over a given year, vs how many people are killed in a movie theater shooting each year.

Unfortunately, politicians and others are all too aware of how irrational thoughts and emotions can be played upon to push whatever agenda they are working on, so we'll likely see the gun banning rhetoric ramp up for a bit like we do after most high profile shootings.

Maybe it is not so irrational. I remember a psychiatrist talking about the fear of terror vs the fear of other dangerous situations, like getting killed in traffic which is far more likely. The reason why we are more afraid of terrorism is because the feeling and experience of somebody wanting to kill you, is very rare in our protected western lives, so when it happens it causes major trauma.

This is quite logical, imagine riding your bike and crashing. Imagine u get a concussion and three broken ribs. I doubt this will cause u any longterm emotional scarring. Then imagine two burglars breaking in to your house, and beating u with a baseball bat, the result is the same as the bike accident. Concussion and three broken ribs, the emotional scarring would be far worse.

So fear of terrorism and violence is actually not that irrational, even if the odds of being a victim is very low.

 

[ssj4goku1992]

Why would you ban rifles? Just for the sake of it?

Well... YES!! Why would you allow people to go around having rifles? Jesus is America some sort of post apocalyptic world or what the hell?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Go post more naked white women & black men cucklord.
And behave when you speak to elders.

Mannn that is a dumb ass sig. Even worse if you're actually an older dude.

 

[Slippery Kantus]

Alright bro, sorry for offending your safe space.

I'm not a racist...but lets just not talk about this.


Lets just focus on this thread.

You brought it up racist, don't be a coward now. You thought it was so important to race bait in a totally unrelated thread about a mass murder, have some fucking class.

 

[FacePunch]

Well, I can see this thread has devolved into total dogshit.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Jesus is America some sort of post apocalyptic world or what the hell?

I mean... Kinda.

 

[jlagman]

Weapons that are not pistols. And are not hunting rifles. Of course i know little about it, i dont live in fucking Afghanistan. Nobody has rifles and shit here. Only the mob has pistols... And not a lot of them.

Rifles and whatever the fuck their classification calls them. As i have said, any firearm that is not a pistol or a hunting rifle.

So what makes "any firearm that is not a pistol or hunting rifle", "more bad" than a firearm that is a pistol or a hunting rifle?

 

[Fawlty]

I just want to note that the Trumpist race trolls are on the verge of successfully turning this into yet another thread bitching about black people.

 

[ssj4goku1992]

Well firstly, the rifles you describe, I’m guessing bolt actions, tend to by higher caliber, so a larger bullet. The AR-15 fires a relatively small bullet, but it goes really fast. Additionally, like I said, they come in packs. You need a high rate of fire otherwise some will get away. Currently there’s an open season, no bag limit on coyotes, etc. because they’re deemed a nuisance animal. If you don’t kill them, they will either wait until you leave and then attack your livestock, or move on and attack someone else’s. I’m not sure if you’ve seen what a pack of coyotes can do to a henhouse, or if you’ve seen a horse break it’s leg in a prairie dog hole, but it truly isn’t pretty.

Strangely how all other countries have other solutions to this other than allowing people to walk around like it s a real life video game...

 

[Deleted member 429137]

You know nothing. I support Black Nationalism and also Black freeman who want to live as Americans in our country.

I don't support crybabies with excuses who want handouts.

Don't argue with me. I'm supporting your stupid ideas.

 

[original doom]

Damn, turned off media and sherdog for a bit... he now had 16 guns in the hotel room?

Fuck, always scarier when intelligent people snap like this.

16 weapons and the pauses in the shooting videos were because he was apparently reloading. Why not just have 16 rifles loaded and ready to go.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

This is the part that concerns me most.

IF it was a Bump Fire stock those things have this weird selling to their fire rate where they speed up and slow down as they're fired (plus you can't find many mags for an AR over 60 rounds). Based on friends that have watched the vids they say the fire rate never seems to change and is very long which to me implies something like a SAW or M240 or similar.

HOW THE FUCK does someone get that? They're nearly the price as a damn brand new truck plus the wait period and everything else you mentioned.

Also, unlike ARs or even AK's they don't exactly break down into a compact package either which means if he had that it probably took up a single suitcase by itself.

Haven't listened to the vids, but if it's sustained high-rate of fire (but sounds to erratic for legit full-auto) it could be a belt-fed with a binary trigger. Here's mine. Ares (now Fightlite) MCR upper on a Spike's lower. Trigger fires on pull and release (can achieve 700+ rounds per minute). The nutscack holds 100 rounds but you can get 200 round drums or just link up every round of ammo you've got (if you don't need it to be portable). The barrel (when overheated) is easily swapped out by depressing the button between the handguard and where the scope is mounted. The handle is to pull the barrel out without touching it. Takes about five seconds to swap it out.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I’ve been to several European countries, namely Ireland, England, Belgium, and Germany, and asked that same question. The answers I got were mostly that they either don’t have them, or their in small enough numbers where you can effectively trap/poison them. Their farms are also significantly smaller than the ones we have here. Some good family friends have a collection of fields that are several square miles in area, and that’s just one families operation. The truth is, the police can’t come out and shoot them, they’d do nothing else and there are very few LEOs here per capita. Trapping can work sometimes, but they’re in too great of numbers and you can accidentally trap endangered species. A rifle is the simplest, cost effective way to do it. Also our county has had only one homicide in the past five or six decades, so it really isn’t an issue around here.

What he's missing is that Europeans basically killed the vast majority of their pesky wildlife well before the US could. By the time we could we stopped for a second and thought "Maybe we shouldn't make all these animals go extinct?" and then decided to have a little restraint. Plus we still have more space and uninhabited land for them to breed in.

I think it was Kate Beckinsale who freaked out in her US home at the sight of a coyote, mistaking it for a wolf. They're not used to that kind of wildlife in Europe.

 

[IDL]

Maybe it is not so irrational. I remember a psychiatrist talking about the fear of terror vs the fear of other dangerous situations, like getting killed in traffic which is far more likely. The reason why we are more afraid of terrorism is because the feeling and experience of somebody wanting to kill you, is very rare in our protected western lives, so when it happens it causes major trauma.

This is quite logical, imagine riding your bike and crashing. Imagine u get a concussion and three broken ribs. I doubt this will cause u any longterm emotional scarring. Then imagine two burglars breaking in to your house, and beating u with a baseball bat, the result is the same as the bike accident. Concussion and three broken ribs, the emotional scarring would be far worse.

So fear of terrorism and violence is actually not that irrational, even if the odds of being a victim is very low.

The fear I think is rational if it can realistically protect you, which I assume is its evolutionary function. In the age of mass media and being bombarded constantly with every little thing, it implants these fears artificially. The fear does not line up with reality (since it is based on perception, and perceptions are being shaped over media exposure).

So I think there is a rational basis for the mechanism itself, but in practice in this context it leads to irrational responses.

 

[ssj4goku1992]

Our country was founded on the principal of independence, as we were originally a colony of at the time Britian. The Brits told us what to do and not do and people here felt oppressed by them. The only reason we were able to obtain our freedom from them was via fire power. So to answer your question, yes people here are raised to be against government tyranny and to never let it happen. Defend your rights at all costs.

So then it had a reason.. But now? You cant fight the army?! What the fuck they ll come in with tanks and shit. It s a democracy... there are rights, legal things and etc. What the fuck is this the jungle where people shoot the authorities??

 

[Deleted member 429137]

*sigh* there likely isn't a way that would have mattered. Simply say your peace and move on unless the objective is to simply drag this out till I fall asleep from the sheer exhaustion of it.

Who knows, now that your obviously on my radar as a poster I'll likely notice what you post more and in the fullness of time develope a deep and abiding respect for your opinion and actually allow it to influence a decision or two on what I post. There, all better now?

No. It's unreasonable to demand of me that I nurture a relationship with an idiot before I can voice my opinion. In the future you're just going to have to suck it up, buttercup.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Father is dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-attack-stephen-paddock-trnd/index.html

So the dad got away with it. Assuming he didn't kill anyone in the process of robbing the bank...

 

[HomerThompson]

What he's missing is that Europeans basically killed the vast majority of their pesky wildlife well before the US could. By the time we could we stopped for a second and thought "Maybe we shouldn't make all these animals go extinct?" and then decided to have a little restraint. Plus we still have more space and uninhabited land for them to breed in.

I think it was Kate Beckinsale who freaked out in her US home at the sight of a coyote, mistaking it for a wolf. They're not used to that kind of wildlife in Europe.

She needs someone there to protect her, imo. I selflessly volunteer.

 

[Teppodama]

We re talking about WEAPONS here. It should be a very serious reason for having a WEAPON. Not a vehicle that can drive me from here to there

That vehicle is just as much a weapon as a firearm when used recklessly and often is more so than firearms. And it could be argued even easier to miss use because of its availability.

Now, that being said I do believe there is room for improvement of how we deal with gun crimes just like we adjust the laws for vehicular homicide from impaired driving by lowering the acceptable blood alcohol levels. California's ammo limits are in my opinion in much the same vein. But we don't outlaw cars even knowing full well deaths will continue from their improper usage.

 

[ssj4goku1992]

The real reason is that America was born from revolution, taking up arms against its (British) government. Over the centuries you had things like The Dust Bowl (wherein families were forcibly removed from their farms by government agents working for the banks during the Great Depression), the Civil War (fighting their own government this time) and America's cowboy heritage (culminating in the widespread use of firearms/might to solve problems people didn't like -- from vigilantism to decades of the KKK as a powerful political force which used murder as its primary means of influence).

There are millions of people in America who legitimately believe that the government is going to throw them into camps and kill their children: these people aren't minorities, mind you, but members of the white majority who are arming themselves to the teeth so they don't go down without a fight.

Keep in mind, these are the same people who fully support the militarization of police and the civil asset forfeiture act while building an industrial prison complex that dwarfs even the most repressive regimes on the planet.

Spoiler

I understand. It s a mostly retarded thing done out of fear by the masses.