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Bottoms up, bud.
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in your 2025 thread featuring Kyle Kucklinski.Unironically posting Jimmy Dore in 2025 you absolute madman
I'll take madman as a compliment, thank you.
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Lol@"midterms"
I see ZERO reason to trust that these lunatics will ever cede power again.
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He has over 1 1/2 million subs and clears about 1/4 of million to 1 million + views a day.
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The original article is behind a paywall so I'll post another as I don't expect everyone to watch a video.
James Carville's strategy; "roll over and play dead". That is a direct quote.
TLDW;
-As MLK said, it's always the right time to do the right thing
-Communicate what's going on, offer an alternative vision, and execute
-Endless lawsuits
-Bodies in the streets; they need to be worried about us
-Call congress
-Go after the people down the chain of command from Elon and Trump who aren't as insulated. Ruin them
-Human chain around government buildings
-Every staff meeting should be saying Elon should get no more money from the government, request the money given back with interest
-Boycott businesses, which is already happening. Tank Elon's businesses
-Use every legislative tool imaginable; filibuster everything possible; run ads in purple districts exposing votes and agendas, apply pressure so they're more scared of the resistance than MAGA; they don't have a big lead in the house, chip away at their people
-Make it clear to the American people what their agenda is like Bernie, describe the real problems and communicate that trans people and immigrants aren't the real enemy
-Give people a vision, name policies and support them like Medicare 4 All
-Ground is fertile for grass roots takeover, Dem base is fired up and pissed at the media and lack of fight from their politicians
-Dems might win going forward anyway just because of how bad this administration is fucking things up
I also liked this article.
Carville's 'play dead' plan: A death knell for democracy
Carville’s call for Democratic retreat is a losing strategy. To counter authoritarianism, Democrats must fight, reframe, and lead—not surrender.www.theframelab.org
Some segments:
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In today’s New York Times, the former Bill Clinton strategist offers the Democratic Party some bizarre advice. He suggests that Democrats should “roll over and play dead” while President Elon Musk and his sidekick, Donald Trump, dismantle the United States government.
[...]
Carville’s proposed strategy is the hallmark of flawed Enlightenment Reason thinking—the idea that people will rationally decide that Republicans are incompetent if Democrats sit on their hands and do nothing. He suggests that a Democratic surrender will “Allow the Republicans to crumble beneath their own weight, and make the American people miss us.” But if things worked according to this logic, we wouldn't have a twice-impeached convicted felon as president.
This kind of thinking also exposes a systemic problem with many Democratic strategists: They are economic elites who can afford to see politics as mere sport. They are detached from the reality of working-class and vulnerable Americans who will be the first to feel the pain caused by the dismantling of the public good. When you're a multimillionaire consultant, economic suffering is apparently just theoretical.
[...]
His analysis misses the fact that effective opposition isn’t obstruction for obstruction’s sake. It’s about articulating a clear alternative vision while highlighting the real-world consequences of harmful policies. Democratic leaders must become more effective communicators, not silent observers of the nation’s destruction. Their role in shaping public opinion is crucial. They must actively inspire hope and offer a clear path forward, especially in this age of algorithm warfare and weaponized disinformation.
[...]
This is where cognitive framing becomes crucial. If Democrats “roll over,” they become enablers of the Republican Party and send the message that all hope is lost.
[...]
Democrats must leave Carville in the past where he belongs and instead mount a fierce, principled, strategic opposition that offers Americans a clear alternative: democracy over authoritarianism, shared prosperity over oligarchy, and constitutional governance over unchecked power. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and silence isn’t a strategy—it’s surrender.
What are some ideas for what the Democrats should do going forward?
Note the refusal to engage that always pops up in these threads while attacking the source and trying to make you defend the source as opposed to the point. Most of the feedback this far is purely rhetorical, as expected.
I'm of the mindset that the Democratic party needs an unhinged lunatic. There's no more "return to normalcy"...the fascists scoff at the very mention of that because they're sold on the idea that normalcy WAS the problem.
Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.
Yesssss, we need AOC. Please, or that chick with Billboards as eyelashes. Please, get us some of that to run against.
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What?
Why would you need lunacy to combat lunacy?
Lunacy generally isolates itself, no?
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LOL, no. That's why you're in the position you're in. Democrats need normalcy. Not more far left wack jobs. If you think that's their problem, you're the problem.
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Yeah, I agree.
Usually with these things the losing party has to go further centre, which in America's case might even be just a little bit closer to right wing than is comfortable.
I don't think the US left wing is particularly left wing at all despite all the rhetoric, but it's pretty clear they need to move closer to the right if they're to win a fair election in the post-Trump world.
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From a political strategy standpoint I think it makes a lot of sense for Democrats to let this administration tank the economy with tariffs and even to let Republicans make deep cuts to Medicaid. It would get voters to turn on Republicans very quickly.
It would also give Democrats more time to rebrand and become more relatable.
It would also give Democrats more time to rebrand and become more relatable.
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To an extent. The Dems actually acted upon a few(but very significant) hard left positions. Like open borders, DEI and trans issues...which absolutely killed them in the election. Just a few samples of hard left ideology destroyed them. Doubling down will kill the party. They need a sane Bill Clinton like motherfucker in there. Not a guy afraid to say "Ladies and Gentlemen", or "Illegal immigrants", due to some backlash they might receive on Twitter. They're far too focused on the micro, and not the macro.
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The original article is behind a paywall so I'll post another as I don't expect everyone to watch a video.
James Carville's strategy; "roll over and play dead". That is a direct quote.
TLDW;
-As MLK said, it's always the right time to do the right thing
-Communicate what's going on, offer an alternative vision, and execute
-Endless lawsuits
-Bodies in the streets; they need to be worried about us
-Call congress
-Go after the people down the chain of command from Elon and Trump who aren't as insulated. Ruin them
-Human chain around government buildings
-Every staff meeting should be saying Elon should get no more money from the government, request the money given back with interest
-Boycott businesses, which is already happening. Tank Elon's businesses
-Use every legislative tool imaginable; filibuster everything possible; run ads in purple districts exposing votes and agendas, apply pressure so they're more scared of the resistance than MAGA; they don't have a big lead in the house, chip away at their people
-Make it clear to the American people what their agenda is like Bernie, describe the real problems and communicate that trans people and immigrants aren't the real enemy
-Give people a vision, name policies and support them like Medicare 4 All
-Ground is fertile for grass roots takeover, Dem base is fired up and pissed at the media and lack of fight from their politicians
-Dems might win going forward anyway just because of how bad this administration is fucking things up
I also liked this article.
Carville's 'play dead' plan: A death knell for democracy
Carville’s call for Democratic retreat is a losing strategy. To counter authoritarianism, Democrats must fight, reframe, and lead—not surrender.
Some segments:
[...]
In today’s New York Times, the former Bill Clinton strategist offers the Democratic Party some bizarre advice. He suggests that Democrats should “roll over and play dead” while President Elon Musk and his sidekick, Donald Trump, dismantle the United States government.
[...]
Carville’s proposed strategy is the hallmark of flawed Enlightenment Reason thinking—the idea that people will rationally decide that Republicans are incompetent if Democrats sit on their hands and do nothing. He suggests that a Democratic surrender will “Allow the Republicans to crumble beneath their own weight, and make the American people miss us.” But if things worked according to this logic, we wouldn't have a twice-impeached convicted felon as president.
This kind of thinking also exposes a systemic problem with many Democratic strategists: They are economic elites who can afford to see politics as mere sport. They are detached from the reality of working-class and vulnerable Americans who will be the first to feel the pain caused by the dismantling of the public good. When you're a multimillionaire consultant, economic suffering is apparently just theoretical.
[...]
His analysis misses the fact that effective opposition isn’t obstruction for obstruction’s sake. It’s about articulating a clear alternative vision while highlighting the real-world consequences of harmful policies. Democratic leaders must become more effective communicators, not silent observers of the nation’s destruction. Their role in shaping public opinion is crucial. They must actively inspire hope and offer a clear path forward, especially in this age of algorithm warfare and weaponized disinformation.
[...]
This is where cognitive framing becomes crucial. If Democrats “roll over,” they become enablers of the Republican Party and send the message that all hope is lost.
[...]
Democrats must leave Carville in the past where he belongs and instead mount a fierce, principled, strategic opposition that offers Americans a clear alternative: democracy over authoritarianism, shared prosperity over oligarchy, and constitutional governance over unchecked power. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and silence isn’t a strategy—it’s surrender.
What are some ideas for what the Democrats should do going forward?
Love Carville though he's on the opposite side. Geaux Tigers and long live Carville
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Yeah, people get mad at or try to hand waive Kulinski but usually don't address his points.
The decorum and corporate cash has to go. The party is not only using a dated playbook but I'm not sure the party can be redeemed at this point. Their strategy is literally the opposite of opposition to what this regime is doing, to wait for the pendulum to swing back after the GOP wrecks shop. That is unacceptable to me and we might not have much of a democracy left by then and it was already limited.
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The exact opposite. They need to handle immigration better but not defame immigrants, focus and the positives while being humane, securing the border and streamlining citizenship. Kamala ran anything but a hard left campaign, in fact she sounded like a Republican toward the end. If people want Republicans, they'll just vote for actual Republicans.
DEI, immigrants, and trans stuff is a boogie man to point blame at because the GOP has nothing real to run on like the Democrats, this is classic conservative playbook stuff. The Democrats only very vocally focus on identity because that's their only playbook as they won't adapt a popular Bernie style approach due to their donors. Bernie is "woke" but extremely popular because he speaks to people's material needs, he doesn't virtue signal like Democrats because he has a real belief structure.
The Bill Clinton era, 3rd way Democrat era is over and it's not coming back, continuing to be economically rightwing is killing the Democrats. They must move left economically and many leftwing initiatives like UHC are popular across the board. So far, they're just openly continuing to rely on the GOP fucking things up so bad that they can run on a platform of not shitting in people's mouths and win, AKA a very low bar. They get in for a few years, people's materially needs continue sliding but slower than when Republicans are in power and maybe there's a reach around or two, people get pissed, vote for someone new, that person does fuck all or makes things worse, rinse, wash, repeat. The rich get richer.
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Jimmy is falling off since he went blue MAGA and started hawking pseudoscience horseshit, Kyle has only grown. Facts don't care about your feelings.in your 2025 thread featuring Kyle Kucklinski.
I'll take madman as a compliment, thank you.
Trump supporters amirite
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No. You're out to lunch on this, if you think Democrats lost because because they were too "centrist". They lost(in part) because of the wacky far left nonsense. If you want to keep losing, stay the course. Get another woman in there(because it absolutely has to be, for...progress), and have them espouse pie in the sky far left nonsense. You'll lose every single time. And no, Kamala didn't lose because she aligned with Liz Cheney and appeared to court centrists. She lost, because nobody bought that she changed every single one of her far left positions from four years ago. Not to mention that Trump was up the polls for two years, because of far left nonsense.
By all means, though, go down with the ship.
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You're wrong
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two peas in the TYT pod as far as I'm concerned. Kyle grew? Funny how empathetic he seems to Carville's plight over having bad instincts when he himself has made a name for himself on the list of folks with terrible instincts. Those TYT's get credit for being consistent in their inconsistency. I wonder why.
