Kyokushin vs Taekwondo Conditioning

[Deleted member 466273]

Mawashi Geri is one of the most known and used technique in Karate, and it's a roundhouse kick. I'm getting eye cancer from reading the non-sense posts in this thread.

I never wrote that

 

[bobthebuilder]

muay thai knocks out TKD and Kyokushin Karate though, and the conditioning is harder

 

[j123]

muay thai knocks out TKD and Kyokushin Karate though, and the conditioning is harder

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

muay thai knocks out TKD and Kyokushin Karate though, and the conditioning is harder

I dont think thats fair. There are plenty of successful kyokushin guys in kickboxing. muay thai and kk both win and lose fights.

 

[Nyanav]

Lol why is everyone blaming each other, why are flame wars happening in every threads jeez...

 

[Tayski]

Lol why is everyone blaming each other, why are flame wars happening in every threads jeez...

Some people can't accept that there are other martial arts than theirs out there which are effective too, some others can't accept that their martial art might be less practical and effective than some other martial arts. It's all about pride, ego, and bias.

spacetime is a known troll who doesn't make sense most of the time and can't stop himself from criticising arts which aren't Tae Kwon Do, especially if it's Kyokushin. Yet he has never trained in Kyokushin nor most of the other arts he likes to slag off.

Then you have the Muay Thai elitists who think Muay Thai is superior to everything else and consider all the other arts as inferior and shit.

And then you have the Karate nerds who swear by Karate and try to advertise it wherever they can, sometimes ignoring some of its flows. Those guys tend to be a bit more mild in their comments and open to discussion though.

And finally you have the MMA guys who think any traditional martial art is shit.

IMO the instructor and the people you train with is much more important than the actual art. It's better to receive top level instruction from a less reputated traditional style and sparr with very high level competitors, as opposed to training in a mcdojo of a reputed style or a crappy Muay Thai or MMA gym.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Some people can't accept that there are other martial arts than theirs out there which are effective too, some others can't accept that their martial art might be less practical and effective than some other martial arts.
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Is that why your Kyokushin boy got his ass whopped by an ITF champ?

 

[Tayski]

Is that why your Kyokushin boy got his ass whopped by an ITF champ?

You mean 3 Tae Kwon Do black belts getting savaged by Kyokushin black belts.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

You mean 3 Tae Kwon Do black belts getting savaged by Kyokushin black belts.

They were not ITF. We have nothing in common with those WTF guys. DIfferent body mechanics, patterns, sparring rules. etc

 

[Tayski]

They were not ITF. We have nothing in common with those WTF guys. DIfferent body mechanics, patterns, sparring rules. etc

Prove those guys are WKF and not ITF. And prove ITF is different in body mechanics patterns and sparring rules.
The international ITF rules are also point scoring with heavy contact being against the rules.

 

[ARIZE]

Different uniform, different spelling of TKD (itf use a -).
Don't want to participate in Kyokushin vs TKD. But ITF uses punches to the head, and that's the only part that is semi-contact.
The kicks are done with full power in competition. But they prefer speed over power.
I train mostly in MT, and have competed in both TKD and MT. Back kicks in ITF, are one of the most painful strikes I have received.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Prove those guys are WKF and not ITF. And prove ITF is different in body mechanics patterns and sparring rules.
The international ITF rules are also point scoring with heavy contact being against the rules.

WTF Uniform (BLACK COLLAR) http://www.quick-step.pt/shop/images/store/daedo/TA2007G.jpg

ITF uniform NO BLACK COLLAR): http://www.daedo.com/media/catalog/...eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/a/ta10815_3.jpg

WTF roundhouse is knee straight up chamber then twist and hit with the instep.. ITF is NOT. WTF also emplou different mechanics to the sidekicks.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Some national competitions are full contact, all World or European championship events are Semi contact. Contact level is always heavy and rarely penalised. If both fighters can take it, judges don't care.

This is heavy contact no matter what the rules states

 

[Tayski]

Some national competitions are full contact, all World or European championship events are Semi contact. Contact level is always heavy and rarely penalised. If both fighters can take it, judges don't care.

This is heavy contact no matter what the rules states

Please stop showing me videos of Tae Kwon Do fouls to try to convince me it's full contact. Heavy contact is clearly stated as against the rules leading to point deduction and disqualification, just like low kicks and hook punches.

Can you show us an example of a national ITF competition with full contact rules with a URL to the website?

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Please stop showing me videos of Tae Kwon Do fouls to try to convince me it's full contact. Heavy contact is clearly stated as against the rules leading to point deduction and disqualification,

Do your own research.

 

[Tayski]

Do your own research.

It doesn't exist, so pointless research.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

It depends on what kind of conditioning. Kyokushinkai guys hit each other with no protection. So they develop durability, and resilience. TKD wears protection, so they are more about speed and volume.

 

[CFGroup]

They do FULL CONTACT in dojangs but ONLY do SEMI CONTACT in competitions?? GTFO! They train for the rules format that they compete in which is semi contact.

Nice try, but you missed with that one.

Nope, full contact in WTF national competition in CO springs, qualifying for the new Olympic team through the 90's when I did it.

I'd take the movement and footwork of TKD over Kyokushin any day BUT there's no comparison to Kyokushin no pads full contact conditioning in TKD, NOTHING!

We had to break cement but only with hands and feet and some weird eccentrics would break boards with knees forarms and elbows.

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

really depends.. i was put into tkd as a young kid and the sensei was a nutjob romania alocholic.. but he was tough as fuck and a real deal fighter. was also a wrestler in romania.. he incorperated alot of extra things and didn't do that bouncy points game tkd shit..

so yeah depends on dojo.

 

[AshiharaFan]

Nope, full contact in WTF national competition in CO springs, qualifying for the new Olympic team through the 90's when I did it.

Are you saying that you fought nonstop with no gloves, head gear, chest protectors and feet protectors?