Kyokushin vs Taekwondo Conditioning

[CFGroup]

Are you saying that you fought nonstop with no gloves, head gear, chest protectors and feet protectors?

No you hit as hard as you could full contact. Spacetime is actually wrong, ITF is penalized for full contact WTF is full contact delivery. Head gear, chest protectors, for arm and shin/instep pads. Head gear and gloves in 2 years of amateur KB. Guys would get dropped in TKD even through head gear and chest protectors, so power delivery was not a question.

I've never and would never(because I'm not getting paid) spar or compete without head gear. I played football for 7 years through HS and Collage and had as many concussions as I could safely take. Now knowing what we know about the long term effects of head trauma non head protected sparring without monetary gain is so unwise.

 

[Tayski]

No you hit as hard as you could full contact. Spacetime is actually wrong, ITF is penalized for full contact WTF is full contact delivery. Head gear, chest protectors, for arm and shin/instep pads. Head gear and gloves in 2 years of amateur KB. Guys would get dropped in TKD even through head gear and chest protectors, so power delivery was not a question.

I've never and would never(because I'm not getting paid) spar or compete without head gear. I played football for 7 years through HS and Collage and had as many concussions as I could safely take. Now knowing what we know about the long term effects of head trauma non head protected sparring without monetary gain is so unwise.

Head gear is not making you take less damage to your brain or avoid concussions though. If anything it gives you a false sense of security.

 

[CFGroup]

Head gear is not making you take less damage to your brain or avoid concussions though. If anything it gives you a false sense of security.

Um....Than why were it?

That's like saying:

"Air bags are not making you take less damage in a car crash though, they only give you a false sense of security"

"MMA/BJJ mats are not making you take less impact in a take down though, they only give you a false sense of security"

Here's my fave....

"Mattresses are not making you sleep more softly though, they only give you a false sense of a good night sleep"

LOL!

 

[Tayski]

Um....Than why were it?

That's like saying:

"Air bags are not making you take less damage in a car crash though, they only give you a false sense of security"

"MMA/BJJ mats are not making you take less impact in a take down though, they only give you a false sense of security"

Here's my fave....

"Mattresses are not making you sleep more softly though, they only give you a false sense of a good night sleep"

LOL!

Exactly! Why wear it?

There's a difference between skin and bone damage and head trauma.

Air bags were designed to protect your skull, your nose, your teeth etc. from being smashed against the wheel or whatever else is in front of you, it doesn't just save your brain cells from taking a shot at the impact during a crash.

Wearing head gear in combat sport just doesn't stop concussions or shocks to the brain, otherwise why do those Tae Kwon Do guys get completely knocked out while wearing the gear.

You're saying you wouldn't sparr without head gear because of brain trauma, I'm telling you it won't save you from brain trauma.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...r-boxers-banned-bid-REDUCE-head-injuries.html

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/09/does-h...udy-says-maybe-but-not-all-fighters-convinced

https://www.reddit.com/r/amateur_bo...much_power_does_headgear_take_out_of_a_punch/

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Interestingly enough, head gear is optional in ITF TaeKwon-Do but nobody wears it. Only the Greece National team have I seen all wear it, which I found comical because it only hampers your vision and really doesn't protect you more.

It must be a cultural thing why that particular nation wears it?

There is another small "ITF organisation" formed after the founders death in which it is mandatory (for those getting confused online=)

 

[Deleted member 466273]

It doesn't exist, so pointless research.

Is it a bird, a plane? No it's full contact TaeKwon-Do sanctioned for ITF fighters! Called Pro Taekwondo.

They were ITF uniforms under the red and blue clothing.

 

[AshiharaFan]

No you hit as hard as you could full contact.

I could be wrong, I am of the understanding that Full Contact means not wearing protective gear (except maybe a cup) in addition to hitting as hard as you can which is why I asked.

Spacetime is actually wrong

Not surprised.

I've never and would never(because I'm not getting paid) spar or compete without head gear. I played football for 7 years through HS and Collage and had as many concussions as I could safely take. Now knowing what we know about the long term effects of head trauma non head protected sparring without monetary gain is so unwise.

Can't say I blame you but I look at it that the fear of catching a kick to my head and having my brain scrambled like eggs is all the motivation I need to always keep my guard up no matter what range/distance I'm in. A healthy habit to ingrain I'm sure you would agree.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

I could be wrong, I am of the understanding that Full Contact means not wearing protective gear (except maybe a cup) in addition to hitting as hard as you can which is why I asked.

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Oh, so Boxing in the Olympics is not full contact?

 

[AshiharaFan]

Oh, so Boxing in the Olympics is not full contact?

*Sigh*

Kids these days.

 

[Tayski]

Oh, so Boxing in the Olympics is not full contact?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_boxing

"Amateur boxing (also called Olympic boxing) is a variant of boxing practised at the collegiate level, at the Olympic Games, Pan American Games and Commonwealth Games, as well as many associations.

Amateur boxing bouts are short in duration, comprising three rounds of three minutes in men, and four rounds of two minutes in women, each with a one-minute interval between rounds. Men's senior bouts changed in format from four, two-minute rounds to three, three-minute rounds on January 1, 2009. This type of competition prizes point-scoring blows, based on number of clean punches landed, rather than physical power. Also, this short format allows tournaments to feature several bouts over several days, unlike professional boxing, where fighters rest several months between bouts.

Competitors wear gloves. Head protection was used in men's competition until March 2016, before it was removed by the AIBA due to a higher concussion rate with Head Protection. [ @CFGroup ] However, women's boxing will continue with Head Protection, after the AIBA announced that they did not have enough data to decide if there was higher risk of concussion in women.

A referee monitors the fight to ensure that competitors use only legal blows (a belt worn over the torso represents the lower limit of punches - any boxer repeatedly landing "low blows" is disqualified). Referees also ensure that the boxers don't use holding tactics to prevent the opponent from swinging (if this occurs, the referee separates the opponents and orders them to continue boxing. Repeated holding can result in a boxer being penalized, or ultimately, disqualified). Referees will stop the bout if a boxer is seriously injured, or if one boxer is significantly dominating the other. Bouts which end this way may be noted as "RSC" (referee stops contest), RSCI (referee stops contest due to injury) RSCH (Hard blows to the head) or KO (boxer out for ten seconds)."

 

[Tayski]

Is it a bird, a plane? No it's full contact TaeKwon-Do sanctioned for ITF fighters! Called Pro Taekwondo.

They were ITF uniforms under the red and blue clothing.

Come on, get a grip.

You're trying to prove that ITF Tae Kwon Do is full contact by showing a one-off professional event which happened only one time in 2010.
http://www.pro-taekwondo.com/

Not only those are rare and not regular events, but also that is not the competition rules and format someone learning Tae Kwon Do will practice and learn from a typical ITF dojang.

Just stop already lol

 

[ARIZE]

@Tayski
You're not been really fair man. He shows you some highlights and you say those are fouls?

The rules say it's a light contact combat sport (Not semi-contact. There is no reset after a point). But the reality is that only the punches are expected to be light (meaning as soon as contact is made, the arm must be retracted).
There are tons of KO, from kicks to the head or kicks to the liver. They are never considered fouls. Even knock downs from punches, most of the times are not fouls. You cannot expect a 360 (tornado kick) to be light, or even a back kick.


I train mostly in MT for many years, and started ITF a few years back. I have many fights, from smokers to national championships both in those disciplines. I can differentiate a light contact vs a full contact. There is nothing light about the kicks in ITF during matches.
A lot of times, the kicks are quickly retracted, not from fear of fouls, but because speed is more important for scoring points than power. That doesn't mean there are not heavy power kicks.

There is usually an official national championship. Winners gets in the national team. From there, there is the Continental championship and the world. But there are always other competitions. Some friendlies between a few Dojos from the same town, to big sponsored events.

You can see for yourself, there are lots of highlights on youtube, and also full matches.

In the dojos, sparring is most of the times in light contact mode...As every Muay Thai sparring I have seen/been. You wont see Nak Muays do full power sparring, specially beginners.

 

[CFGroup]

*Sigh*

Kids these days.

Yeah man, looks like this is devolving into minutia quibbles.

I...And my TKD teammates and opponents always hit as hard as we could.

I always thought(and was instructed) that head protection even minutely protectedn u from impact....

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm glad as hell I wore it after all the sports related impacts I took growing up. Having splitting headaches through the first few days of FB practice after game day taught me early on all I needed to know about how fragile the head really is.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_boxing
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Amateur boxing is still classified as full contact, is it not? You do not get penalised for heavy contact.

 

[Tayski]

Amateur boxing is still classified as full contact, is it not? You do not get penalised for heavy contact.

You get penalised in ITF for heavy contact as per the official rules, and you still consider that full contact.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Come on, get a grip.

You're trying to prove that ITF Tae Kwon Do is full contact by showing a one-off professional event which happened only one time in 2010.
http://www.pro-taekwondo.com/

Not only those are rare and not regular events, but also that is not the competition rules and format someone learning Tae Kwon Do will practice and learn from a typical ITF dojang.

Just stop already lol

Do you seriously believe that I would start crying if I spar full contact (with gloves) against a Kyokushin student? I will eat it up and simply stun him by punching the face, or worse yet throw a combination of kicks and punches and he will be totally lost.

 

[Tayski]

@Tayski

The rules say it's a light contact combat sport.

Thank you

 

[Tayski]

Do you seriously believe that I would start crying if I spar full contact (with gloves) against a Kyokushin student? I will eat it up and simply stun him by punching the face, or worse yet throw a combination of kicks and punches and he will be totally lost.

So much talk, so little action. Please go to a Kyokushin dojo, challenge some fighter to a full contact sparr and post the video here.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

You get penalised in ITF for heavy contact as per the official rules, and you still consider that full contact.

No, retard. I said that they are semi contact but contact level is free in a club because ITF is not sport oriented.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

So much talk, so little action. Please go to a Kyokushin dojo, challenge some fighter to a full contact sparr and post the video here.

I will. But I don't need to prove anything to anyone and post it here.