Kyokushin Karate

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Mcdojo in Japan?? are you kidding me... Kancho Royama got his black belt in less than a year because of his strong Judo background. Matsui got his black belt in less than a year. If you know the stances, basics and know how to kick your own colors belt karate then you can be upgraded. Its up to your sensei. IF you dont know, you can skip other belts if your sensei see that your more than the belt your wearing. And for the fact i am not a so called sherdog martial artist who trains 2x a week for 2 hours a day or less. Ive train 6x a week for 3 or 4 hours a day. While some here thinks they train for 4 months in just only 2x a week then they began thinking they are professional fighters.



Well said.

I train in Freestyle wrestling and BJJ. Wrestling is my base art. Yet I did have the chance to train in Kyokushin Karate, just as a break from wrestling. I trained at a club here in Sydney. I thought I had seen it all. Kyokushin is an awsome striking art. Most karate is in a sorry state. They over focus on kata and this pitty-patty point sparring.Not so with Kyokushin. It is exaclty what karate should be. Harsh fitness work and plenty of full contact sparring. The training was nuts. My instructor fought in the World Title in Japan aswell as Nationals. Tons of pad work, sparring and crazy conditioning drills. Sprints up and down the halls, we had training partners up on our shoulders and had to pump out 100 squats.

There where times where I was too exhausted to do any more sparring and my instructor grabbed me by the gi, dragged me halfway across the hall and said "If you can't fight, then be a punching bag !".The training left you soaked in sweat and sometimes bleeding. These guys do not believe on over-training, that's for sure. I say check out your club and see what they are like. But I recomend Kyokushin. It's the hardest fight training I have ever had.
 
dont you love those posts, i can kick your trainers ass, my daddy can whoop your daddy, lets have a pissing contest.
 
Well said.

I train in Freestyle wrestling and BJJ. Wrestling is my base art. Yet I did have the chance to train in Kyokushin Karate, just as a break from wrestling. I trained at a club here in Sydney. I thought I had seen it all. Kyokushin is an awsome striking art. Most karate is in a sorry state. They over focus on kata and this pitty-patty point sparring.Not so with Kyokushin. It is exaclty what karate should be. Harsh fitness work and plenty of full contact sparring. The training was nuts. My instructor fought in the World Title in Japan aswell as Nationals. Tons of pad work, sparring and crazy conditioning drills. Sprints up and down the halls, we had training partners up on our shoulders and had to pump out 100 squats.

There where times where I was too exhausted to do any more sparring and my instructor grabbed me by the gi, dragged me halfway across the hall and said "If you can't fight, then be a punching bag !".The training left you soaked in sweat and sometimes bleeding. These guys do not believe on over-training, that's for sure. I say check out your club and see what they are like. But I recomend Kyokushin. It's the hardest fight training I have ever had.

Sounds good, I am in Sydney, what suburb was this my friend...
 
Kyokushin sparring is really to exhausting because of interchanging sparring partners, no break !!. Also when I competed in Japan National Tourney which I ended up as top 7. My shin look like gross but Kyokushin is all about fighting spirit and giving the best you have. I recommend everybody to Train Kyokushin.. OSU !!!
 
I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions regarding Kyokushin, and also add a few other tidbits, in case anyone actually cares enough to read the following enormous mass of text. Not all these misconceptions have been posted in this thread in particular, but I see them a lot. There may be some slight regional/organizational differences (my information primarily concerns the Shinkyokushin organization), but in general this should be near-universally true:


Claim: Kyokushin doesn't have head punches
The style most certainly has head punches, though they are indeed not allowed in competition. Kyokushin emphasises the use of as little protective gear as possible, only a cup and mouth guard are allowed. Bare knuckle punching to the head was causing too much and too frequent injuries, so eventually either head punches or the bare knuckle philosophy had to go. Mas Oyama chose to stick to bare knuckles. Kicks are allowed to the head. Head punches are practised in the dojo, and depending on the dojo you might very well train with gloves and head punches. Shihan Howard Collins, one of the WKO technical directors and one of 16 people who have completed the 100 man fight test makes a point on how competition is not true kumite and should not be emphasised too hard. In other words, you are SUPPOSED to train for for other situations than competitions. If a Kyokushin fighter can't take or defend against head punches as is often implied, it isn't a limitation on Kyokushin as a style but on the fighter himself.

Claim: Kyokushin doesn't have knees or elbows
Both knees and elbows are allowed in Kyokushin. In fact, hiza geri (knee strike) and kin geri (groin kick) are among the first techniques that are taught and both are tested at the very first grading. Incidentally, so is the straight punch to the face. Elbows are not allowed to the head under competition rules, at least not usually, but knees are.

Claim: Kyokushin roundhouse/leg kicks are inferior/weak because they are snap kicks with the instep as opposed to rotating your hip and kick with the shin like in Muay Thai
False, Kyokushin kicks are always made with the shin where applicable, and rotation of the hip, very similar but not 100% identical to Muay Thai kicks. Snap kicks with the instep is the traditional karate kick, but Kyokushin was created with an eye on other styles, appropriating efficient techniques. Cross training is usually encouraged, as is learning and using techniques you find that work even if they aren't in Kyokushin.

Claim: Kyokushin fighters leave themselves open by chambering their punches at the hip
True in some styles, but not Kyokushin. The Kyokushin fighting stance has your arms high and if chambering is done it's at shoulder height.

Claim: No kicks below the belt
I've only heard this rarely and anyone who has seen a Kyokushin fight knows it is not true, but I figured I'd address it anyway. While many styles do not kick under the belt, the leg kick is one of the most important and emphasized techniques in Kyokushin, so much so that winning by rendering your opponent unable to stand is not too uncommon in Kyokushin fights.




On the validity of Kyokushin belts
I wrote this text for Bullshido a while ago so I will paste that here:

In Shinkyokushin (previously IKO2), at least in Sweden, a minimum of 3 months must pass between 10th to 4th kyu gradings. 4th to 1st kyu requires 6 months between gradings. 1st kyu to 1st dan requires 12 months, leaving us with a total of 4 years minimum to reach black belt status. It frequently takes much longer.

There may be some variations between dojos but I think dojos may only have harder requirements, these are the bare minimums. Shihan Collins lets the students in his dojo (G
 
Claim: Kyokushin doesn't have head punches
The style most certainly has head punches, though they are indeed not allowed in competition. Kyokushin emphasises the use of as little protective gear as possible, only a cup and mouth guard are allowed. Bare knuckle punching to the head was causing too much and too frequent injuries, so eventually either head punches or the bare knuckle philosophy had to go. Mas Oyama chose to stick to bare knuckles. Kicks are allowed to the head. Head punches are practised in the dojo, and depending on the dojo you might very well train with gloves and head punches. Shihan Howard Collins, one of the WKO technical directors and one of 16 people who have completed the 100 man fight test makes a point on how competition is not true kumite and should not be emphasised too hard. In other words, you are SUPPOSED to train for for other situations than competitions. If a Kyokushin fighter can't take or defend against head punches as is often implied, it isn't a limitation on Kyokushin as a style but on the fighter himself.

nicolas pettas said in an interview how difficult it was for him to grasp the concept of being "touched" in his face. Something about being touched in the face is a discrace is KK (or something like that).

"in karate you can't punch to the face, and you ofcourse the bareknuckle karete... In the 15~16 i can remember the times ihave been kicked in the head.. In boxing the first thing they teach you is to punch you to the face.."

YouTube - Fight Japan: The Smiling Assassin Segment Nicholas Pettas
 
Machida and GSP are both black belts in KK.Very Effective.Machida uses it alot.

machida does shotokan karate. its very different from kyokushin...its almost the opposite mentality. shotokan has deep rooted stances, uses more distance and angles, and is faster. kyokushin is closer to muay thai in the sense that they like to stand right in front of each other and brawl. i used to do shotokan and my dad is a 3rd degree JKA black belt.

for anybody who wants to see the difference, check out their kumite. i actually like kyokushin kumite better because its full contact, except you cant punch to the head.

shotokan

YouTube - KARATE SHOTOKAN JKA Kumite

kyokushin

YouTube - "Kyokushin Karate"?KO?(low & middle kick)
 
stupid thing wouldnt let me embed the videos in my first post...heres shotokan and kyokushin kunite.

shotokan

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kyokushin

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Where about? There is a Kyokushin club in Manhattan [there website is www.kyokushinkarate.com] and there is one in Sunnyside, Queens [there site is Henri-Oh's Total Fitness & Karate Center - North American Kyokushin Organization Its horribly outdated but the school is still there. I workout there]


You can try Kudo in downton New York. Kudo is an offshoot in Kyokushin that includes headpunches and grappling. KUDO(Kyokushin and Newaza Judo). Its more MMA oriented type of Kyokushin.

heres a sample of it
YouTube - Kudo Trainings
just click the link
 
Have they actually opened up a club yet? This thing about them opening up a dojo in NY has been going on for ages. I've honestly lost all interest in it.
 
You can try Kudo in downton New York. Kudo is an offshoot in Kyokushin that includes headpunches and grappling. KUDO(Kyokushin and Newaza Judo). Its more MMA oriented type of Kyokushin.

heres a sample of it
YouTube - Kudo Trainings
just click the link

but why train something that is basically MMA lite when you can train mma? I am not trying to talk bad about you or your style but why would you do that?
 
nicolas pettas said in an interview how difficult it was for him to grasp the concept of being "touched" in his face. Something about being touched in the face is a discrace is KK (or something like that).

"in karate you can't punch to the face, and you ofcourse the bareknuckle karete... In the 15~16 i can remember the times ihave been kicked in the head.. In boxing the first thing they teach you is to punch you to the face.."

YouTube - Fight Japan: The Smiling Assassin Segment Nicholas Pettas

Before getting into K-1, Pettas fought in high level Kyokushin tournaments, so he would obviously be very conditioned to Kyokushin rules, and under those it would obviously be a big disgrace to break such a rule since it would show lack of restraint etc.

But there isn't some general taboo in Kyokushin against touching the face, Originally Kyokushin did allow bare knuckle face punches. I've read some interviews with various legendary karateka, Jon Bluming for example, and they all describe the training at Honbu in the early days as extremely gruelling with the ambulance picking people up a couple of times a week. You can see that in old videos too, I particularly remember one of Mas fighting some of his students, knocking them down with face punches.

But it is true that it will pose a problem if you're completely tuned to Kyokushin rules, I will quote Shihan Howard Collins, 7th dan under Mas Oyama:

"Today more and more dojos are basing their regular training on competition training and ignoring other aspects of Kyokushin training. Remember that competition is not Kumite! There are rules and regulations limiting your technique, which is good, as we need to protect the competitors. I competed for many years but I always remembered that it was a game for a day."

This is what I mean when I say that a Kyokushin fighter who can't take punches has a problem with the focus of his training and it is not a flaw in the art itself. I can draw a parallel to Judo, which also has techniques that are not allowed in competition, like joint locks. A Judo fighter who only focuses on techniques allowed in Judo competition would cripple himself against a BJJ practicioner or Sambo fighter, but as with Kyokushin the problem is in the training and not the art since all the techniques are there.

Further on, I have never seen anyone question the ability of someone who comes from a grappling art without strikes to take a punch to the head or defend against it, despite them obviously having even less experience of head contact, especially considering that Kyokushin guys certainly aren't aliens to taking kicks and knees to the head and face. Now you say "Well they obviously learned that when they picked up MMA training". And to that I say "So does the Kyokushin guys".

Last but not least, Francisco Filho, Glaube Feitosa, Sam Greco, Semmy Schilt, Bas Rutten, Andy Hug - all fighters with a strong Kyokushin background who seemingly have had no problem adapting to kickboxing or MMA rules. Before anyone says "Well, Bas Rutten only did Kyokushin for a while before he started doing Muay Thai" I'd like to point out that he's a 5th dan black belt and credits Kyokushin as the foundation for his kicking on one of his DVDs (sorry, can't remember which one). A 5th dan in Kyokushin takes many years, and most people never progress above 3rd dan - Rutten obviously continued doing Kyokushin even after he started Muay Thai as well.
 
but why train something that is basically MMA lite when you can train mma? I am not trying to talk bad about you or your style but why would you do that?


MMA training and Kudo Training is basically the same. How can you say that Kudo is MMA lite???? because of its astronaut helmet?
 
Ummm...Machida doesn't use Kyokushin at all. He trains Shotokan. In terms of karate-do, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Shotokan is all about distance as well as blocking and countering. Kyukoshin is far more straight ahead and aggressive.

Check for videos of each online and you'll quickly see the difference.

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that Kudo shit seems pretty legit

What are the rules regarding ground fighting? How much protection does the space helmet give you?
 
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