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KO Slam Holland vs Ontiveros

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  1. dipstickjimmy Red Belt

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    After seeing the finishing Slam do you think deliberate Slams with head to head contact should be illegal?
    Head butts are illegal so aside from arguing make everything legal should this be illegal? Its basically a deliberate head butt combined with a body lock TD.
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    Reminds me of Tito vs Evan Tanner
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    Is this not clearly striking with your head?
    What do you think?
     
  2. Minnja Touch-Butt white belt Platinum Member

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    I don’t think it’s intentional. If you have a good grip and position you aren’t going to move your head out of the way to avoid a head butt on the landing. It’s unfortunate that it happens sometimes but I don’t think it’s something that fighters are actually trying to do.
     
  3. dipstickjimmy Red Belt

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    I think the Tito one is very blatant. he did that on purpose for sure IMO. I think a fighter should move their head to avoid headbutting. Kind of like how they have to aim their kicks so they don't hit the groin. Control your weapons.
     
  4. Bend NvR Break Order to Chaos. Chaos to Order.

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    Yeah because we do so well with eye pokes and shots to the back of the head.

    This is a fight. It's fluid not static.

    Accidents happen that can't be regulated.
     
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  5. YungSithLxrd Purple Belt

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    The onvtiveros takedown was dragged crazy on here. Barely anything serious happened kids slam each other like that all the time. I think he panicked and quit. Maybe had a muscle spasm for a second. Ppl talk about like he was slammed down full force with his head twisting around
     
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  6. markys00 Silver Belt

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    I duno if u look at the replay, one of the angles show that the t was the shoulder that slammed into the guy's head
     
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  7. GueseGuy Red Belt

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    Ontiveros is a can. I saw MVP elbow his skull in 5 years ago. You guys are making too much of this. It was just a can who got tossed and they stopped the fight. Moral of the story is less cans in the UFC.
     
  8. CorninginChristianburg Purple Belt

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    His head seems to be on the neck anyways not the head, and it was also unintentional. If someone headbutted someone they just took down that's a different conversation because that's a headbutt.

    You live by TKD, you die by TKD...kinda how it goes.
     
  9. Bowel-forged Stool Manlet belt Platinum Member

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    I think everything should be legal as long as you know what you are signing up for.
     
  10. Paolo Delutis Silver Belt

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    I agree ...messing with this with a rule change would hinder the sport too much

    No1 grappling is gunna move there head incase of a accidently headbutt during a fast pace fight
     
  11. Paolo Delutis Silver Belt

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    What possible proof is there he did it on purpose...?? This is outlandish
     
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  12. Eric Silva 2.0 Brown Belt

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    Josh Burkman did that to Sam Morgan in the TUF 2 final. It should be illegal. It's like a head butt on steroids.
     
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  13. Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    I think based on the current rules, whenever a fight is finished like that it should actually be considered a no contest but incompetence gets in the way. But it's a fight so I don't care, allow it.
     
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  14. MMAElite4 Blue Belt

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    that dude should not be in there with a fighter like holland
     
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  15. Mmmmmmma1234 Silver Belt

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    You win Dumbest take of day. Good job.

    Kid goes out on a stretcher to the hospital. "He panicked and quit"

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    Anyways TS I definitely don't think kevin was intentional and it was his neck that was the injury I feel like it was more kevin's arm that caused his neck to be at a bad angle.
     
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  16. Kertol Brown Belt

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    I hope he’s alright.
     
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  17. Kaybee Arianator Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    In Tito's defense his head is pretty big, it would be very hard to him to avoid contact there

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  18. CieloLuce my casual belt is fine.

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    It happened and I dont think it was intentional.
    Only thing that matters is that the guy is okay.
     
  19. Post 2 Decision Gold Belt

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    It was a fluke neck injury that ended up being nothing

    You don't fuck with neck injuries
     
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  20. koquerelle Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Agreed, but sometimes accidents are not accidents.

    Please don't have children.
     
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