Knocked out 18 times.

Where most CTE is acquired is probably more true for people who don't get KOd nearly 20 times in actual fights. I'd guess the ratios are a bit different in exceptional cases.

To be fair though KOs alone also arent the only way you pickup brain damage in fights, whilst Reem has been finished a lot he arguebly hasnt taken many really nasty beatings, the only somewhat prolonged beatdown that comes to mind for me is the first Shogun match.

By comparison I suspect something like Fedor/Nog 1 or the Cain/JDS rematches the loser probably took many times more long term damage.
 
Something in that boxing gym water. Making all those guys sound like they're struggling to say every single word.

Except there are plenty of older guys who are fine. This guy boxed 2000 professional rounds in his career, here he is in his 70’s;



Only two of these guys died from a brain disease, yet they all took heavyweight punches throughout their career;



Max Schmeling lived to 99 years old. That’s hardly the lifestyle of a chimney sweep.

Not saying it isn’t an issue or a risk but I do think it has been over exaggerated.
 
You'd take 1 mill to become a human vegetable?
I would take 1 mil to get KOd without any real permanent consequences, because I do not train striking and have no years and years of already accumulated brain damage due to hard sparring in the gym.
 
Been knocked out 5 times by sports accidents. A few years in between ofc. Still managed to get a masters degree without learning and 40% presence. Every brain is different.

But Overeem took took thousands of punches in training and is still sharper than 95% of the roster. Which is pretty impressive.
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Still sounds good too. Which is crazy considering all the damage he's taken thru the years
 
He's just trying to get out of the house.
 
Except there are plenty of older guys who are fine. This guy boxed 2000 professional rounds in his career, here he is in his 70’s;



Only two of these guys died from a brain disease, yet they all took heavyweight punches throughout their career;



Max Schmeling lived to 99 years old. That’s hardly the lifestyle of a chimney sweep.

Not saying it isn’t an issue or a risk but I do think it has been over exaggerated.

First of all, Willie Pep doesn't count because he was famous for not getting hit. He probably got hit the equivalent of about tree fiddy rounds over his 2000.

Secondly, it doesn't matter if they didn't die of a brain disease. Just because it doesn't kill them doesn't mean it's not there. What matters is that they sound like a car that just won't start when they try to speak.

Did you watch Facing Ali? There were like 2 people in that documentary that didn't sound completely punch drunk.

When you listen to Goodridge, Miocic, Liddell, Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, how can you dismiss CTE or say it's been exaggerated? It's fucking terrifying.
 
If you want to know his secret, it's beef. Cow beef, Horse beef, Fish beef. He eats beef 7-9 times a day, its the only way to save your noggin from the abuse.
 
Most CTE is acquired in the gym from repetitive and frequent blows to the head, not from KOs. Damage sustained in a fight is the tip of the CTE iceberg for most fighters who spar hard.

If I was offered the kind of money Overeem gets I'd happily sign up to get KTFO by Ngannou.

Well...except for the Ngannou bomb that curled his toes and essentially killed him for a few minutes lol
 
To be fair though KOs alone also arent the only way you pickup brain damage in fights, whilst Reem has been finished a lot he arguebly hasnt taken many really nasty beatings, the only somewhat prolonged beatdown that comes to mind for me is the first Shogun match.

By comparison I suspect something like Fedor/Nog 1 or the Cain/JDS rematches the loser probably took many times more long term damage.
Absolutely. That's why football coaches who are not Neanderthals are greatly reducing or eliminating hard contact in practice, and MMA gyms should be all about light contact sparring and drilling.

That's also why major amateur boxing events have gone AWAY from the headgear - the headgear and boxing glove combination meant fighters could pretty much take unlimited lower-level hits without being knocked out of their wits, which is potentially worse for the reasons you are mentioning.

Learning how to fall was HUGE and not easy to learn, IMO, for grappling and all-around sparring, for me. When one is falling, there's a big instinct to tense up that has to be overcome.

'Reem has been on the end of some tasty KOs, though. Those do damage, and make one more susceptible to getting concussed again. So while one or two, probably not a big deal, he's had a lot over his career. I'd be worried.

As these stars of the sport in it's popularity growth heyday hit their middle ages, we'll be hearing about more and more of them having issues, just like with American football.
 
Ive been KOd once during a fight.

I cant even begin to count how many times I was told to "shake it off" when I played high school football.

I probably inhaled enough smelling salts to wake up a dead sasquatch...
 
Been knocked out 5 times by sports accidents. A few years in between ofc. Still managed to get a masters degree without learning and 40% presence. Every brain is different.

But Overeem took took thousands of punches in training and is still sharper than 95% of the roster. Which is pretty impressive.
Totally agree. I went to law school, took my masters in jurisprudence, worked as a lawyer for 11 years and then became a judge. Brain still functioning........ for now.
 
And apparently neither do you hahaha.

It's biblical proverb and It's literally Jesus denouncing violence.
I do know that. Does not change that if you live by the sword you die by the sword.

Its who he is.
 
Except there are plenty of older guys who are fine. This guy boxed 2000 professional rounds in his career, here he is in his 70’s;



Only two of these guys died from a brain disease, yet they all took heavyweight punches throughout their career;



Max Schmeling lived to 99 years old. That’s hardly the lifestyle of a chimney sweep.

Not saying it isn’t an issue or a risk but I do think it has been over exaggerated.

"Plenty"? Finding a few exceptions doesn't magically wipe out all the examples we hear about, and the many more who don't get that kind of attention because they are nobodies. The term "punch-drunk" has been with us since the 1920s, at least.
 
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