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I am in love with kimuras, yes I am a big guy, it is technique that can be muscled and doesn't rely on agility, but let us have it, we are not pulling of staple submissions like armbars and triangles with the same rate as you hobbits
And it is a very technical move with many applications and setups, if it is not a submission it is a sweep, but this thread is specifically about throwing with the kimura
Basic
nice concise description, you seem to run the risk of getting dumped forwards thou, correct? must be a great self defense move to, getting loose and applying it standing if possible
Famously used by Sakuraba to break Renzos arm
Another version would be a more judo type sacrifice throw
Sumi gaeshi
strange to see it as a catch move, wouldn't sacrifice throws pin yourself in wrestling?
Karo has used this very much, one of the few people to take down GSP, and it was with this kinda throw
unable to embed for some reason
YouTube - Karo "The Heat" Parisyan Highlight
GSP throw at 0.50, to a tap at 2minutes vs Dave Strasses
his own tutorial
pretty much the same throw as Billy Robinson, slightly different setup, Karo works to clear the arm, Billy just elbows the head to the right side, Karo makes a "judo" point of angling yourself (standing in a T something that judokas often do for entries into throws) in this case I think it helps to flip them over into a diagonal fall rahter then straight forward, Billy's guys are more square just slightly of centre
Nate Diaz does it but lacks the control at the end
IIRC Nate has used a kimura grip to throw haraigoshi aswell just like Karo but i can't seem to find any instructionals about that, but just like the basic/Saku variant, kimura + harai goshi/uchi mata or similar is dangerous because you could get dumped forward. But if the hip throw is stuffed you could try to go back for an osotogari
(major outside reap), turn up so you are back in the T position (your feet in a 90 degrees angle from him)either sweep the leg on the same or hook it should be able to get alottta shoulder into it as you are so connected to him
Nate tried to go for it standing several times but Joe Daddy had some sweet rolling firemans carry type stuff whenever Nate Diaz tried them to.
Pretty funny that the guy himself KIMURA was thrown with it
unable to embed
YouTube - Rikidozan vs Masahiko Kimura (1954 - Part 1/2)
at about 4.20(not a Bravo reference)
I believe it is a fight vs Rikidozan
I even see this version working even
sorta yoko wakare if we use judo terms
The defense I see working would be for the guy who is in the kimura to drive forward down, going into guard or even side control, but the great part is that if you still got the kimura grip you would still be in a good position, if you are in guard you work the kimura or hipbump/kimura sweep or working in a butterfly situp and try a seated version of the kimura sacrifice throw, if you are in side control you try to reverse by spinning out going away from him, as you got his arm in a kimura on that side he doesn't have a arm to post to stop it. But watch out for the armbar counter.
Any body else who likes to play with kimura throws?
Any variant I have missed? Some technical detail?
And it is a very technical move with many applications and setups, if it is not a submission it is a sweep, but this thread is specifically about throwing with the kimura
Basic
nice concise description, you seem to run the risk of getting dumped forwards thou, correct? must be a great self defense move to, getting loose and applying it standing if possible
Famously used by Sakuraba to break Renzos arm
Another version would be a more judo type sacrifice throw
Sumi gaeshi
strange to see it as a catch move, wouldn't sacrifice throws pin yourself in wrestling?
Karo has used this very much, one of the few people to take down GSP, and it was with this kinda throw
unable to embed for some reason
YouTube - Karo "The Heat" Parisyan Highlight
GSP throw at 0.50, to a tap at 2minutes vs Dave Strasses
his own tutorial
pretty much the same throw as Billy Robinson, slightly different setup, Karo works to clear the arm, Billy just elbows the head to the right side, Karo makes a "judo" point of angling yourself (standing in a T something that judokas often do for entries into throws) in this case I think it helps to flip them over into a diagonal fall rahter then straight forward, Billy's guys are more square just slightly of centre
Nate Diaz does it but lacks the control at the end
IIRC Nate has used a kimura grip to throw haraigoshi aswell just like Karo but i can't seem to find any instructionals about that, but just like the basic/Saku variant, kimura + harai goshi/uchi mata or similar is dangerous because you could get dumped forward. But if the hip throw is stuffed you could try to go back for an osotogari
(major outside reap), turn up so you are back in the T position (your feet in a 90 degrees angle from him)either sweep the leg on the same or hook it should be able to get alottta shoulder into it as you are so connected to him
Nate tried to go for it standing several times but Joe Daddy had some sweet rolling firemans carry type stuff whenever Nate Diaz tried them to.
Pretty funny that the guy himself KIMURA was thrown with it
unable to embed
YouTube - Rikidozan vs Masahiko Kimura (1954 - Part 1/2)
at about 4.20(not a Bravo reference)
I believe it is a fight vs Rikidozan
I even see this version working even
sorta yoko wakare if we use judo terms
The defense I see working would be for the guy who is in the kimura to drive forward down, going into guard or even side control, but the great part is that if you still got the kimura grip you would still be in a good position, if you are in guard you work the kimura or hipbump/kimura sweep or working in a butterfly situp and try a seated version of the kimura sacrifice throw, if you are in side control you try to reverse by spinning out going away from him, as you got his arm in a kimura on that side he doesn't have a arm to post to stop it. But watch out for the armbar counter.
Any body else who likes to play with kimura throws?
Any variant I have missed? Some technical detail?
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