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Is Khamzat Chimeav legit or still hype?

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This is number 1 fight that i want to see at welterweight , i think Gilbert beats him , he has very good wrestling and there is no way hat Khamzat submits him , what do you guys think ?
 
Hazuki Ryo said:
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..
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'Romero has been taken down often' is a very misleading statement.
Whittaker was 0 for 1.
Weidman was 1 for 8.
Souza was 1 for 7.
Kennedy was 0 for 6.
Tavares was 0 for 3.
Brunson was 3 of 5.
Markes was 2 for 6.
Cavalcante was 1 for 1.

8 times out of 37 attempts from good grapplers doesn't quantify someone as 'being taken down often'.
 
Those straight punches would crumble Gilbert. I wanna see them wrestle though.
 
He already beat Aliskerov. Aliskerov is the middleweight/light heavyweight (82 and 90 KG) version of Khabib from Khabib's team along with Islam, he is a two time combat Sambo world champion, unbelievable grappler and great striker, and Khamzat KO'd him stiff in seconds.

Khamzat is just on a another level, bros. He won the 205lb Swedish national title in wrestling and did not even get a point scored on him! He is just that Jordan/Karelin type talent where his dominance is so insane that he makes great fighters - world champions - look like absolute bums. It does not matter what wrestler or BJJ guy you throw at him, he will ragdoll them if he wants or KO them. His wrestling style is super aggressive and MMA orientated too, and he was literally KO'ing world class wrestlers with his slams.



He is the ultimate Mr Potato Head of fighter attributes: the wrestling of Karelin, the one punch KO power of a guy like Tyson, the well roundedness of GSP or Jones, the confidence of a Prime McGregor or RJJ, the pressure of Cain and the fight friendly religiously devoted sober life style of Khabib. I rarely make wild predicts, but the guy will become our first ever champ-champ-champ.
 
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GeneTunney7 said:
He already beat Aliskerov. Aliskerov is the middleweight/light heavyweight (82 and 90 KG) version of Khabib from Khabib's team along with Islam, he is a two time combat Sambo world champion, unbelievable grappler and great striker, and Khamzat KO'd him stiff in seconds.

Khamzat is just on a another level, bros. He won the 205lb Swedish national title in wrestling and did not even get a point scored on him! He is just that Jordan/Karelin type talent where his dominance is so insane that he makes great fighters - world champions - look like absolute bums. It does not matter what wrestler or BJJ guy you throw at him, he will ragdoll them if he wants or KO them. His wrestling style is super agro and MMA orientated too, and he was literally KO'ing world class wrestlers with his slams.



He is the ultimate Mr Potato Head of fighter attributes: the wrestling of Karelin, the one punch KO power of a guy like Tyson, the well roundedness of GSP or Jones, the confidence of a Prime McGregor or RJJ, the pressure of Cain and the fight friendly religiously devoted sober life style of Khabib. I rarely make wild predicts, but the guy will become our first ever champ-champ-champ.
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He has insane attributes, I just hope he doesn't have a glass chin and shitty cardio, I think cardio wise he might be able to go 5 rounds but not with the pressure he brings.
 
There's still a huge chance guys like Islam and Chimaev are one fight away from looking exposed but Im on the train, I want Usman vs Chimaev to turn into some great, impending clash.

If I had to pick, Im taking Chimaev. We've seen time and time again with Kennedy vs Roger, Weidman vs Maia or Islam vs Ramos that in MMA the man with better wrestling can usually selectively take the fight to the ground into advantageous positions and or just use ground and pound without putting themselves in much danger. I have rolled with good BJJ black belts and college Wrestlers and while wrestlers may not be the same submission grapplers their control is usually way better still and with ground and pound, that changes a lot.

Also Khamzat is 27, Burns is 35, Khamzat is a MW coming down to WW, Burns is a LW coming up. Ontop of this Burns just got knocked out by jabs and Chimaev seems to crack pretty hard. I want this fight next, Burns is the perfect guy to set Chimaev up for Usman.
 
Hazuki Ryo said:
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good
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You're forgetting RDA & Truijillo & prior to his last fight all everyone said was what a challenge Gathje would be precisely because of his wrestling accumen.

And It wasn't Tibau's wrestling skills that withstood Khabib's takedowns, it was what was coursing thru his veins, as he soon after tested positive for PED's, only to come back after the suspension & get knocked the fuck out [ironically] by Makhachev in the 1st round. No more juice, no more stopping anything.

All that being said, Chimaev is a problem. Dude is something else.
 
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I think this is the best fight to make. If Khamzat wins and makes it look easy (especially with a finish), Usman should just step down as champion.
 
Khamzat wouldn't be able to outwrestle Islam Makhachev. As for the striking, I don't know.
 
Gilbert is too small and gets ragdolled imo. Gilbert has nice BJJ but there's a big strength disparity here.
 
Dreyga2000 said:
Crazy to think these top guys are legitimately the only dudes who can challenge Khamzat 4 fights in
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it's impressive, but not exactly unprecedented. we've had people show up and cause a big stir in divisions before.

cade187 said:
I think this is the best fight to make. If Khamzat wins and makes it look easy (especially with a finish), Usman should just step down as champion.
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khamzat can run through burns and i'd still consider usman to be a heavy favorite.
 
Would be an official fight to see if he should be fighting for the belt. No offence to Li (and I'm not denying the win boosted Khamzat) I don't feel he was a legit top 10 guy. I don't think we'll see Li stay in the top 10 consistently which is what you see in top 10 guys such as Wonderboy. The Ponz win sorta gave Li a false number IMO but I'm not one of those discrediting how good Khamzat is. Burns doesn't really have anyone to fight and offered to fight at MW not long ago. They should book the fight before the year end since both seem to fight anyone anywhere.
 
ryun253 said:
He has insane attributes, I just hope he doesn't have a glass chin and shitty cardio, I think cardio wise he might be able to go 5 rounds but not with the pressure he brings.
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I feel you. These Caucus guys have those giant heads and usually have granite chins. Most of these insane wrestlers have great chins just owing to their cardio and recovery. If his wrestling career is any indication, it wont matter as he is just so bloody dominant - he toyed with world class 205 pond wrestlers like a father playing with his toddler....it was truly frightening, and he has gotten alot better since then. He can also keep that insane pace up in wrestling and has shown that in tournaments.

I really was not on the Khamzat train but that was because I did not know enough about his past, what he already did and the rumors of what he does in the gym. I also wanted to make sure that the covid did not hurt him, and it has not. It may sound crazy, but I would not be shocked if he beat Usman and Izzy in the same night: Ko'd Marty in a round/ragdolled him, then ragdolled and tapped out Izzy. The only time I have ever felt this way about a fighter was Jon Jones after he destroyed Jake Obrien, Vera and Matyushenko.
 
GeneTunney7 said:
He already beat Aliskerov. Aliskerov is the middleweight/light heavyweight (82 and 90 KG) version of Khabib from Khabib's team along with Islam, he is a two time combat Sambo world champion, unbelievable grappler and great striker, and Khamzat KO'd him stiff in seconds.

Khamzat is just on a another level, bros. He won the 205lb Swedish national title in wrestling and did not even get a point scored on him! He is just that Jordan/Karelin type talent where his dominance is so insane that he makes great fighters - world champions - look like absolute bums. It does not matter what wrestler or BJJ guy you throw at him, he will ragdoll them if he wants or KO them. His wrestling style is super agro and MMA orientated too, and he was literally KO'ing world class wrestlers with his slams.



He is the ultimate Mr Potato Head of fighter attributes: the wrestling of Karelin, the one punch KO power of a guy like Tyson, the well roundedness of GSP or Jones, the confidence of a Prime McGregor or RJJ, the pressure of Cain and the fight friendly religiously devoted sober life style of Khabib. I rarely make wild predicts, but the guy will become our first ever champ-champ-champ.
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That defense at the 3 minute mark of that video is WILD. He defends by doing a one handed cartwheel while his opponent drops for a takedown, and takes his opponent's back in the process. I watched it like 10x. lol
 
Maaj19 said:
RDA, Shalarous, Healy, Gathje, Dustin, Tibau, Trullijo.

At least criticise Khabib properly cmon
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Most of those guys are very far off from being elite grapplers or wrestlers. Tibau shut Khabib down entirely, Trujillo wasn't UFC material, Shalorus wasn't UFC material and their fight happened standing, Healy was a journeyman. Dustin was outwrestled in most of his career losses and vs Hooker of recent, he has never had good takedown defense, the division just lacks wrestlers to expose this, as it has been before. Gaethjes takedown defense hasn't been tested much, I have the feeling similar to Fitch or Tony we will see hes easier to takedown than most expect but I could be wrong. RDA solid offensive and defensive grappling and wrestling, I'd argue Khabibs best career win but Poirier is nearly a legend at this point.

When you think of elite wrestlers and grapplers, you think of guys that are battle tested as hard to takedown, hard to control, hard to submit and can also threat in those regards.
 
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