Media Khamzat Chimaev or Poatan - Who's more likely to be in the top 10 all-time rankings?

Who's more likely to be in the top 10 all-time rankings?


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Poatan for sure

I personally don't buy it, I don't think Khamzat is that far ahead of the pack, I said before the DDP fight that DDP was going to get embarrassed. Anytime Khamzat has fought someone with good TDD or really good BJJ he has struggled, aside from the Whittaker fight which was a freak injury and the 17 second KO against GM3 which didn't show us much.

The issue for Khamzat will be finishing fights. His ability to finish fights doesn't seem great against the elite. So until proven otherwise it's hard to side with him. He has a lot of flaws that will make championship fights hard to win. He dominated DDP as I expected, but his actual performance was not that impressive to me. If he had true top 10 skill, he would've finished that fight in the first two rounds, that told us a lot about him even if most viewers don't yet understand it.

It's very hard to win at the elite level with Khamzat's style. Every now and then you'll get a Merab or GSP who break the rules, but winning strictly through control time & takedowns is not a valid strategy against most elite fighters. Khamzat doesn't have the discipline or cardio of those guys, and he's not as good a striker as GSP.

When GSP had to fight the Shields, Hendricks, and Koschecks of the world the fights looked VERY different, Koscheck even took down GSP. The difference was GSP could rely on his striking to win even when the grappling wasn't going to be very effective. Khamzat has not shown anything like that against the elite imo. We also have to factor in that Khamzat would need many years to put together a top 10 resume, with his age now he's already at the near expiration date of his quick & explosive grappling style. So even if you believe that Khamzat could theoretically beat most guys in the top 10, he likely won't even fight them. Other fighters will catch up quickly with the time he takes between fights.


So basically, Khamzat has no chance of becoming an all-time top 10 fighter, you have to give the nod to Poatan just off more achievements and possibly some great potential wins in his future if things go his way. Khamzat is playing catchup to Poatan now, yet he likely won't age anywhere near as well or fight as often. Poatan could stop fighting today and he would likely still have a greater case when all things were said and done. Khabib retired young, GSP retired young, Merab is a freak who is historically active. Khamzat lost a lot of prime years that may have placed him among the top 20 fighters, but it seems like that ship has sailed. If he can defend the MW title a few times he can still become a top 3-5 MW.

Khamzat: 0%

Poatan: 5-10% (would likely need to defend once more, defeat Jones, then win the HW title to have an undisputed spot in the top 10).

Even if Poatan could do all of those things, he still would get shit because Jones is old, the HW division is historically bad, and Ulberg isn't that great of a fighter. When you understand this you realize Khamzat has ZERO chance of getting into the top 10.
I think you nailed a factor that many overlook: Khamzat s age. He relies on top athleticism and mobility for his insane wrestling. Many fighter start losing that before 35. Maybe Khamzat can adopt a clinch heavier style but it remains to be seen.
 
Well right now Poatan clearly has a better resumé, however, I think Khamzat is an infinitely better fighter. His biggest issue is consistency.
 
How is this even poll worthy? Alex fights twice a year, Hazmat fights once every two years at best.
 
How is this even poll worthy? Alex fights twice a year, Hazmat fights once every two years at best.

I looked it up and Alex actually had .. 4 title fights within 365 days, pretty much at all times duting his championship run.

Guys was a workhouse.
Fuckin employee of the month type shit. Saving UFC 300 and then doing it again a few months later, multiple short/not full camp title defenses


** slowed down a bit now with his foot injury and the longer break for the Ank run back. But for a good 2-3 years he was holding that pace.
 
How is this even poll worthy? Alex fights twice a year, Hazmat fights once every two years at best.

The guy that's fought 9 times in 5 years in the UFC only fights once every two years at best? Even if you don't actually follow MMA you can Google things before posting.

The activity point is easy to make even without being completely wrong as Pereira has averaged 3 times per year.
 
As I said in another thread, Khamzat will be viewed like Khabib, some of his fanboys will claim he's the "GOAT", however he's such an infrequent fighter who's already wasted many of his prime years on the sideline, that he'll never actually reach legend status in the sport.

Winning the belt in august with still no confirmation or even hints on when his first defense will be, tells everyone he has no plans to change his 1 fight a year schedule.
 
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The only positive for Chimaev is that he is undefeated.
But Poatan is double champ and he defended three times. And also very active, something that Chimaev isn't.

UFC gave both of them an easy path for the title, though.
 
How will Khamzat EVER top marquee wins like

40lb lighter Adesanya (who proper slept him in the rematch)
40 year old Jan
1.5 year lay off shoulder injury Jiri
1.3 year lay off Achilles injury Hill
Staph infected short notice Jiri
Bumtree (Walker and Cutelaba victim)
Rib injury Ankalaev
 
People are always talking about Alex style matchups. He whooped ank and ank never took him down. Everyone on here said ank was the best wrestler at 205. Alex might win 3 titles
 
The only positive for Chimaev is that he is undefeated.
But Poatan is double champ and he defended three times. And also very active, something that Chimaev isn't.

UFC gave both of them an easy path for the title, though.
Exactly imagine if he that merab path to ddp. He got the Umar or sean path instead.
 
If Poaton beats Jones at the White house. It's Poaton.

I think Khamzat beats Poaton at 205 though, so the matchmakers and Jon Jones will be the ones who decide who has a better legacy.
 
Khamzat doesn't fight nearly enough.

Poatan achieved so much in such little time.

Easy call
 
Everybody retires at the end of their career.

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Him and Norm are yucking it up upstairs.

I looked it up and Alex actually had .. 4 title fights within 365 days, pretty much at all times duting his championship run.

Guys was a workhouse.
Fuckin employee of the month type shit. Saving UFC 300 and then doing it again a few months later, multiple short/not full camp title defenses


** slowed down a bit now with his foot injury and the longer break for the Ank run back. But for a good 2-3 years he was holding that pace.
Guy was holding the company on his shoulders for an entire year, then the UFC had the balls to try to force him into a quick rematch. The company is run worse and worse when the one single guy whose ass you should be kissing is complaining about how he was treated. Bush league.
 
Khamzat. The guy is just electric.

Poatan makes excuses and doesn't fight enough.
 
Him and Norm are yucking it up upstairs.
2 of my favorites.

Norm would do this thing on his podcast where he would write jokes... pretty clearly for his OWN entertainment, and then gi e the cards to guests and have then read the jokes, and then Nrom would criticize them, for reading that Norm wrote. That poor Adam Egat whatever his name is... guy was Norm's personal comedic punching bag.


Mitch was great at observational humor. Genius at finding the funny in every day human behavior and language.

Norm was a comedy adventurer and didn't mind telling a meandering 5 minute set up to a joke about a make a wish kid clubbing a baby seal to death.

"People say the hypocrisy of Bill Cosby was the worst part.

Really?? I thought it was the raping." - Norm


Only comedian I ever saw who could explain a joke and make it funnier.

Guy was holding the company on his shoulders for an entire year, then the UFC had the balls to try to force him into a quick rematch. The company is run worse and worse when the one single guy whose ass you should be kissing is complaining about how he was treated. Bush league.
Bush league indeed

The problem is they keep "failing up" and as such are not learning from their mistakes or addressing them .
 
It's too early to say, and they're not at the same stage of their careers.

Poatan is basically retired. He only wants a pointless money fight now, and he'll lose. What if Poatan loses his next and retires? He would end up with a 13-4 record (2-division champ with 7 top ten wins; 3 title defenses at LHW).

Khamzat is only 31 years old and undefeated. If he defends his belt 4x, he'll have a 19-0 record (7 top ten wins, 4 title defenses at MW). At that point, he would have already surpassed Pereira.
 
Khamzat had more raw potential to dominate a division for years, but I dont think hes ever gonna fulfil it. Hes just too inactive.
Maybe he’s the type that likes the training and is afraid to lose and would never go out and fight if he was even a little bit compromised
 
2 of my favorites.

Norm would do this thing on his podcast where he would write jokes... pretty clearly for his OWN entertainment, and then gi e the cards to guests and have then read the jokes, and then Nrom would criticize them, for reading that Norm wrote. That poor Adam Egat whatever his name is... guy was Norm's personal comedic punching bag.
Some of my favorite bits. "Why would you say that?" <lmao>

Mitch was great at observational humor. Genius at finding the funny in every day human behavior and language.
Mitch, like Norm, had a special mind. It just "worked funny" while at the same time being sharper and more in touch with actual reality than most normal people. Heard a Mitch anecdote recently that cemented that for me.


Bush league indeed

The problem is they keep "failing up" and as such are not learning from their mistakes or addressing them .
It's the "no competition" problem. When the actual inept morons at PFL who have a money spigot but are still failing are your only competition, you can more or less do whatever you want. Decentralization or death!
 
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