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Khabibs top 15 GOAT list

Can't really argue much with his list. You want to move a guy up or down a few spots fine. But I think he has the names in there that deserve to be there for the most part.

Better than a lot these list.
 
Dan O'Burke said:
I really hate to do this but I'm going to Sherdog "logic" this. You act like fedor didn't fight cans...in fact, by my count, 8 of his pride fights were cans and a few more are fighters who were not that good in bigger organizations (out of only 15-16 or so total fights). You forget Silva laid out a much bigger Griffin and made him look like he didn't even belong in a cage. He also thoroughly outclassed Belfort who fought many times at 205. He beat Bonnar and Irvin at LHW as well...not the best competition but still. You act like he purposely sought out smaller guys.

Fedor also lost to smaller Dan Henderson. Which smaller fighters did Silva lose to???
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I didn't mean one is not allowed to fight cans, of course Fedor also fought a lot of cans, i'm not a complete Fedor nutthugger, what I meant is you can't compare AS or Jones victories over fighters much smaller than them as something as great as Fedor's main victories. Fedor could have fought in LHW or even MW and still be a small fighter compared to other fighters in these classes, but instead of doing this, he decided to not hide himself in a weight class below his real weight class, unlike AS and Jones did to fight much smaller opponents than them.
 
VinceArch said:
Prove it.
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Prove it? That's like asking me to prove that the Earth is round. We all know it is but I'd have to be in space to take a picture. I can tell you that GSP was widely connected to VADA, who he wanted to test his Hendricks fight instead of WADA...whom he asked what were their tests like and what they tested for (no innocent person asks that). Pride was notorious for not testing and just by the look of the old fighters (Wandy and Coleman for example) there was obvious doping going on. A little fishy that Fedor wins there...not here...then goes back to Japan or Russia and starts winning again.
 
SlimBucketz said:
Ehh, I understand the whole humble perspective.
But a mature and logical person would be able to rank themselves truthfully from a non bias pov.
They can read their own stats.
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Ok white belt.

The #5 P4P is a very very subjective opinion, and whatever stats you'd like to point to point that Jones is the #1 P4P ever, have at it.

And I'll point at his positive PED test, the stats he had a significant size, reach, and height advantages over the vast majority of his opponents, and how he conveniently announced his HW debut after a 2.5 year lay off... right after he realized he wouldn't be fighting Ngannou.

Say what you want about the other top P4P fighters, but none of them are cowards.
 
Dan O'Burke said:
Outside of that...the only way to "prove it" would be for me to acquire a blood sample of GSP from 2006. Explain to me how exactly I would do that.
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That's not my problem cause I'm not the one arguing for it.
 
Typrune Goatley said:
You think Couture, Cain and Cro Cop should be ranked ahead of Nog? Nog and Werdum have far better resumes than them.

And do you really think Cejudo, Royce, BJ Penn, Cruz should be ranked ahead of Nog and Werdum? Nog and Werdum have like more than double the amount of quality wins as those guys. They were world champions as well.
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No, Nog is definitely ahead of CroCop. I have him above Couture at HW, but Couture is higher p4p. It’s a toss up with Cain.

Nog and Werdum are above BJ and Royce, somewhere around Cruz, but behind Cejudo
 
JustOnce said:
Gotta take out roiders from number 1 and 3.

1) Fedor
2) GSP

Then rest in whatever order.

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But I love Shogun and Crocop love. A bit odd not having Big Nog somewhere though with that logic.
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Huh? Hasn't Crocop been caught with roid in his body?

And it's funny that Jones and Andy are always mentioned in pro fighter's GOAT list but that average dudes on sherdog are complaining about roid lol. It's like if mma fighters knews something that the average dude didn't :)
 
Anyone who puts Fedor in a top list should not be considered seriously...
 
matrixremaster said:
Fedor during his run was the best fighter in the sport.

Yes, the sport has evolved, but you can't compare era's that are too far detached.
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He lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round.

He was the best in Japan, at the very beginning of the sport, but compared to truly great fighters such as Jon Jones, he's simply a fraud.
 
Yellowcrab said:
He lost against a MW grandpa by KO in the first round.

He was the best in Japan, at the very beginning of the sport, but compared to truly great fighters such as Jon Jones, he's simply a fraud.
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His time ended then. He lost to Hendo at the end of a 3 fight losing skid.

Fedor peaked early and was shot in his early 30's.
 
matrixremaster said:
His time ended then. He lost to Hendo at the end of a 3 fight losing skid.

Fedor peaked early and was shot in his early 30's.
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Argument refused.

I don't care if he was out of prime at only 34 years old : you don't lose againt a 40 years old MW by KO in the first round.

It's like saying Usain Bolt should lose against a turtle because he's out of prime.
 
Yellowcrab said:
Argument refused.

I don't care if he was out of prime at only 34 years old : you don't lose againt a 40 years old MW by KO in the first round.

It's like saying Usain Bolt should lose against a turtle because he's out of prime.
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Im glad you acknowledge that being 40yrs old is a bad thing in sports combat. That invalidates half of Stipe's wins. Congrats.
 
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