Khabib's singles a threat? A humbling analysis. How footwork/Conor stepping to outside angle NEGATES

[fortheo]

Prologic mentioned me in a post.


Fuck my life.

 

[ANIM4L]

Why don't you post this in the striking sub-forum if you want a debate amongst others who know more about striking than you do?

You are just a tryhard that wants to appear intelligent. Rather than watching BJJ Scout's latest videos about Nurmagomedov and McGregor and paraphrasing it, why not produce something original...

Their videos are so biased. Anyways, this is MMA not boxing and those fundamentals arent going to mean shit when Khabib starts wrestling him.

 

[It Just Is]

I don't think that's his most serious threat. Imagine a fighter he simply can't hold down or control on the mat and is a sniper striker? It is theoretically possible. A guy like Whitaker would be a nightmare for Khabib. No, Whitaker would not out grapple Khabib, impossible, but he could escape or reverse Khabib enough to get up and have the fight back on the feet. Khabib could also burn himself out and get tired from grappling, make avoiding TDs and standing back up easier. I don't think Conor has these kind of skills because he hasn't spent enough time on the mat, but footwork and using angles is better than nothing, I suppose.

 

[ThefGabbana]

great read

 

[The Schmoop]

@fortheo
@Mysterio
@The Schmoop

I imagine I’ve been tagged since you’ve read my ramblings on swing singles which I remain firm on for multiple reasons.

The swing single is safe as it keeps Khabib low and out of Conor’s power. Khabib doesn’t have to finish the single in order for this to be successful. If Conor steps out and Khabib is able to secure a body lock, Conor is fucked. If Conor steps out, and is forced off balance whether against the cage or not, he’s fucked. Khabibs chains and scrambles are the best in business. Anytime Conor is off balance, it’s great for Khabib. Swings are great for Khabib as they offer multiple windows for Khabib while Conor his minimal chances of landing anything significant.

I don’t want this to sound like I’m suggesting that all Khabib has to do is show up with one trained takedown because I’m not. I believe Khabib is in more trouble than people want to believe the longer this fight remains standing. I don’t like anything Khabib does to set up takedowns in relation to a match up with Conor. I believe he’s getting slept if he doesn’t implement something different. Conor is too sharp.

 

[The Schmoop]

You’re happy to note that Mendes is a midget to downplay him, but not so eager to acknowledge that Conor had a badly injured leg in that fight.

No. No he didn’t lol

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Before we get into the meat of things we must first understand the dynamics of a southpaw vs orthodox matchup.

Firstly, remember, the stances are simply mirror images of each of other. What ever an orthodox can do, the southpaw can do, and vice versa.

Any "pre-fight advantages" lie in the fact that there are less southpaws out there, so orthodox fighters are not as well versed in facing southpaws, where as a southpaw will have much more experience facing orthodox opponents.

(The only southpaw on this planet who seems to struggle often against orthodox fighters is Kelvin Gastelum)



A dynamic between southpaw vs orthodox is the battle of feet positioning


Firstly, there is the outside angle and the Inside angle (also T-position which is typically the worst position anyone can find themselfes in)

Now even though the inside angle is not the best position you want to be in.

• From the Inside angle your jab hand does align perfectly with your opponents head. You can step in to the inside with your jab. Step back out, never reach with It, and always bring it back (the glarring mistakes Rockhold made vs Bisping). Its however great to step to the outside and drop your jab hand down on your opponent over his leadhand (lead hook or with like a jab/hook variant)

• Masterminds Like Floyd and Conor will willingly give up the outside angle as bait to lure an opponent into a counter. Roy Jones also did this. As soon as they see - or feel the step out, they know the power hand is coming behind the step out, and they are ready to slip and counter

So conventional wisdom can be broken and is often used as bait by masterminds like Floyd and Conor


However, southpaw vs orthodox fights typically become a battle for the outside positioning

Both can step their foot outside the opponents lead leg to attain the outside angle.

This lines up the power hand while putting your head off the center.

Now this is where we begin.


2. Orthodox vs southpaw does mean that the lead leg is closer to the leadhand and therefore the singles are there. HOWEVER as we just talked about the outside angle, Conor simply stepping to his right - and stepping to the outside angle, will negate any single legs.

When a southpaw steps his foot to the outside angle, any possibilities of grabbing the single are out the window. You have to reach across your body to do so.

I will now begin to show you examples of how masterful Conor is at setting up his steps outs and utilising the outside angle


Here is an example of Conor's unpredictable rhythm+footwork, where he's always keeping opponents guessing, leading opponents around to where he wants them, and gets them walking into the shots he wants.

"Im here, nope im here, here have an offbeat left straight for your troubles, oh you think thats all, boom, lead uppercut, now I step to the outside angle and drop another left on that ass"

Here is Conor with a lead uppercut into the step out, to line up his left from the outside angle...and then just like that, Conor is back out of range

Show me, anywhere in those sequences where the opponent had the ability to grab Conor's leadleg?

Furthermore, one of Khabib's biggest weaknesses is in his footwork, especially when facing southpaws.

That exchanged happened because Johnson stepped to the outside angle

When facing southpaws Khabib seems to often times have no awareness of feet positioning or an understanding of angles. And you will see more cases of that in his fight against Tibau. Go watch it.


Not only will Conor stepping to the outside angle, negate any single leg pulls, while lining up and landing his lefts/combos (like usual)

Conor is also a master at walking opponents away from his leadleg and toward his power hand

Conor is a master at positioning opponents around to where he wants them, when he wants them.

Here is an example

Here Conor probes his lead hand as a blinder/distraction, then shoots a jab behind it. It may not seem like much, but pay attention to how it pushes Alvarez out of range and gets Alvarez circling back toward Conor's left


Another example

Jab then push kick. Again to back Alvarez out of range (range control) and to get Alvarez to move where he wanted him to (back circling toward his left)


What people are still failing to realise is that fighting starts at the footwork level

Khabib needs to be able to penetrate Conor's footwork and range control first before he can even begin to start to do anything.

There's a reason why Alvarez was never able to grab Conor's leadleg. Because Conor never allowed it with his footwork and range control.

Conor was constantly moving Alaverz away from his leadleg and toward his left with footwork/fients/jabs/front kick

Think of it as a chess board and Conor is Bobby Fischer positioning opponents around to where he wants them

The only TD oppurtunities Alvarez had were level change shoots/doubles etc

Watch how Conor has his right hand on Alvarez neck to control him and come over the top with the left, then breaks away

Conor WILL make you pay for anything - from any range and any position..

You shoot in on Conor you better complete the TD because Conor will make you pay with strikes in transition or on the breakaway


3. Here is a dynamic of a southpaw vs orthodox match up that plays a far greater role then people realize. Southpaw vs orthodox puts the leadhands at a natural interference with each other.

This is a huge advantage for Conor since Conor has the best leadhand game in MMA. It's Conor's game to want to shut down the jab hand and or draw out right hand responses to counter etc


This puts Conor in a prime position to shut down Khabib's jabhand with leadhand control

Conor can quickly render Khabib a 1 armed fighter


And considering how rudimentary a striker Khabib is, Conor can start forcing out right hand responses, on his terms, off his leadhand control, to counter. Like below

Leadhand control to lockdown the jab hand and force out the right to counter


And as you saw in the Alvarez gif, when an opponent doesn't bite on responding with the right hand when Conor wants it, Conor will mix it up on the fly and switch to using his leadhand as distractionary devices - and his jabs as blinders to disguise for the leads on those patented Conor off-beats when opponents aren't expecting

The 2 biggest battles in any opposite stance match up are the feet and the leadhands....These all widely favor Conor....and especially when Khabib himself has such poor footwork, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together here to see what is most likely to happen.

I just hope the same people shitting on Conor now, give Conor his full credit after the fact

PROLOGIC has done it again! While I don't believe Sherdoggers deserve your hard-earned time and knowledge, it's great to see you give them some much needed schooling.

 

[NotoriousMillions]

Why don't you post this in the striking sub-forum if you want a debate amongst others who know more about striking than you do?

You are just a tryhard that wants to appear intelligent. Rather than watching BJJ Scout's latest videos about Nurmagomedov and McGregor and paraphrasing it, why not produce something original...

Don't be angry at him just because he knows a lot more about MMA than you.

 

[gb@Trumpski]

Besides, there's the Floyd fight which gives a lot regarding in how to stop Mcg's striking from a boxer's POV; at lesat with that footage Mendes (khabib's coach) can find a way to escape Mcg's footwork.

did u come across any videos of this?

 

[The Schmoop]

Use your words, boy.

 

[MEAN357]

connors got great footwork but i can see bib grabbin that lead leg in conors karate\boxing esque stance all day. Then again mcg might be able to angle off and light him up with combinations like hes so good at doing.....fucking interesting fight im 50-50 on it just because khabibs striking is at least as bad as conors ground game.

wrestler usually takes this kinda matchup but yeah conors got good enough footwork he might be able to pl ay keep away, every second it stays standing is a bad time for bib

 

[Ares Black]

TS is clearly mentally ill.
And knows fuck-all about fighting, but really wishes he did.

 

[ncboy]

Conor has never faced a fighter like Khabib. Mendes was the only wrestler, and he is significantly smaller and had 2 weeks notice. Eddie is overrated, undersized and gets hit a lot. Max was like 12 years old and 7-3, not the monster he is now.

Khabib has also never faced anyone like Conor.

That's what makes it so intriguing.

 

[IBeLurkin]

Before we get into the meat of things we must first understand the dynamics of a southpaw vs orthodox matchup.

Firstly, remember, the stances are simply mirror images of each of other. What ever an orthodox can do, the southpaw can do, and vice versa.

Any "pre-fight advantages" lie in the fact that there are less southpaws out there, so orthodox fighters are not as well versed in facing southpaws, where as a southpaw will have much more experience facing orthodox opponents.

(The only southpaw on this planet who seems to struggle often against orthodox fighters is Kelvin Gastelum)



A dynamic between southpaw vs orthodox is the battle of feet positioning


Firstly, there is the outside angle and the Inside angle (also T-position which is typically the worst position anyone can find themselfes in)

Now even though the inside angle is not the best position you want to be in.

• From the Inside angle your jab hand does align perfectly with your opponents head. You can step in to the inside with your jab. Step back out, never reach with It, and always bring it back (the glarring mistakes Rockhold made vs Bisping). Its however great to step to the outside and drop your jab hand down on your opponent over his leadhand (lead hook or with like a jab/hook variant)

• Masterminds Like Floyd and Conor will willingly give up the outside angle as bait to lure an opponent into a counter. Roy Jones also did this. As soon as they see - or feel the step out, they know the power hand is coming behind the step out, and they are ready to slip and counter

So conventional wisdom can be broken and is often used as bait by masterminds like Floyd and Conor


However, southpaw vs orthodox fights typically become a battle for the outside positioning

Both can step their foot outside the opponents lead leg to attain the outside angle.

This lines up the power hand while putting your head off the center.

Now this is where we begin.


2. Orthodox vs southpaw does mean that the lead leg is closer to the leadhand and therefore the singles are there. HOWEVER as we just talked about the outside angle, Conor simply stepping to his right - and stepping to the outside angle, will negate any single legs.

When a southpaw steps his foot to the outside angle, any possibilities of grabbing the single are out the window. You have to reach across your body to do so.

I will now begin to show you examples of how masterful Conor is at setting up his steps outs and utilising the outside angle


Here is an example of Conor's unpredictable rhythm+footwork, where he's always keeping opponents guessing, leading opponents around to where he wants them, and gets them walking into the shots he wants.

"Im here, nope im here, here have an offbeat left straight for your troubles, oh you think thats all, boom, lead uppercut, now I step to the outside angle and drop another left on that ass"

Here is Conor with a lead uppercut into the step out, to line up his left from the outside angle...and then just like that, Conor is back out of range

Show me, anywhere in those sequences where the opponent had the ability to grab Conor's leadleg?

Furthermore, one of Khabib's biggest weaknesses is in his footwork, especially when facing southpaws.

That exchanged happened because Johnson stepped to the outside angle

When facing southpaws Khabib seems to often times have no awareness of feet positioning or an understanding of angles. And you will see more cases of that in his fight against Tibau. Go watch it.


Not only will Conor stepping to the outside angle, negate any single leg pulls, while lining up and landing his lefts/combos (like usual)

Conor is also a master at walking opponents away from his leadleg and toward his power hand

Conor is a master at positioning opponents around to where he wants them, when he wants them.

Here is an example

Here Conor probes his lead hand as a blinder/distraction, then shoots a jab behind it. It may not seem like much, but pay attention to how it pushes Alvarez out of range and gets Alvarez circling back toward Conor's left


Another example

Jab then push kick. Again to back Alvarez out of range (range control) and to get Alvarez to move where he wanted him to (back circling toward his left)


What people are still failing to realise is that fighting starts at the footwork level

Khabib needs to be able to penetrate Conor's footwork and range control first before he can even begin to start to do anything.

There's a reason why Alvarez was never able to grab Conor's leadleg. Because Conor never allowed it with his footwork and range control.

Conor was constantly moving Alaverz away from his leadleg and toward his left with footwork/fients/jabs/front kick

Think of it as a chess board and Conor is Bobby Fischer positioning opponents around to where he wants them

The only TD oppurtunities Alvarez had were level change shoots/doubles etc

Watch how Conor has his right hand on Alvarez neck to control him and come over the top with the left, then breaks away

Conor WILL make you pay for anything - from any range and any position..

You shoot in on Conor you better complete the TD because Conor will make you pay with strikes in transition or on the breakaway


3. Here is a dynamic of a southpaw vs orthodox match up that plays a far greater role then people realize. Southpaw vs orthodox puts the leadhands at a natural interference with each other.

This is a huge advantage for Conor since Conor has the best leadhand game in MMA. It's Conor's game to want to shut down the jab hand and or draw out right hand responses to counter etc


This puts Conor in a prime position to shut down Khabib's jabhand with leadhand control

Conor can quickly render Khabib a 1 armed fighter


And considering how rudimentary a striker Khabib is, Conor can start forcing out right hand responses, on his terms, off his leadhand control, to counter. Like below

Leadhand control to lockdown the jab hand and force out the right to counter


And as you saw in the Alvarez gif, when an opponent doesn't bite on responding with the right hand when Conor wants it, Conor will mix it up on the fly and switch to using his leadhand as distractionary devices - and his jabs as blinders to disguise for the leads on those patented Conor off-beats when opponents aren't expecting

The 2 biggest battles in any opposite stance match up are the feet and the leadhands....These all widely favor Conor....and especially when Khabib himself has such poor footwork, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together here to see what is most likely to happen.

I just hope the same people shitting on Conor now, give Conor his full credit after the fact

Shitty wrestler Nate Diaz has taken down conor multiple times.

Khabib will certainly take him down, and make it look easy.

You're a biased, flawed, wanna be striking analyst, and your grappling analysis is even worse. This boxing footwork has little to do with how Khabib will work his takedowns.

You talk about how conor likes to and regularly gives up the outside angle, and then argue that he won't do that now. It's just a poorly laid out analysis, as usual from you and your last 4 accounts that got banned for your ridiculous conor loving posts and absurd arguments.

Khabib can surely take conor down with single legs if he so chooses. Khabib can take him down with clinches or shots, because he's just a vastly superior wrestler and judo player.

All you need to see to figure that out is to watch Nate taking conor down, which shows how laughably bad conor's TDD is.

 

[TapMachine]

You're ignoring one thing, OP: Khabib doesn't need to take Conor down with the single, he just needs to get a hold of Conor to succeed. You know why? Because Khabib is a master of takedowns from the clinch and grabbing the foot when shooting for the single allows Khabib to work his way up even if he fails the actual takedown, but still grabs the foot. If Khabib gets the TD via shooting for the single leg - great. If not, he still has the hold on Conor's leg and can transition into the clinch and THEN take him down. All Khabib needs is to get his hands on Conor one way or another.

 

[flairleguccijoints]

Ha, there’s multilevel dick riding and white knighting going on in this thread. Op with his usual marathon BJ on Conor, and then his squire showed up.

 

[Ares Black]

Don't be angry at him just because he knows a lot more about MMA than you.

Except that this thread is nonsense.

 

[The Schmoop]

O that was meant to be you. I don’t have any words for you because I don’t bother with taking people who deny reality seriously. It’s well documented that Conor had a badly injured leg, if you want to play pretend that it’s all a conspiracy I’ll leave you to it.

Well documented you say? So much so that the commission never caught wind of this well documented, “shredded” ACL? You’re adorable. Bless your heart. Let me know what disability you suffer from and I’ll be glad to donate to charity in its name. Your bravery has inspired me.

 

[mposhtkouhi]

Hey sherdog has a draftkings group every event we do a 15 person top 2 get paid 10 dollar entry if any1 wants to do it let me know ill add u?

 

[ANIM4L]

Well documented you say? So much so that the commission never caught wind of this well documented, “shredded” ACL? You’re adorable. Bless your heart. Let me know what disability you suffer from and I’ll be glad to donate to charity in its name. Your bravery has inspired me.

self diagnosed 80% tear, no surgery needed... if you believe that.