Khabib's singles a threat? A humbling analysis. How footwork/Conor stepping to outside angle NEGATES

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  1. PROlogic

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    Before we get into the meat of things we must first understand the dynamics of a southpaw vs orthodox matchup.

    Firstly, remember, the stances are simply mirror images of each of other. What ever an orthodox can do, the southpaw can do, and vice versa.

    Any "pre-fight advantages" lie in the fact that there are less southpaws out there, so orthodox fighters are not as well versed in facing southpaws, where as a southpaw will have much more experience facing orthodox opponents.

    (The only southpaw on this planet who seems to struggle often against orthodox fighters is Kelvin Gastelum)



    A dynamic between southpaw vs orthodox is the battle of feet positioning


    Firstly, there is the outside angle and the Inside angle (also T-position which is typically the worst position anyone can find themselfes in)

    Now even though the inside angle is not the best position you want to be in.

    • From the Inside angle your jab hand does align perfectly with your opponents head. You can step in to the inside with your jab. Step back out, never reach with It, and always bring it back (the glarring mistakes Rockhold made vs Bisping). Its however great to step to the outside and drop your jab hand down on your opponent over his leadhand (lead hook or with like a jab/hook variant)

    • Masterminds Like Floyd and Conor will willingly give up the outside angle as bait to lure an opponent into a counter. Roy Jones also did this. As soon as they see - or feel the step out, they know the power hand is coming behind the step out, and they are ready to slip and counter

    So conventional wisdom can be broken and is often used as bait by masterminds like Floyd and Conor


    However, southpaw vs orthodox fights typically become a battle for the outside positioning

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    Both can step their foot outside the opponents lead leg to attain the outside angle.

    This lines up the power hand while putting your head off the center.

    Now this is where we begin.


    2. Orthodox vs southpaw does mean that the lead leg is closer to the leadhand and therefore the singles are there. HOWEVER as we just talked about the outside angle, Conor simply stepping to his right - and stepping to the outside angle, will negate any single legs.

    When a southpaw steps his foot to the outside angle, any possibilities of grabbing the single are out the window. You have to reach across your body to do so.

    I will now begin to show you examples of how masterful Conor is at setting up his steps outs and utilising the outside angle


    Here is an example of Conor's unpredictable rhythm+footwork, where he's always keeping opponents guessing, leading opponents around to where he wants them, and gets them walking into the shots he wants.

    "Im here, nope im here, here have an offbeat left straight for your troubles, oh you think thats all, boom, lead uppercut, now I step to the outside angle and drop another left on that ass"
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    Here is Conor with a lead uppercut into the step out, to line up his left from the outside angle...and then just like that, Conor is back out of range

    Show me, anywhere in those sequences where the opponent had the ability to grab Conor's leadleg?

    Furthermore, one of Khabib's biggest weaknesses is in his footwork, especially when facing southpaws.

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    Khabib reaching with his leadhand

    But that exchanged happened because Johnson had stepped to the outside angle. Khabib has been caught engaging opponents who already had the outside step on him without realizing it.

    When facing southpaws Khabib seems to often times have no awareness of feet positioning or any basic understanding of angles. And you will see more cases of that in his fight against Tibau. Go watch it.


    Not only will Conor stepping to the outside angle, negate any single leg pulls, while lining up and landing his lefts/combos (like usual)

    Conor is also a master at walking opponents away from his leadleg and toward his power hand

    Conor is a master at positioning opponents around to where he wants them, when he wants them.

    Here is an example
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    Here Conor probes his lead hand as a blinder/distraction, then shoots a jab behind it. It may not seem like much, but pay attention to how it pushes Alvarez out of range and gets Alvarez circling back toward Conor's left


    Another example
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    Jab then push kick. Again to back Alvarez out of range (range control) and to get Alvarez to move where he wanted him to (back circling toward his left)


    What people are still failing to realise is that fighting starts at the footwork level

    Khabib needs to be able to penetrate Conor's footwork and range control first before he can even begin to start to do anything.


    There's a reason why Alvarez was never able to grab Conor's leadleg. Because Conor never allowed it with his footwork and range control.

    Conor was constantly moving Alaverz away from his leadleg and toward his left with footwork/fients/jabs/front kick

    Think of it as a chess board and Conor is Bobby Fischer positioning opponents around to where he wants them

    The only TD oppurtunities Alvarez had were level change shoots/doubles etc

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    Watch how Conor has his right hand on Alvarez neck to control him and come over the top with the left, then breaks away

    Conor WILL make you pay for anything - from any range and any position..

    You shoot in on Conor you better complete the TD because Conor will make you pay with strikes in transition or on the breakaway


    3. Here is a dynamic of a southpaw vs orthodox match up that plays a far greater role then people realize. Southpaw vs orthodox puts the leadhands at a natural interference with each other.


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    This is a huge advantage for Conor since Conor has the best leadhand game in MMA. It's Conor's game to want to shut down the jab hand and or draw out right hand responses to counter etc


    This puts Conor in a prime position to shut down Khabib's jabhand with leadhand control

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    Conor can quickly render Khabib a 1 armed fighter


    And considering how rudimentary a striker Khabib is, Conor can start forcing out right hand responses, on his terms, off his leadhand control, to counter. Like below

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    Leadhand control to lockdown the jab hand and force out the right to counter


    And as you saw in the Alvarez gif, when an opponent doesn't bite on responding with the right hand when Conor wants it, Conor will mix it up on the fly and switch to using his leadhand as distractionary devices - and his jabs as blinders to disguise for the leads on those patented Conor off-beats when opponents aren't expecting

    The 2 biggest battles in any opposite stance match up are the feet and the leadhands....These all widely favor Conor....and especially when Khabib himself has such poor footwork, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together here to see what is most likely to happen.

    I just hope the same people shitting on Conor now, give Conor his full credit. Don't start suddenly discrediting Khabib after the fact in order to avoid giving Conor any credit
     
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  2. PROlogic

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    Psuedo fanboy fight knowledge and delusional nonsensical rambling imo

    So the best wrestler in MMA won't be able to take down..... wait for it... Conor McGegor?<45>because of "like footwork and stuff." If only it were that simple.
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    You're smoking gun here seems to be Alvarez, who was concussed, rocked and shook when he attempted half assed td's on Conor and he's not 1/10th the wrestler Khabib is and he even managed to back and clinch Conor into the cage after being dropped repeatedly. Diaz outwrestled and outgrappled Conor ffs. There are levels to this game.

    You seem also to be ignoring the fact that:

    [​IMG]Your example shows Conor ending This is pretty much the worst place Conor can go with Khabib. It won’t matter that he didn’t finish the single, because he will clinch and trip or toss him. - credit to Ronda's pillow

    Most of the other gifs you used are completely irrelevant to your point, which is unclear through all of of your rambling.

    Conor faced one wrestler in his entire UFC career, who also happened to be a fw, and he got taken down 4 times in two rounds and controlled.

    He's not some master of defensive wrestling or grappling, he's one of the weakest in the division who has been given stylistically favorable matchups.

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  4. YellowBanenoo

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    There was this retard who were saying Conor's footwork is shit because he only moves in and out.
     
  5. pbateman

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    you should spend your time doing more rewarding things, like drugs,

    like a normal person.
     
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    Diunx Banned Banned

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    I totally read all that.
     
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    Good read. Thanks TS.
     
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    There's a possibility THIS would work in a real situation.


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  10. ArtemV

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    Why don't you post this in the striking sub-forum if you want a debate amongst others who know more about striking than you do?

    You are just a tryhard that wants to appear intelligent. Rather than watching BJJ Scout's latest videos about Nurmagomedov and McGregor and paraphrasing it, why not produce something original...
     
  11. fedoriswar37

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    That max GIF is awful. If conor even half ass attempts a strike like that his coaches better get fired. Thats asking to get takwn down. Once again you cherry pick a few sequences to try and prove a point
     
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    Conor got tossed around by Midget Mendez before Mendez gassed. Khabib is going to absolutely wreck him.
     
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  13. alaskamma

    alaskamma Risk it for the biscuit

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    You couldn’t have just said you really love Conor and been done with it?
     
  14. Anura Salientia

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    You’re happy to note that Mendes is a midget to downplay him, but not so eager to acknowledge that Conor had a badly injured leg in that fight.
     
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    <Y2JSmirk>
    I understand Conor tends makes things look so easy like he is in a sparring session.
     
  16. ColombianFist

    ColombianFist "Es mejor ser rico que ser pobre"

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    That might happen if Khabib lets Mcg to keep his range and timing. Khabib knows this and he will get the clinch immediately. Besides, there's the Floyd fight which gives a lot regarding in how to stop Mcg's striking from a boxer's POV; at lesat with that footage Mendes (khabib's coach) can find a way to escape Mcg's footwork.
     
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    I actually read everything and I approve. Interesting stuff.
     
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    Mysterio Banned Banned

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    And you're eager to avoid the fact that he had a two week training camp and ragdolled Conor, the only wrestler he's faced in his career.
     
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  19. Anura Salientia

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    Lmao that’s not how this works. You’re responding to a post correcting an analysis you made, not the other way around. I’m happy to acknowledge all the facts of the fight, including the fact that Conor won. You’re clearly not.
     
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    I quoted you simply to repost that really large post you just made.
     

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