Kevin Nash on WWE vs UFC

Do you agree with Kevin Nash on this topic?

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Frank23 said:


Kevin Nash says that the UFC is hurting the pro wrestling business. What are your thoughts on this?
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Any other vids from 9+ years ago that you want to post Frank?

;)

Just busting balls!
 
dude with Conor avatar posting about pro wrestling. shocking.
 
FrankieNYC said:
Any other vids from 9+ years ago that you want to post Frank?

;)

Just busting balls!
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Beat me to it.

That interview is old as shit. It's one of the first shoot videos I remember watching on Youtube.
 
ejazahmednit said:
Attendance, i was talking about attendance
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TBF, WWE does do insane number for Mania, but a lot of it are families.
MMA would never get that.
Also, UFC might not do as many seats, but they generally have higher ticket prices.
Really tough tot compare the two.
 
Vinny Mac realized this and started catering his product more towards children. The guy is a freaking genius if you think about it. People in pro wrestling thought the whole business would go under once it was exposed once and for all as being a work, but VInce made it hotter than ever and turned his promotion into a multi-million dollar conglomerate. Every time something has come up that should have really fucked him up - Billionaire Ted going up against him, losing some of his top superstars, scandals, trials, the rise of the UFC - he always survives and keeps somehow making big money.
 
I recently spent some time in India and damn that wwe shit is huge there. But then again, there are lots of retards in India
 
FrankieNYC said:
TBF, WWE does do insane number for Mania, but a lot of it are families.
MMA would never get that.
Also, UFC might not do as many seats, but they generally have higher ticket prices.
Really tough tot compare the two.
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just what i wanted to say, both are not eating into each others' fan base, if we look from a distance, wierdly wrestling prepares a basis for mma fans , its a natural transition
 
Bend NvR Break said:
Why watch fake fighting when you can watch real fighting?
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You could also say why watch scripted TV shows like Sopranos, The Wire when you could watch reality TV like Keeping up with the Cardassians. Real doesn't always mean better.
 
Brock Tober said:
Disagree. Apples and oranges. Also, wrestling has SUCKED for years and is truly dying, and that has nothing to do with MMA.
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This. There is some overlap of wrestling and MMA fans. But few MMA fans become wrestling fans because of MMA; likewise few professional wrestling fans become MMA fans because of professional wrestling. I'm pretty sure pro wrestling is struggling presently because of a multitude of issues: $9.99 every month for each ppv, the social stigma of being a WWE fan, and the increasingly lame story lines (though I'm not really sure if the story lines have really diminished since the "Attitude Era" because I was quite young back then.)
 
WWE being horrible is what's hurting the WWE.
 
mbach4307 said:
I stopped watching the first time when I found out..wait for it..that it was fake. And no, WWF is not still real to me damnit!!!

I watched for a short time in late 99 early 2000, but only because that shit was comedy. But fake fights can only entertain for so long.
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You must only watch documentary movies then...
 
I think Nash's point is well taken that pro wrestling should not really emulate/incorporate MMA elements to the extent that it becomes an imitation and a pale one at that. I have no gripe with occasional incorporation of the elements- when Lesnar came back to WWE from the UFC, he definitely was using things like double leg takedowns and simulated ground and pound and it actually looked convincing.

But think of someone like the Undertaker- big MMA fan- when he started doing the gogoplata, it was a nice touch/reference, but it didn't look particularly good because- well he's not choking the guy so it really isn't going to look like he is.

Guys like Bret Hart though- some of the dudes who came out of the Stu Hart Dungeon had a grappling style that almost had a shoot-like feel to it. To me- that type of style is where you see some parallels between MMA and pro wrestling.

But to Nash's point WWE doesn't and absolutely shouldn't try to be MMA-esque. WWE's best advantage as an entertainment platform is the fact that because everything is pre-determined and the "fights" are essentially choreographed by two individuals or more, you can try to construe things in a way to tell a decent story and make things entertaining for the audience. That includes things that would not possibly make sense in an actual fight such as doing high-flying shit and what not. Trying to ground things in reality by emulating MMA wouldn't work for the particular forum as it would just promote comparisons and highlight the fact that WWE will always be on the shorter end because it is not an actual athletic competition.
 
It's like comparing Boxing to a Rocky Movie. The only difference is that Rocky movies are entertaining.
 
King Joffery said:
You could also say why watch scripted TV shows like Sopranos, The Wire when you could watch reality TV like Keeping up with the Cardassians. Real doesn't always mean better.
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I don't watch reality TV. Haven't for years
 
Bend NvR Break said:
I don't watch reality TV. Haven't for years
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Neither do I, its mostly crap. My point was that scripted stuff can be more entertaining than reality. Not that I've watched WWE in years but it offers the viewer something UFC generally doesn't, storylines, more entertaining characters, promos etc.
 
I used to watch pro wrestling right around the time I believed in Santa Claus. For the life of me, I cannot understand how adults watch that garbage.
 
This interview is from 2007.

Good try Frank.
 
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