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Keosawa's Powerlifting Log

It's interesting to see how your training has changed and simplified.

So, possibly unanswerable question. You seem to be getting a lot out of Smolov/Smolov Jr, which is simpler programming, higher volume and low intensity. Do you think you could have switched to this type of programming earlier and got such good gains, or do you think it was necessary to do what you were doing before in order to get these results?

This is indeed a massive question, but I'll venture a response:

I'll try to attack this in reverse, by first looking at high-volume programming and delineating the attributes that are most useful for a lifter in being successful with this approach. If you're going to run high-volume programming indefinitely--i.e. for longer than a single three-week cycle--the following may or may not be useful:

- Ability to recover. This goes without saying, and it includes 1.) uncommon commitment to recovery and 2.) work capacity. This is only possible psychologically for most people once there is something "at stake" in their training. Most casual trainees will not willingly eat a particular diet, be in early every night for a full night's sleep, and do all of the necessary preventative/recovery work to maximize their training, because such things require a strong commitment.

Work capacity takes years to develop, which is why most lifters on high-volume programs have considerable experience. Surviving the myriad potential overuse hiccups of such programming is made easier through lots of experience. This is I suppose true at a physiological level when you start to talk about tendon and ligament strength, bone density, etc.

- Technical proficiency. If a lifter's technique regularly breaks down in a fatigued state, one of two things will likely happen when training with high volume: the lifter will either work through and develop their technical weakness until it is no longer apparent, or (more likely), the lifter will get hurt.

- Technical efficiency. Efficiency could refer both to motor-pattern efficiency and rate of force development. Advanced lifters perform movements in a fast and efficient manner, and I believe that this in turn makes recovery easier for them because they don't accumulate the same level of fatigue, and that fatigue is evenly proportioned throughout major muscle groups. Take a slow-ish squatter who GMs out of the hole: run a high-volume squatting program and that lifter's lumbar will likely be fried early on. Fatigue accumulates, which causes the GMing to become more severe, which leads to more disproportionate fatigue, which leads to even slower, grinded reps, and so on. Lifters like this usually, from the logs I've read, either magically catch their second wind towards the end of the program and see the results of the training, or they get hurt.

Most intermediate lifters have obvious weaknesses in their strength curve, or become good at grinding out weights. I'm not the most experienced lifter, but my RPE@9 sets on the squat, bench press, and deadlift look very different from other intermediates in that I don't suffer the same level of slowdown or technical breakdown. That's not to say that my technique is perfect on these lifts, but I'm at least consistently bad in certain respects, and my technique does not deteriorate much as I fatigue.

So, if these are the qualities that one needs to take full advantage of high-volume training, then I would say that this is indeed the right time and the right occasion for me to start. Earlier in my lifting career, I didn't possess these qualities. Going through wave periodization and conjugate training helped me shore up weaknesses and improve rate of force development. And those years of training certainly benefited my work capacity. So I can't say for sure, but I feel like this is the right time for me to be turning to higher-volume training. In previous years, I'd probably be able to run a three-week cycle just fine, but I doubt I'd be able to repeat it, with success.
 
Number of bar lifts performed in all three intensity ranges (and in all three lifts) from 1/22-2/22:

70-79%: 503
80-89%: 417
90-100+%: 13
 
Quick questions...I didn't really look but did you use your actual max for squats and bench during smolov cycles? What do you plan on doing during your deload weeks? After finishing a cycle how long did you wait before testing for a new 1rm?

O and how's the book coming along?
 
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Quick questions...I didn't really look but did you use your actual max for squats and bench during smolov cycles? What do you plan on doing during your deload weeks? After finishing a cycle how long did you wait before testing for a new 1rm?

O and how's the book coming along?

For bench, yes. For my second wave, I used more than my max and adjusted the rep scheme to even out the RPEs. My modified Smolov JR. is:

(repxset)

Monday, 7x6
Tuesday, 6x7
Thursday, 3x8
Saturday, 2x10

It's allowed me to use percentages that exceed my 1RM and still handle it well, since I only added five pounds on my bench for the first wave and couldn't recalculate with a new max and get different numbers (305 and 310 would give me essentially the same three-week numbers).

For squat, I used an estimate that was a little low, since I hadn't squatted heavy without knee wraps in a long time. My guess is I took maybe 5% off.

I don't plan on deloading for bench this time. I'm going to run it again immediately. I did the same for squat, and I'd still be squatting if not for my ribs.

When I did test my 1RM for bench, I think I tested three days after I finished the cycle. I just got bored and didn't want to wait any longer.

And the book is stalled, lol. Other things are keeping me busy.
 
Yo nice work in here madman.

I found a gym with a reverse hyper the other day. Would it be a good idea to sets of like 10 inbetween all sets on my lower days for rehab (lower back). No weight just BW sets. At the bottom position I could really feel my spine decompressing and really don't see the point in adding weight if im not using it for strength or muscle gains. I did go up to 50lbs and it was hard lol.
 
Yo nice work in here madman.

I found a gym with a reverse hyper the other day. Would it be a good idea to sets of like 10 inbetween all sets on my lower days for rehab (lower back). No weight just BW sets. At the bottom position I could really feel my spine decompressing and really don't see the point in adding weight if im not using it for strength or muscle gains. I did go up to 50lbs and it was hard lol.

I know Louie Simmons advocates doing these both before and after lower-body training sessions; he believes they also have therapeutic value. So yes, I think it would be a good idea if you feel better after using it.
 
So, if these are the qualities that one needs to take full advantage of high-volume training, then I would say that this is indeed the right time and the right occasion for me to start.

Great answer, thanks.
 
Yeah, that was a great answer to a great question.
 
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At the risk of sounding redundant, I enjoyed your eloquent and elegant answer to a very important training question that we all face. Thanks, Keo. I think it's one of the top ten things I've read coming from you. Very thoughtful and observant.
 
Thanks for taking the time to type that out Keo. awesome.

How would you say would be the best way to figuring out when someone has built up the capacity to be able to consistantly do that type of volume training? is it basically when this becomes the case? Or do you have any other "markers" of proficiency and work capacity.

but my RPE@9 sets on the squat, bench press, and deadlift look very different from other intermediates in that I don't suffer the same level of slowdown or technical breakdown. That's not to say that my technique is perfect on these lifts, but I'm at least consistently bad in certain respects, and my technique does not deteriorate much as I fatigue.
 
Thanks for taking the time to type that out Keo. awesome.

How would you say would be the best way to figuring out when someone has built up the capacity to be able to consistantly do that type of volume training? is it basically when this becomes the case? Or do you have any other "markers" of proficiency and work capacity.

Well, listen, "high-volume" training is a relative construct, not an absolute one. What I mean here is that what constitutes high volume for you might not be the same for me, and so forth. I say that I'm using a "higher-volume" approach to training, but that is only because my volume currently is high relative to external standards (i.e. the performance of others), and I have no control over these. The adjective "high", when fixed to volume, intensity, or exertion, usually contains the valence of unsustainability. So, when someone says they're training with high _____, the implication is that this type of training cannot be sustained. Because I feel I can sustain my current level of volume--or something close to it--I don't consider it to be "high" in this respect.

So, here's what I'm trying to say: 1.) "high" volume shouldn't refer to an absolute number, but a relative one. "High" volume is volume greater than what you're currently experiencing, not X number of bar lifts per month. 2.) "High" connotes unsustainability because the increase in volume is a new stimulus that extends beyond your capacity to simply adapt to it.

So, if you're using what you consider to be high-volume training, you're not going to have the capacity to sustain it. Put in other terms, look at three-week high-volume programs like Smolov: those who experience this type of programming as "high" volume yield a.) the greatest short-term gains and b.) the greatest subsequent drop in maximal strength.

We have an intermediate-level lifter with a 255-lb. bench press max who ran Smolov Jr. Prior to this, his volume was very low, so the discrepancy between his previous volume and that of Jr. was cavernous. He tested his max at 295 lbs. at the end. He then did a meet a while later and, after not having done Jr. for a while and bringing the volume back down, failed 286 lbs. at the meet.

The tremendous 40-lb. gain was catalyzed by the discrepancy in volume, but so was the pendulum swing back to a sub-286-lb. bench press. For him, Smolov Jr. was "high" volume training.

I ran Jr. and put 5 lbs. on my max; I then re-ran it without too much difficulty. My swing was very small, but the swing back was virtually non-existent. For me, Smolov Jr. was "higher" in volume, but I wouldn't say it was "high" volume.

So, how does one know when X volume is sustainable? I think the clearest indication would first be the amount of progress one makes while on it, and the amount one's strength atrophies once off of it. This might sound paradoxical, but the less you benefit in the short-term from high-volume training, the more likely it will be sustainable long-term for you.

If you want to sustain higher-volume training indefinitely, the best way is to keep track of your volume over a long (multi-year) period of time and increase volume over slow increments. Some sort of loading/deloading scheme at a macro level would work best, and this could even conceivably be done by switching between more and less volume-heavy programming.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the positive feedback--I didn't realize my feedback would be helpful. If it's OK, I'm going to take my comments and cobble out of them an article to submit to EliteFTS.
 
I've been thinking a lot lately of that pendulum effect, and how to best capitalize on it if you are not peaking for a meet and are simply just peaking in part of training.

Do you find that using the peak strength to perform high repetitions of a weight 30-40 lbs more than usual to be beneficial?

In other words, say a lifter can perform 12 repetitions with 185. Would it then be capitalizing on the peak post-Smolov by performing, say, 5 sets of 12 reps with 225? I'm wondering if this would have benefits for hypertrophy.

I guess I'm really wondering how to best utilize a peak in training.
 
Thanks a ton for that response Keo. That makes sense. I honestly never thought about that "pendulum" affect because I"ve never experienced it myself. Even after running Smolov for squats my squat jumped up and then stayed there pretty much. (I'm assuming this was just because of my experience level being so low, that i didn't have anywhere to go but up lol).

So basically to avoid that pendulum (assuming someone's not a competitive lifter trying to peak for a meat) Just be as consistent as possible with your training/volume/intensity from month to month?
 
This really makes me re-evaluate the small but solid gains I've made from higher-volume training in the past.

At the time I remember being disappointed in the relatively small PR's but feeling much stronger. Hmmm
 
There's a lot of really good info here. Thanks for all your responses keo.
 
I'll respond tomorrow, folks. It's getting late and I'm just going to log before bed:

Banded Shoulder Warm-Up

Smolov Jr. W3D4 (two cycles in the books!)

Paused Bench Press
Barx20
Barx20
95x5
135x5
185x3
225x2
255x2
275x2 (PR)
275x2
275x2
275x2
275x2
275x2
275x2
275x2
275x4 (PR)

Pull-Ups
BWx10
BWx10
BWx10

Banded Face-Pulls
x25
x25
x25

Iso-Lat Row
90x12, 12
90x12, 12
90x12, 12

Wide-Grip Pulldowns, two sets

 
Bench press is becoming less and less of a weakness with each month. If I somehow manage to continue progressing, I could end up in the 330-340 range by the end of this year, which is goddamn crazy to me, but hey, this seems to be going well. I'm waiting for something to go wrong, but so far, so good.
 
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