Keosawa's Powerlifting Log

I said I'd swing by, then forgot to do so.

So here I am! Lifts look strong, especially that 485 sumo and 370x7 squat. Both are lifts I'm hoping to get going after once I drop a few pounds.

How do you think short legs and a short body do for sumo DL's? I'm 5'6 and my legs and upper body are fairly proportionate, so it always seemed awkward to pull sump for me. Opinions?

Keep up the good work, mayne.
 
Nice job on the Sumo PR, Keo!

And yeah, I saw the KP season premier...enjoyed it.

BTW, how are you liking pulling sumo? I've been thinking about trying it out.
 
did you go straight to 485 sumo? thats awesome right after squats too, and then hit a PR rep in squats after good stuff
 
dannysmith said:
I said I'd swing by, then forgot to do so.

So here I am! Lifts look strong, especially that 485 sumo and 370x7 squat. Both are lifts I'm hoping to get going after once I drop a few pounds.

How do you think short legs and a short body do for sumo DL's? I'm 5'6 and my legs and upper body are fairly proportionate, so it always seemed awkward to pull sump for me. Opinions?

Keep up the good work, mayne.
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Thanks for stopping by, man. I'd check this link out: Comparing Sumo And Conventional Deadlifts - Primal Lifter

This isn't an exact science by any means, but it will give you some insight into how your body type might respond to sumo. In my personal opinion, sumo is more the "default" deadlift style than conventional, in that more people can reach a respectable level pulling sumo than conventional, and that it's not quite as leverage-dependent a pulling style as conventional is. In other words, I think sumo style is a viable option for anyone; if you've got short arms, then sumo will likely work better than conventional, and if you've got long arms, you might be better suited for a conventional pull, but it's not like you're at a biomechanical disadvantage when pulling sumo.
 
calvus said:
Nice job on the Sumo PR, Keo!

And yeah, I saw the KP season premier...enjoyed it.

BTW, how are you liking pulling sumo? I've been thinking about trying it out.
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Thanks man. And yeah, I liked the first episode too. It's certainly grown on me.

I like sumo. I struggle with the technique and I'm not disciplined enough to focus on it sometimes, but it's easier to prepare for mentally and execute than conventional. I think part of that just has to do with differences in typical strength curves in the conventional and the sumo deadlift: for most of us long-armed guys, conventional pulling, especially with a close stance, comes off the floor fast and is a struggle at the top, whereas breaking the weight off the floor is the hardest part of sumo, while the lockout is usually pretty easy. With the sumo, you can almost ease into the lift, whereas I've found with conventional I can't.
 
PLftw said:
did you go straight to 485 sumo? thats awesome right after squats too, and then hit a PR rep in squats after good stuff
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Yes, I went straight to it. Someone I knew had 485 set up on the bar, and he was watching our squats before he attempted it. I had just done 350 for my squats and figured I'd give it a whirl. It wasn't my smartest moment, but what the hell; sometimes you have to have a little fun.
 
Nice sumo PR, how long until it's the same as your conventional deadlift do you think?
 
hows your foot position in the sumo? ive heard you want your feet forward but ive never seen anyone do that, usually quite angled out...
 
PLftw said:
hows your foot position in the sumo? ive heard you want your feet forward but ive never seen anyone do that, usually quite angled out...
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Mine are angled way out. People with great hip mobility and abductor/adductor strength will point their toes close to forward and have great success with it. You see this a lot also with good wide-stance squatters. For whatever reason, I don't have the strength necessary to do this yet.
 
I've had deadlifting woes in the past, so I plan on trying to max on sumo this Thursday and if it is better than my conventional I will obviously switch to it.

In your opinion, would you consider switching if it was even close to my conventional, since I had never sumo deadlfted until last Thursday and have been pulling conventional for about 10 months now?
 
LitteringAnd said:
I've had deadlifting woes in the past, so I plan on trying to max on sumo this Thursday and if it is better than my conventional I will obviously switch to it.

In your opinion, would you consider switching if it was even close to my conventional, since I had never sumo deadlfted until last Thursday and have been pulling conventional for about 10 months now?
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If it's close, you could probably make the case that your ceiling is higher in sumo. But honestly, it's not like you'd have to pick and choose; you'll always have an opportunity to use both styles, and to be honest, most good sumo pullers that I see also mix in some occasional conventional deadlifting anyway (though the inverse isn't often true).
 
The potentially higher ceiling is what I was curious about. Thanks.

Well hopefully I'll go in there and pull a +25 PR and it won't even matter.
 
LitteringAnd said:
I've had deadlifting woes in the past, so I plan on trying to max on sumo this Thursday and if it is better than my conventional I will obviously switch to it.
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I would argue that you should learn to pull conventional with good technique before you consider dumping it.
 
DE Bench Press, w/ doubled mini-bands
Barx5 (wide)
Barx3 (close)
Barx5 (wide)
Barx3 (close)
135x3 (wide)
135x3 (normal)
135x3 (close)
135x3 (wide)
135x3 (normal)
135x3 (close)
135x3 (wide)
135x3 (normal)
135x3 (close)
135x33 (wide)
135x17 (close)

Dips
BWx25
BWx25
BWx25
BWx20

Dumbbell Flys
25x10
35x8
35x8
35x8

Weighted Crunches
125x15
125x15
125x15

I have footage from all of today's pressing. I'll probably make a video out of it and post it later.
 
Nice volume. As far as pulling, I'm enjoying training sumo alongside conventional. It's definitely more on the hips, less back for sumo.
 


The quality on this video sucks; I'm still learning how to get my new camera to play nice with my editing software.

Notice how my partner tried actively to sabotage my workout--and my filming--because I always beat him in the rep work we do at the end.
 
What sort of supports are you wearing in your bench video?

+1 to looking forward to seeing this documentary, will it finish with your meet?
 
Kinglee said:
What sort of supports are you wearing in your bench video?

+1 to looking forward to seeing this documentary, will it finish with your meet?
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They're neoprene elbow sleeves.

And I think that's when it will end, but that's not entirely my decision to make, I suppose. Fate will take its course.
 
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