Keosawa's Powerlifting Log

It's a big decision, and not one to be taken lightly. I'm glad you're being upfront about it; in my mind, that is what separates Vitamin usage as another tool of the trade from Vitamin usage as a means of gaining an unfair advantage.

Couldn't agree more! That is my only problem with the BB and Powerlifting world where someone is using Vitamins or not... It's hard for a natural athlete too see what is achievable and what isn't.

Even in sports I don't think it's wrong I just wish people would be honest about it...
 
Okay, I'm going to respond to everything here. Be patient for a few minutes...
 
Is the plan to stay at 148? If so, do you think it would be tough to keep your weight down with all the extra vitamins?

It may or may not be tough--I honestly have no clue, and I have to do a lot of asking around first. My body would prefer to be bigger than it currently is, but I have goals at 148 that I haven't set yet. If the choice were between supplementation and my weight class, I would choose to hold off for a few more years at least and continue to be a 148.

I guess, if it was just a question of speeding up your progress to a level you were going to reach anyway, I would have reservations. After all, you are young and lifters can have long careers. If it was a question of reaching levels that were otherwise unreachable, e.g. if this a way to get to the top of the sport and it could not otherwise be done, I would say it makes sense as long as you think that whatever risks are acceptable given the reward.

As a general rule, one is always going to have a higher ceiling if they choose this path, so yes, it will push me above my "natural" ceiling. I don't think I've hit my natural ceiling though, and so this isn't absolutely necessary at this time. I imagine most everyone starts before they even come close to said ceiling, but I don't want to let that make my decision.

I think you know best what is best for yourself. You seem like the kind of guy who really inspects the boat before jumping in it. Good luck, Keo! #TeamKeo

Thanks, man. I will make a careful and informed decision.

1) Respect for being upfront about your thoughts on your supplement regime.

2) Jaunty has a point in that you are still fairly young and, as long as you can still progress, even if at a slow rate, you've still yet to reach your peak.

3) I'd think it safe to assume the vast majority of the lifters at your level (your "direct opposition") is already supplementing (be that sporadically or regularly). In all likelihood you are the exception here.

4) I actually find the idea of supplementing less unappealing than the idea of competing in a wrapped division (true story). As a matter of fact, assuming you aren't one of those dickheads who are on vitamins and go ahead and actively advertise how they've always been natural, I don't find it objectionable at all.

1.) You're welcome. I want to be up front about everything. There are obvious legal reasons as to why I don't want to be terribly specific, but I think it's important to note any "changes"--or even the possibility of a change--before they occur, as I've previously been very open about my non-use.

2.) You're right. I've been going through a tough stretch in training, and I have RUM in February, and I DO NOT want to be prisoner of the moment and make an impassioned decision. If the desire is still there come November, I might make this choice, but it is also entirely possible that you hear me say I'm going to hold off for the time being.

3.) Likely true.

4.) I understand your rationale. For the record, competing wrapped and drug-free is almost as silly as competing multi-ply and drug-free in this country. You get the stigma attached to the class (using wraps), and you effectively remove yourself from the big raw-raw competitions (USAPL), and you end up competing against a lot of guys who are on. Long-term, my best choices would probably be to do unwrapped/no-sups or wrapped/sups.

this isnt the best first post for me to make in your thread, but since you've asked for comments, positive & negative . . .

I'm not sure what part competition, and your success in it plays in your work/income, but if supplementing could realistically greatly improve my way of life, I'd have to give it serious consideration.

+1 for being up front and honest about it, as I know many are not.

Right now, I'm just a grad assistant, and so I do not yet have a "career" to worry about. Obviously, when my situation changes, so too will my level of transparency, though I don't want to do anything that forces me to lie to anyone.

I was not expecting that! Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Will it change how often you compete and where you compete? (not drug tested meets)

Thanks. This really hasn't been in my mind for longer than a few months, and it only very recently has intensified. I think that's another reason to "wait it out" and see if the desire is still there in a while.

It won't change how often I compete, but it will change where I compete. Even if I go on and off, I won't ever do a drug-tested meet. I'm not going to become one of those guys who tries to "beat" a test or who has this in his past but competes in a drug-free fed anyway. Thankfully for me, most American feds are non-tested anyway.
 
Meh. If you feel this is the best course then w/e. I support you 100%, Kyledudebrokeo.

Thanks, brah.

I too am interested in how far it will take you, and hopefully will make you a "world class lifter"

I support this 100% as well.

Thank you much, man. Knowing me, if this doesn't happen in November, it will probably happen down the road--I will have a hard time not "playing that card" to see what would happen. I think I can keep getting stronger without it, and maybe I choose to do that. But once I make this choice, there's no way to un-do it.
 
Tread lightly with specifics OT. Keo is being extremely upfront and honest about his decisions regarding his training no need to go into too much detail in a public log. I would keep all specific remarks regarding supplementation via PM.

Also, if you're a serious lifter in any capacity let alone a national level competitor it's pertinent to get your test levels checked well before 30. I request it at every yearly physical and have since I was 23. Doctors most likely aren't going to administer TRT to a 23yo even if the levels are low but you still need to know your body and it's hormonal output and adjust your training accordingly if need be.

Good luck Keo, I have no doubt you'll do the proper amount of research before taking any dramatic steps. I know you have much more knowledgeable sources of information at your disposal but if you have any specific questions for me don't hesitate to ask.

I'm not going to lie here: this isn't something I have discussed before, but I just plain feel different today than when I was 19-21. I have been training hard for a while now, and I can tell that my T levels have dropped, because I don't have the same intensity or aggression that I had when I was younger. We have been talking about getting blood work done anyway to make sure I'm OK, and that will probably be the first step for me here.

And I appreciate the offer for help--I'm researching with others right now.

First of all, as everyone has mentioned, props to being open and honest about this subject! I'm definitely looking forward to your progress regardless of which route you choose. Good luck, Keo!

Thanks, man. Much appreciated. I'm not someone who thinks of supps as inherently evil--especially if you're competing non-tested with others--so I don't have any moral or ethical concerns. For me, it's about taking care of my body, and my health, and waiting for a situation I feel comfortable with.

Please continue to distance yourself from this federation.

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I heard about this. Ridiculous.

I personally think you've got some time to continue to improve. However you and I know that if you want to succeed in this world, you have to take risks and you have to grab your opportunities when they present themselves...

Those decisions come with some amazing benefits. They can also come with terrible concequences. I know you'll be smart about your future, Kyle. I have not doubt you'll do what's right for you. I am gonna cheer for you regardless of how you proceed; cause you're that kinda guy!

Best of luck and we'll be following your progress!

Agreed on everything here--I'm not going to put myself in serious jeopardy at 27 years old. I am doing just fine without any supplementation. I appreciate the support, man.

Interesting KS. We were discussing things like this on the pit. I hoe you don't mind that I posted it there... Sorry dude, shoulda asked first I guess...

I'll have to venture over there to take a look.

I didn't actually say, unconditionally, that to do it would be premature. My view is that if it would just hurry Keo along to somewhere he would get anyway, I would raise a question about why he couldn't just wait. If it would get him to a level he couldn't otherwise get to, then the only issue for me would be the balance of risk and reward.

Let me put it this way: 1400 is definitely attainable for me. 1450 is very likely attainable. And in some years, I think I could do 1500. But when you start thinking about world records--1580 in my weight class--it will probably be necessary. The question, I suppose, becomes whether you spend a few years scraping for a 1500 total, or if you fast-track it in six months or whatever. I suppose doing the former has its own risks, like the fact that you're training--hard--for years and increasing the likelihood of a setback or injury. But on the other hand, there are many guys who get started too early and flame out of the sport very quickly. The answer isn't simple, which is why I appreciate all the input.
 
It may or may not be tough--I honestly have no clue, and I have to do a lot of asking around first. My body would prefer to be bigger than it currently is, but I have goals at 148 that I haven't set yet. If the choice were between supplementation and my weight class, I would choose to hold off for a few more years at least and continue to be a 148.

I would say given the volume and intensity at which you train, introducing supplementation to that regimen it's going to be very difficult for you to stay at 148. I would plan on ~ 8-12lbs of lean muscle gain if your diet is on point; plus water weight is always a slight factor. If your body already wants to be bigger then you may see even more weight gain than this. I would go into it expecting to have to move up a weight class. You already have to cut to get to 148 I would expect that to be out of reach if you were to move forward with this.
 
I agree with meow and Jaunty, you are probably being a tiny bit premature. I think you've probably got a 1500 natty total in you with some solid, injury free training and a great meet.

However your first cycle should just be testosterone. See how you respond then you can look at more complex esters if you decide to go down that route. Hell once you hit 30 it's probably worth getting your test levels checked and looking at TRT anyway - I know I will. Depending on the results you could self-medicate from there.

Probably true on 1500. It would obviously be very difficult, but I think it is attainable; I have done 1430 in the gym now, and I think I can bleed 70 more pounds out of my three lifts.

Over the last couple of months I've been following your log and I have so much respect for you (I know you're waiting for the but, BUT there isn't one). The fact that your so open about going on the Enhanced Vitamins and are going to keep us updated make me respect you even more. I don't know if I agree/disagree this is the right time for you but I'm sure you'll do the research and make a good decision.

Looking forward to following your progress whichever way you go.

Thanks a lot, man. I know some people would be disappointed, but I've always been clear about my position on usage. If people want to hold me up as a drug-free champion, then they're making me into something I'm not.

I thought there'd been an inordinate amount of activity in this log over the past few days.

It's a big decision, and not one to be taken lightly. I'm glad you're being upfront about it; in my mind, that is what separates Vitamin usage as another tool of the trade from Vitamin usage as a means of gaining an unfair advantage.

I look forward to seeing more progress, best of luck Mr Kurosawa.

Thanks. In our sport, there is nothing "unfair" about supplementation provided you compete in non-tested feds, of which there are many. In that respect, it's very similar to strongman. If the sport had a universally accepted banned substance list, this would not be something I'd consider.
 
Man, I get lazy with checking up on logs for a few days and I miss a lot!

Regardless of what ya end up doing Keo, I'm pretty confident in saying that you'll always have the support on here. Being up front about it also is pretty refreshing, as too many people try to promote themselves as something they're not in order to make money, get sponsors,or whatever it is.

Weigh the risks, do the research. And make sure you have everything set health wise that you'd need to do minimize any risks. Whatever you end up doing, you're gonna be successful with the drive that you have. We're all behind ya man.
 
I would say given the volume and intensity at which you train, introducing supplementation to that regimen it's going to be very difficult for you to stay at 148. I would plan on ~ 8-12lbs of lean muscle gain if your diet is on point; plus water weight is always a slight factor. If your body already wants to be bigger then you may see even more weight gain than this. I would go into it expecting to have to move up a weight class. You already have to cut to get to 148 I would expect that to be out of reach if you were to move forward with this.

This is what I have heard from others, and it's going to make me hold off on it until I've done everything I think I can at 148. I'm not leaving this weight class until I absolutely cannot improve my total anymore.
 
This is what I have heard from others, and it's going to make me hold off on it until I've done everything I think I can at 148. I'm not leaving this weight class until I absolutely cannot improve my total anymore.

I respect that attitude a lot.
 
Some updates on my situation:

I've taken some time now to talk to some people that I trust, and the consensus seems to be that either a.) "supplement" use is almost certainly going to cause some weight gain, whether that be just a few pounds or considerably more, or b.) "supplement" use may or may not cause weight gain, and it will be difficult to predict and impossible to completely control. I've gotten a lot of support, no real negative feedback, and a number of people who have suggested I try getting stronger without for a while longer.

I'm going to take that advice: I want to remain in the 148-lb. weight class for at least a few more years, as I still think I can get stronger for a while at this bodyweight. This has been a good experience, and I've picked up some new information. I'll continue to do research and learn what I can, but I will be remaining natty for the time being.

Other than that, I come back to training after a complete week off today, and I'm really looking forward to it. I have posted my first return mesocycle (four weeks) up on google drive:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApcCkRiqOrLJdDZMbXFIYUtRRjh3VWp4bTlSMU1hTUE&usp=sharing

Nothing's too complicated here; I'm doing a lot of lower-RPE, moderate-volume work and re-establishing a base while I continue to rest up. I have three extra sessions semi-planned, but I haven't written anything up just yet.

Anyway, that's all for now. Here's 545x3 off 2.5" blocks from last Sunday:

 
Hey Kyle, I had a quick question about your powerlifting team at the college. How do you organize your meetings? I have definite times that I can corral people into the gym but I'm not really sure what to do with them once they are there. Do you typically just meet and do your own thing while giving some feedback or do you organize it in the sense that everyone is doing the same thing? (like squatting)
 
Squats (w/ stupid Oly shoes)
95x8
135x5
185x3
225x3
275x3
315x8
315x8
315x8
315x8

Crunches
80x20
80x20
80x20

GHRs
BWx20
BWx20
BWx20

Leg Curls
BWx200

Notes: I'm back, baby. Squats felt as strong as they have in a while; that week off really did my body some good. Sometimes I just end up training too hard for too long. I think moving forward I will experiment with once-a-month semi-deloads. Those "deloads" will probably only be something like a 90/90 deload (90% of the regular volume with 90% of the regular intensity), but I think it will help me to have this programmed into my training more frequently.

And no video, because the gym was mobbed today.
 
Good choice, Keo... you're young and still making considerable progress so why not enjoy it. Make your mark at 148! You will have a lot of time to make weight jumps and kill other weight classes. I mean, we would have supported you either way, but this way makes sense...
 
I heard about this. Ridiculous.

Just heard a rumor about Rich P banning a guy for helping a fellow lifter in a USPA meet.

You can't lift in a competing fed and now apparently you can't help out a lifter in a competing fed's meet...
 
Just heard a rumor about Rich P banning a guy for helping a fellow lifter in a USPA meet.

You can't lift in a competing fed and now apparently you can't help out a lifter in a competing fed's meet...

WHAT?!

And I thought the Oly community was petty.... jaybus...


Also, Keo you took a whole week off?? Man... the first two days of that would be hard on me mentally.
 
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