Elections Kamala Harris for POTUS

[Deleted member 577981]

We're in an election thread and I asked you about the two most likely candidates and how they compare, is that weird to you?

No, Trump in this context is a unique evil and not simply a slightly greater one because he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and overturn a free and fair election in the world's most consolidated democracy.

don't forget the misuse of leadership and the bully pulpit to divide the whole country and incite hatred and division to benefit himself directly and selfishly.

I still think its the worst thing he did by far because it worked.

 

[SKYNET]

You guys as in the folks who got called racist last time a black person ran.

Dude you are a buffoon, you have no clue what you are talking about, ever

 

[BFoe]

She wasn't enough of a "woman of color" for Joey and the racist DNC platform that demanded identity politics and diversity hires in the highest office, yes.

lol so she’s a woman of color but somehow too light skinned?
Libs don’t like Tulsi for all the reasons I described, plus a few more reasons I didn’t list.

The only people I see really obsessed with identity politics ITT is the Righties, many of whom started in right away in their race-baiting woman-bashing silliness.

No, but I think there was a whole “how could they pass up a black woman” thought going around.

I’m sure they also think that the black vote is a monolith that will vote for her purely on skin color.

I think there’s definitely a hope that will help us with the black vote, as there were indicators we were losing that with Biden. Black women still supported Dems according to survey data, so it’s fair to say that a lot of us hope that going with Kamala keeps them on board.

 

[shockaholic12]

Dude you are a buffoon, you have no clue what you are talking about, ever

You possess such a raging victim complex you are fantasizing about getting labeled a racist online before it's even happened.

But yep, I'm the buffoon.

 

[Islam Imamate]

not directly related to Loiosh but there seem to be a lot of missing democrats on this. I'm wondering if there is some embarrassment as they tried to shame reasonable people who had the capacity and integrity to admit that Biden is too old and looks too old and was/is not fit to be president. we put truth over party and were shamed by establishment types.

I personally think Biden was fine and I would've preferred he stayed in the race but that's in the past now, for Democrats now is the time to close ranks around Kamala because she is the most obvious candidate and we need to minimize chaos and complications.

don't forget the misuse of leadership and the bully pulpit to divide the whole country and incite hatred and division to benefit himself directly and selfishly.

I still think its the worst thing he did by far because it worked.

And he used his bully pulpit to help spread the lie about the 2020 election which was probably his most divisive claim ever.

 

[BFoe]

If her campaign MO is to defend herself at every turn over the next four months and spend the majority of her innate psychic energies fighting all these ridiculous innuendos while pointing her finger at the evil racist and sexist Bid... sorry Donald Trump, whist not showing much vim and vigor towards developing real solutions to the real problems we as a nation of all colors, creeds, religions, etc etc are facing in 2024, then I will be proven right and the DNC will continue to be exposed as a useless party that only pretends to care about its constituents but will shamelessly pander to no avail.

Sorry, you feel like if Kamala has to spend time defending herself from shitty right wing attacks, that means Dems are a useless party? Am in understanding your POV correctly?

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don't like Kamala either but that's irrelevant here. I'm not asking you to evaluate them as drinking buddies, I'm asking you to evaluate them as candidates.

No I didn't, I simply asked a follow up question but naturally as a "centrist" you end up being incredibly defensive and evasive about it.

I didn't ask you about that and I have no confidence that you'd tell me the truth either way. I asked you how does your complaints about Kamala compare to the fact that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and overturn a free and fair election?

Defensive? Okay let me evaluate Trump.


He speaks to issues in ways that speak to how people are feeling. Things like a bad economy, crime, lack of pride in America, lack of unity, movement toward cultural insanity. These things resonate with people because the economy is rough right now and felt better when he was in office, cultural things like schools keeping secrets from parents and “what is a woman?” make people feel like “what the f are these democrats even talking about”.

He is seemingly tougher on threats like China and under his presidency we didn’t have global wars breaking out.

Now, was his leadership the reason there weren’t wars? Better gas prices? Less movement toward “cultural insanity”? Unknown. You’d argue no. Others would argue yes.

Personally, to me he’s a blow hard. I think his administration proved to be inept and floundering for the most part. I think he was tougher on our enemies than Biden by far.

Would inflation have gotten as bad under him? Unknown but probably. The IRA was a negative, fringes have been encouraged and our enemies emboldened.

While I won’t vote for Trump, selfishly, his election would be an incredible boon for me personally. His crypto stance would take my investment holdings to the point of creating generational wealth for me and my family.

I voted for him in 2016 out of spite of Hilary due to being in a blue state and my vote not mattering. I wrote in McRaven in 2020 out of realizing Trump was insane. I’ll vote for myself in 2024.

 

[Seano]

It seems like people think she is the default candidate.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I think there’s definitely a hope that will help us with the black vote, as there were indicators we were losing that with Biden. Black women still supported Dems according to survey data, so it’s fair to say that a lot of us hope that going with Kamala keeps them on board.

Hope may be all there is there.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I personally think Biden was fine and I would've preferred he stayed in the race but that's in the past now, for Democrats now is the time to close ranks around Kamala because she is the most obvious candidate and we need to minimize chaos and complications.

And he used his bully pulpit to help spread the lie about the 2020 election which was probably his most divisive claim ever.

biden was/is NOT fine... and nobody who is honest with themselves could possibly have believed that. I do not believe any of you were being honest with yourselves because of partisan bias that valued the safety of our nation in an emergency less than winning an election.

it is cognitive dissonance that you experienced.

 

[SKYNET]

Sorry, you feel like if Kamala has to spend time defending herself from shitty right wing attacks, that means Dems are a useless party? Am in understanding your POV correctly?

Dems are already a useless party, my vote is still up for grabs however, so if she does what I explained, not just "spend time defending herself" as you so eloquently put it, then yeah, nail in the coffin for me

 

[Seano]

Defensive? Okay let me evaluate Trump.


He speaks to issues in ways that speak to how people are feeling. Things like a bad economy, crime, lack of pride in America, lack of unity, movement toward cultural insanity. These things resonate with people because the economy is rough right now and felt better when he was in office, cultural things like schools keeping secrets from parents and “what is a woman?” make people feel like “what the f are these democrats even talking about”.

He is seemingly tougher on threats like China and under his presidency we didn’t have global wars breaking out.

Now, was his leadership the reason there weren’t wars? Better gas prices? Less movement toward “cultural insanity”? Unknown. You’d argue no. Others would argue yes.

Personally, to me he’s a blow hard. I think his administration proved to be inept and floundering for the most part. I think he was tougher on our enemies than Biden by far.

Would inflation have gotten as bad under him? Unknown but probably. The IRA was a negative, fringes have been encouraged and our enemies emboldened.

While I won’t vote for Trump, selfishly, his election would be an incredible boon for me personally. His crypto stance would take my investment holdings to the point of creating generational wealth for me and my family.

I voted for him in 2016 out of spite of Hilary due to being in a blue state and my vote not mattering. I wrote in McRaven in 2020 out of realizing Trump was insane. I’ll vote for myself in 2024.

I vote against the guy who makes my life worse, not so much for someone. None of them will do shit for me but one may hurt me less than the other. Its been a long time that there's been a democrat I felt fit this bill. Voting on their personality or some crap they said 30 years ago means you got distracted from whats best for you. (not saying you specifically do that, kind of went off on my own thing at the end there)

In the US we have no choice but to pick the lesser of two evils.

 

[BFoe]

Dems are already a useless party, my vote is still up for grabs however, so if she does what I explained, not just "spend time defending herself" as you so eloquently put it, then yeah, nail in the coffin for me

Well yes, I agree that she needs policies. I would hope she’ll outline them, but I also assume she’ll also have to use some of

her innate psychic energies fighting all these ridiculous innuendos while pointing her finger at the evil racist and sexist Bid... sorry Donald Trump,

since responding to attacks kind of comes with the territory.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Defensive? Okay let me evaluate Trump.


He speaks to issues in ways that speak to how people are feeling. Things like a bad economy, crime, lack of pride in America, lack of unity, movement toward cultural insanity. These things resonate with people because the economy is rough right now and felt better when he was in office, cultural things like schools keeping secrets from parents and “what is a woman?” make people feel like “what the f are these democrats even talking about”.

He is seemingly tougher on threats like China and under his presidency we didn’t have global wars breaking out.

Now, was his leadership the reason there weren’t wars? Better gas prices? Less movement toward “cultural insanity”? Unknown. You’d argue no. Others would argue yes.

Personally, to me he’s a blow hard. I think his administration proved to be inept and floundering for the most part. I think he was tougher on our enemies than Biden by far.

Would inflation have gotten as bad under him? Unknown but probably. The IRA was a negative, fringes have been encouraged and our enemies emboldened.

While I won’t vote for Trump, selfishly, his election would be an incredible boon for me personally. His crypto stance would take my investment holdings to the point of creating generational wealth for me and my family.

I voted for him in 2016 out of spite of Hilary due to being in a blue state and my vote not mattering. I wrote in McRaven in 2020 out of realizing Trump was insane. I’ll vote for myself in 2024.

I like how nowhere there did you at any point address the fact that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and, for someone who supposedly doesn't like Trump, offered a relatively favorable review when compared to your take on Kamala which was pretty much all bad. But please tell me more about how you're a centrist.

The idea that Trump speaks to the lack of unity is insane, he is a core source of the lack of unity.

biden was/is NOT fine... and nobody who is honest with themselves could possibly have believed that. I do not believe any of you were being honest with yourselves because of partisan bias that valued the safety of our nation in an emergency less than winning an election.

it is cognitive dissonance that you experienced.

He got old but I think the decline was exaggerated and that ultimately I trusted in American institutions and norms to soften any blow that the aging of the person of the president would bring. The issue is that on the GOP side they have gutted institutions and run roughshod over norms so you can't trust those things to hold Trump back the way you could in a Biden admin. In 2016 I could believe institutions would hold but seeing how Congressional Republicans, Supreme Court justices, and GOP voters have all colluded to shield Trump from any liability post Jan 6th has changed things.

 

[SKYNET]

Well yes, I agree that she needs policies. I would hope she’ll outline them, but I also assume she’ll also have to use some of

since responding to attacks kind of comes with the territory.

Thick skin, this is a four month sprint

 

[Rob Battisti]

I like how nowhere there did you at any point address the fact that Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power and, for someone who supposedly doesn't like Trump, offered a relatively favorable review when compared to your take on Kamala which was pretty much all bad. But please tell me more about how you're a centrist.

The idea that Trump speaks to the lack of unity is insane, he is a core source of the lack of unity.

I think the narrative of “Jan 6 was as bad as 9/11” narrative turned me off. Truthfully, I was mostly absent from that even as it coincided with the birth of my first son and I never cared about it enough to really understand what was going on. I never comment on it because it didn’t pique my interest.

I think he’s unfit for office for that situation and others as I’ve mentioned. I hope you can accept my level of disagreement with the man.

 

[SurferH2O]

VP options for Kamala... embrace DEI!!!

Sam Britton certainly checks some important boxes for the Democrats. He comes with some baggage.

Or perhaps Rachel Levine?

So brave.

 

[BFoe]

Hope may be all there is there.

I sure don’t have much of it. Not because of Dems, but because of American voters. It’s crazy that someone like Trump could get elected in America, and even crazier that we’re still fucking around with this dude after everything he’s done, 8 years later. Future historians will have a field day with this period of American history.

 

[Rob Battisti]

He got old

What does this mean? What specifically about him getting old made him unfit?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think the narrative of “Jan 6 was as bad as 9/11” narrative turned me off. Truthfully, I was mostly absent from that even as it coincided with the birth of my first son and I never cared about it enough to really understand what was going on. I never comment on it because it didn’t pique my interest.

When DJT on Jan 6th said this in his speech to protestors, what do you think he was referring to?

And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.

Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four-year period. We've set it on a much greater course. So much, and we, I thought, you know, four more years. I thought it would be easy.

Its a reference to his scheme to overturn the election. From the Jack Smith indictment:

The Defendant and co-conspirators used knowingly false claims of election fraud to get state legislators and election officials to subvert the legitimate election results and change electoral votes for the Defendant's opponent, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., to electoral votes for the Defendant. That is, on the pretext of baseless fraud claims, the Defendant pushed officials in certain states to ignore the popular vote; disenfranchise millions of voters; dismiss legitimate electors; and ultimately, cause the ascertainment of and voting by illegitimate electors in favor of the Defendant.

The Defendant and co-conspirators organized fraudulent slates of electors in seven targeted states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin), attempting to mimic the procedures that the legitimate electors were supposed to follow under the Constitution and other federal and state laws. This included causing the fraudulent electors to meet on the day appointed by federal law on which legitimate electors were to gather and cast their votes; cast fraudulent votes for the Defendant; and sign certificates falsely representing that they were legitimate electors. Some fraudulent electors were tricked into participating based on the understanding that their votes would be used only if the Defendant succeeded in outcome-determinative lawsuits within their state, which the Defendant never did. The Defendant and co-conspirators then caused these fraudulent electors to transmit their false certificates to the Vice President and other government officials to be counted at the certification proceeding on January 6.

The important thing to remember is that no one contests this timeline of events. Congressional Republicans didn't, they argued it was too close to his term ending to impeach him. DJT doesn't, his defense was that he has immunity form judicial review. The SCOTUS doesn't, they granted him criminal immunity.

What does this mean? What specifically about him getting old made him unfit?

I didn't say he was unfit, I said he got old. In practice that hurt him a lot because Biden's charisma came from his energy which balanced out his tendency to misspeak. But as an old man he lost the energy while still being prone to gaffes which made it hard for him to campaign.