Kajukenbo Effective

[consortium11]

Isn't this what Tua trained it before Tank kncoked him out? I've no idea how competent he was at it, but he seemed lost when he couldn't simply tie up Tank.

That said, what harm can giving it a go do?

 

[2om30]

i think chuck liddel has a second degree black belt in kajukenbo

i think it's kempo..my friend. or american kenpo excuse my spelling.

 

[patterack]

http://www.slokickboxing.com/instructors.htm

Chuck does have a black belt in it (although they call it Kajukembo on their site...same diff really)

I took it for a summer when I was in high school, my teacher mostly talked about it's practicality in the streets and what-not (a lot of the katas focused on disarming opponents)... Then again, it was my brother in law's cousin running a class out of his garage, so he might not be the most qualified person to classify it as either a street art or a competitive one (black belt or not)...

I enjoyed it though, and Chuck's seem to have had some success with it, well, along with his wrestling and kickboxing styles too..

 

[thaiking]

doesn't matter, he doesn't use it in the ring

 

[high right kick]

Kajukenbo has a lot of boxing and Karate and Jujutsu stuff in it..... its really Hawaiian Kemp. I mean Im sure you could come up with differences but its the same thing: Hardcore Hawaiian martial arts. Seriously, Ive sparred people who train this shit and they were CRAZY! And I mean these guys are all formiddable. Its one of those hardcore styles like MT, just not a lot of students under it. A classic saying is "Kajukenbo is not practiced properly until there is blood on the floor" I shit you not.

thats funny it was all point sparring when i was taking it. for the adults and the children btw.

 

[AgentZ]

There is a simple test to see if Style-n is worth it or effective.

During the class, at any point, do they do live sparring?

If yes, then it moves onto the next step...

Is the live sparring not really sparring but a glorified girly slap fight?

If no, then I guess it passes the test.

I'm sure you can add more questions to this amazing test. But it all comes down to using your common sense. A good example of this can be if they teach you how to disable attackers using little more than your Chi energy. At this point you may be thinking 'hell yeah I want to take out a busload of people using only my chi', but it's a marketing trick used to ensnare you. Don't fall for it. The best way to make sure you won

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

Been training in it for 20+ yrs. I teach it, love it and live it.

Your epersonal experiences will vary as with any style - It depends on the instructor and you.

You got research and find the right fit for you -

I only teach men 18 and up. We draw blood in almost every class or you aint trainin hard enough. "Class isnt over until I see blood on the mat" Sijo Emperado, Kajukenbo founder.

Verify their roots via the family tree - or PM me and I can check for you (I have the most current tree for 2006)

I teach Kajukenbo Emperado Method techniques, we train alot with knives, we do Full Contact stick fighting (see pics for loyalonehk on emperado.com) Example: Most recently one of my Brown belts got his arm Broken during FC stick fighting, and yes we take it to the ground weather sparring or stick fighting. Going until submission or someone gets KTFO.

I dont have a fancy school. Too many liabilities and overhead. We train outside rain or shine in the grass and mud. (some of the worlds best instructors teach out of the garage)

Just be patient and find a QUALIFIED INSTRUCTOR.

Respectfully,
Doc

 

[True2KungFu]

Doc, that sounds absolutley fucking sweet. Now to the original poster, the above post is what you should be looking for. If they do not spar hard or do live training and endless repetitoin of basics, you would probably be best served going elsewhere. However, if it seems similar to Doc's school, then hit it up. cuz if i lived in NC i sure as hell would.

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

Doc, that sounds absolutley fucking sweet. Now to the original poster, the above post is what you should be looking for. If they do not spar hard or do live training and endless repetitoin of basics, you would probably be best served going elsewhere. However, if it seems similar to Doc's school, then hit it up. cuz if i lived in NC i sure as hell would.

Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much)
Doc

 

[xinster]

i think the original poster is long gone

 

[TDubWurzo]

Say a kajukenbo fighter enters a MMA arena and dominates. Everyone would change their mind about it and try it out. But it same fighter could put TKD under his name and do the same. It's not the style, it's most certainly the fighter. So, for me to tell you not to train in Kajukenbo would be wrong. As long as you keep an open mind about other styles. Try it.

IF a Kajukenbo fighter were to enter the MMA ring/ octogon it wouldn't look as unorthodox as you may think. There are only so many strikes and locks that can be applied after all.

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

IF a Kajukenbo fighter were to enter the MMA ring/ octogon it wouldn't look as unorthodox as you may think. There are only so many strikes and locks that can be applied after all.

You are absolutely correct. It should be a fighters goal to take pieces from the whole pie and become a well rounded fighter. Whatever you call it, there is only so many ways to throw a punch, do a submission, etc.

On the certificates, that I give to seminar students, (not "") but in a nut shell, they have participated and learned some Kajukenbo tools, tactics and techniques and should now go and add it to their expression of Martial Arts.

PS. That just what the ICE MAN has done.
(He is also a Kajukenbo Black Belt) Check his site...if you dont believe me.

Just as with any competition that has RULES you have to adjust your game.
In the Steet and when your in combat, (if you want to win),
THERE IS ONLY ONE RULE, THERE ARE NO RULES. WIN AT ALL COSTS!

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

Fubar

 

[TDubWurzo]

i think chuck liddel has a second degree black belt in kajukenbo

Hah, no he has a second degree black belt in Kempo. For a long time I thought it was Kenpo which is yet another style, but Liddell is a Kempo blackbelt.

 

[TDubWurzo]

PS. That just what the ICE MAN has done.
(He is also a Kajukenbo Black Belt) Check his site...if you dont believe me.

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Well ok maybe Chuck has a blackbelt in Kajukenbo, but his base art, aside from kickboxing (which he got into because of) is Kempo.

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

Hah, no he has a second degree black belt in Kempo. For a long time I thought it was Kenpo which is yet another style, but Liddell is a Kempo blackbelt.

Kempo or Kenpo

The Kanji (拳&#27861 can be transliterated into English as either "Kempo" or "Kenpo". The first character "Ken" means "fist", while the second one "ho" means "law". However, the current standard for translating Japanese into English is the Hepburn romanization method for creating Romaji, where the "Ken" would become "Kem" when it precedes an "h" sound, and the "h" takes on a "p" sound. Thus, "Kenho" becomes "Kempo". The common reference to "Kenpo" comes from the book that James Mitose produced in 1953 entitled What is Self-Defense? Kenpo JiuJitsu as a textbook on martial arts and due to a spelling mistake by the printers who printed an N instead of M the spelling of kenpo came about. In English, it is correct to use either term, though their particular usages have become somewhat stylized. The term stayed with his students, and when William Chow and Edmund Parker went to create their own Kempo schools, they took the "Kenpo" name with them.
Both "Kempo" and "Kenpo" are acceptable forms of transliterating the Japanese name however, and the meaning is not changed by the slight change in pronunciation. Technically "Kempo" may be more linguistically correct, although the term "Kenpo" has entered widespread use.
The use of

 

[devante]

much like any art it depends on the persons dedication, toughness, an skillset; i sparred a guy who was pretty well versed in it and made it a point to train pretty hard/realistically and w/diff stylist.

an honestly the dude was a beast, at least in the standup arena, he was aggressive, had a good base and generated a good amount of power; he was not particularly mobile or diverse in how he attacked, def he was below avg.

on the ground he was competent; but had no real sub/sub def game or ability to control, most of his game was getttng u down and working the strikes..some basic pain related subs.. Something i don't think would trouble an exp grappler.

the art is balanced; but they don't see to delve as deeply into the standup or the groundwork, more of a jack of all trades where they are familiar and competent. But not particularly adept...at that range as a whole.

 

[Joe Funaro]

Be very carfeull with any school that claims to be teaching any type of Kempo/Kenpo/Zenpo/Kajukenbo!!!

This political crap is worse than Wing Chun, I kid you not. You must check out the school and judge it on an individual basis. The Kempo school I used to teach at, assistant instructor w/ 3rd brown, taught Shaolin Kempo. Then changed affiliations and became part of Kajukenbo under a guy named Kimo(popular in Kempo world). Well they would talk about how hardcore their shit was all the time, but we never did anything close to what they talked about. Only "back in the day" type stuff.

Also the only sparring we did was point, unless it was me my brother and my instructor. All in all it was a horrible McDojo. Their are tons of Kempo schools near me and I think they all suck too. So def check it out and make sure it doesnt cater to kids and mommies.

 

[DOC WEBSTER]

Be very carfeull with any school that claims to be teaching any type of Kempo/Kenpo/Zenpo/Kajukenbo!!!

This political crap is worse than Wing Chun, I kid you not. You must check out the school and judge it on an individual basis. The Kempo school I used to teach at, assistant instructor w/ 3rd brown, taught Shaolin Kempo. Then changed affiliations and became part of Kajukenbo under a guy named Kimo(popular in Kempo world). Well they would talk about how hardcore their shit was all the time, but we never did anything close to what they talked about. Only "back in the day" type stuff.

Also the only sparring we did was point, unless it was me my brother and my instructor. All in all it was a horrible McDojo. Their are tons of Kempo schools near me and I think they all suck too. So def check it out and make sure it doesnt cater to kids and mommies.

I agree with most of what you have stated. Ive been involved with the MA and MMA community for many years (quitely). I dissagree with the finger pointing toward specific styles (be carfull when doing so). In any organized sport, event, business, enterprise, association, etc. You will find politics its just the nature of the beast. There are great men throughout history in any style. Note that I said great MEN. If you want to be the best in a particular arena - then find the best MAN to teach you. Who cares what style. (Just be smart, quiet and avoid the POLITICS attached with any system). Hell there's politics in these forums - but your still here?

Ps. If you were a brown belt instructor and saw the problems you mention. Man up, get your Black belt with teaching credentials and do something about it. Make it better, improve on what you see bringing it down. Hense making a name for your self and becoming a respected asset to martial arts and mixed martial arts everywhere.

Man up and make a difference. Thats what the founders of Kajukenbo intended and achieved when it all began. I hate the same things you do with politcs etc. Thats why I dont have a public school and my men bleed in class all the time. I challenge you to not sell out, become the best you can be and develop new warriors in your image to go forth.

Doc

 

[Joe Funaro]

Too late for that. I joined up with BJJ, Boxing and Wrestling. Never seemed better. I know what you mean though and I still take a similar approach from Kajukenbo. I train in multiple arts and put them together, now known as MMA. The big thing though I took from my Kempo years wasnt realy the training but the techniques I was shown. For instance we never sparred much but I was taught how to kick and punch, elbow and knee. I use the techniques I learned back then and just apply aliveness to them. If it dont work I dont use it. I found most of the trapping to suck except for the most basic types. In fact I still use some reaps, strikes and locks from the system just with my new found aliveness.