Just Re-watched Anderson vs Wiedman ***very new perspective***

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  1. theheater

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    when i first saw the fight i thought weidman would have to pull a chael and basically be looking for the TD at all times. if weidman couldnt get anderson down he would be ko'd. I expected weidman to win the first round (can check my post history) but in the second round when he failed to get anderson down he was in big trouble and it was a matter of time before he got decimated. not getting anderson down meant that weidman was gassing and he couldnt get anderson down. weidman was in trouble and it was just a matter of time til he got lit up

    ***NEW PERSPECTIVE

    andersons walk to the cage was a new level of caulky. you can see him stop to manipulate the camera crew etc. you could just tell that he had also placed god-like status on himself. he really was acting like he thought of himself as someone really special. you need to leave that sort of thing to others imo.

    ego can be a huge flaw. anderson like so many people let his ego get the best of him. when things werent going his way he tried to act like hes above it all. the taunting and talking in between rounds. who does that? seriously? imagine someone on the undercard doing that? ego. then anderson is on the feet in round 2 with weidman and isnt landing anything. as wiedman lands the odd jab andersons ego gets more and more bent out of shape like wtf im anderson silva and you cant get the better of me. the taunting gets worse. i think this is a natural ego reaction. we have seen it a million times when a striker thinks theyre better than their opponent and they get tagged the next thing you know their hands are down and theyre taunting. maynard vs guida is a good example of frustration-handsdown-tagged badly. jones even started for a second at the start of the gus fight but caught himself. anderson took it to an whole new level and imo it was because his ego had reached a whole new level

    Anyways heres the new perspective that i found the most ineresting

    what if weidman didnt have the chael gameplan of get the fight to the ground at all costs? what if weidmans plan was a little more complex?

    lets look at a smart gameplan that factors in andersons weaopons

    -anderson has great cardio
    -anderson had looked impossible to tko or gnp out
    -anderson is a counter striker
    -you need to either sub anderson or win a decision

    -wiedman dominated the first round but if you notice he dove for an ankle instead of playing it safe and trying to punch anderson in the face for the rest of the round. he wasnt looking to pound anderson out even though he was landing big shots

    -round 2 weidmans takedown attempts were half-assed. this is the key to people being mislead imo. weidman was planning for a 5 round fight. if you re watch it with this in mind you see that weidman didnt want to burn himself out battling for TD's in the wrong spot. while standing weidman was fighting a counter striker very smart. he didnt really fall for any bait and expose himself he threw the odd jab out there and was cautious of adersons counters. this is what frustrated anderson. weidman was basically looking to score the odd jab, conserve energy, and wait for the TD opening and not gas himself trying to force it. it wasnt at all a case of weidman being too gassed to take anderson down. he was executing a game plan to win a 5 round fight

    rewatching the fight with this perspective you can actually see that weidman executed a perfect gameplan and was actually in control the whole fight. he was never fading or out of his comfort zone. yes anderson got ko'd by acting like an idiot but make no mistake about it, nothing anderson was doing for a round and a half was working.

    anderson landed a couple leg kicks and acted like he was better than weidman but in reality he got completely dominated in the first and shut down on the feet also which made his giant ego get the best of him causing him to act like a fool

    TLDR
    long post made short after rewatching the fight my opinion that weidman was fading in the second round completely changed. i now think that weidman is a very smart fighter and he was executing a very smart gameplan that didnt have him panicking and gassing himself out early in a 5 round fight. weidman was actually comfortable the whole time
     
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  2. s karlyle

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    Damn brah that's a long ass post.... Weidman is psych major but I doubt he though that much into it.
     
  3. theheater

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    i posted a TLDR at the bottom bro

    also whats up with people on sherdog pretending their time is valuable?
     
  4. Gervinho

    Gervinho Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I think people over analyze too much. The second fight will tell us everything we need to know. As far as the first fight goes....I stand by my first thought. It was flukish in the sense that Anderson lost it rather than Weidman doing anything great to win. If he wins second fight then fair enough he's the better fighter.
     
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    He was caulky? That sticky bastard.
     
  6. Hagpound

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    lol... awesome!
     
  7. Hans Gercmiov

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    I don't think standing with Anderson was really his game plan. He admitted in the Q&A before 165 that Anderson's taunting pissed him off and it made him want to strike with him.
     
  8. BayStyles

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    That's how I saw it actually. IIRC after the fight Weidman even said that the takedown attempts were just to mix things up and keep Silva uncomfortable, but he wanted to stand with Anderson because Anderson was ONLY taunting, and not even hitting Chris
     
  9. The Renegade

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    Bottom line for me is that Anderson was about 99% ineffective the entire fight, he landed a handful of leg kicks and that was it. Weidman landed the better strikes everywhere, got the TD, and had a legitimate sub attempt. There was nothing about that fight that made me think Anderson would win a rematch or that it wouldnt end even faster in a rematch now that Weidman knows he has the ability to finish the fight basically anywhere.
     
  10. eXtv

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    Chris said himself that the half-hearted takedowns in the 2nd round were on purpose, to keep Anderson guessing as to what was coming.
     
  11. keeley

    keeley Sherdog Spell Checker

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  12. ROAR**

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    I rewatched the fight too, though only to see Anderson's convulsing unconscious body once more :D
     
  13. accolyte1022

    accolyte1022 Roll to the Goal

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    No kidding. The whole point of Sherdog is to waste time.:icon_lol:
     
  14. rac2

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    Anderson was definitely winning the 2nd round until he got caught.

    He also came on top of the exchanges in the 1st round after he got up, but that wasn't enough to win him the round.

    Try again.
     
  15. Selukrid612

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    I wonder how many people would pick Anderson to win the rematch if they didn't think Chris might gas. I'm guessing not many.
     
  16. trane

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    good job TC

    at the end of the day Weidman fought a very smart fight. he was able to land on Anderson while avoiding his counters, thus frustrating Silva. he already had Silva's attention after the 1st round landing hard ground and pound and then further frustrated him by utilizing an intelligent gameplan in the standup and fighting in the right range where he could easily avoid Anderson's shots while also getting in his own.

    Weidman was putting on the pressure but he never overextended on his shots or left himself vulnerable. Like I said he fought at the right range and approached it with the right mindset and strategy. Also I believe Weidman has a reach advantage on Silva that's one reason it worked so well

    These are small details that people overlook because they simply chalk it up to Silva just getting caught fooling around. Yet never break down the events that led to Silva's frustration in the first place
     
  17. bdubbs822

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    Man, that's not a fight I ever want to watch again.
     
  18. UFCFantasyMVP

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    Yes, Anderson has ego issues. No surprise there. But he also has brains. :) I believe he also has a new motivation and fire lit under him. He wants his belt back, and he'll figure out a way to get it. Haha. I guess you also kinda touched up on the fact that Weidman was struggling to get him down in the second.. But even if they were only half assed, who's to say Weidman wont try conserving energy, therefore being forced to fight on the feet, again in the 2nd round? Fighting Anderson on the feet is not an amazing idea. You should know this. You (kinda) say Weidman looked gassed in the 2nd, huh? I didn't notice or think that but just maybe that was a tiny bit of a contributing factor as to why Anderson had the fight where he wanted it, as well! Besides, Anderson was getting shades of his own momentum going in that second round, before he got caught being cocky and paid the price! :eek: I think he needed this lesson in humility. He's been known to have an iron chin, one ko shouldn't dispute that. And Idc what anyone says, he wasn't out until the first gnp punch landed, cause that hit him very hard and flush! Expect Anderson to be the best, most cautious and humble Anderson we've ever seen! He learned from that loss, trust that. There's a reason Vegas had nearly 2 to 1 odds favoring Anderson at one point.:cool: And it's been mainly Anderson haters that have fluctuated it to an even money/pick em fight. Vegas is pretty good with their opening picks and they had Anderson at -140 to open. Looking past his loss to realize he's definitely capable of getting his title back. He's factually a top 5 GOAT for a reason. Expect a hungry Anderson.:icon_evil And I'll bet big that he WILL NOT roll with his hands down again! He's a respectable, nice, true champion.. And always has been. So he respects Chris differently this time.:icon_idea: If Chris chooses to stand with Anderson, especially, he's in for a long night!:icon_excl
     
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  19. Oy

    Oy Bring back Edith!

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    No he wasn't. If you look at it OBJECTIVELY Weidman got the better of Silva standing too. He was tagging Anderson.

    It's just that Anderson has everyone conditioned to believe that him clowning means the end of his opponent. "Holy SHIT, Anderson's dropping his hands - Chris is in trouble!!"

    If it had just been two unknown guys, you wouldn't see the same "dominance" - it was just in your head (and a lot of others' heads too). In the real world, Weidman was winning the entire time.
     
  20. JoseAldoKillaBe

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    Weidman was planning for a 5 rounds fight? no fucking way.
     

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