Junior Dos Santos' big wins

[Killer Kadoogan]

Biggest win was upgrading his wife
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fuck.... i remember feeling uneasy seeing him go through all these battles, victories, and then that was his wife. i mean maybe she was super nice, and loyal. but come on man. dog deserves a top shelf wife.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

I am not claiming that Cain was the greatest HW ever based on resume. Based on the eye test, when he was at his peak, I think that was the best HW I ever watched and I would favour him against anybody in a head-to-head.

Eye test means nothing. Ngannou could have been the greatest UFC HW of all time based on eye test, but he may never fight in the UFC again. People only rate Cain high from "what ifs", which makes no sense.

It's also good to look good against favorable matchups. In his prime, Cain would have still probably lost to Werdum, Stipe, and Ngannou because they were bad stylistic matchups for him.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

Fedor at 1 lol


Stipe's last EIGHT fights have featured the worlds two best HWs.


Fedor has at most 3 such fights in his career.

And no, Healrhy Cain was not a myth. The guy had documented MAJOR surgeries which caused FIVE YEARS of inactivity.

Fedor fought at a time when Pride had the best HWs, so you can't do a 1-1 comparison. He also has the longest unbeaten strike against top HWs ever.

And which of the world's 2 best HWs has Stipe fought? If you mean JDS, he's still 1-1 with him, same with Ngannou. Cormier is not higher ranked than those other guys I listed, so its definately not him.

"Healthy Cain" is a myth because everyone thinks if he was healthy he would have continued running through the HW division, but its false. He struggled with Kongo, got KO'd by JDS the first time, ans probably would have lost to Stipe ans Werdum and Ngannou. He never had a ton of power in his hands whixh you need at HW, and his chin wasn't the greatest at HW. Cardio means nothing if you get touched at HW.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

JDS is an all-time great but people are so invested in Fedor's (undeniable) greatness that Cain annihilating prime JDS twice means that we have to dismiss him.

Healthy Cain is the best ever HW, btw.

lol, if you want to straw man people sure that's it. Or it could be that Fedor has about as many top 10 wins as Cain has wins period. Half of Cain's top 10 wins are also 2 guys he beat twice and he didn't fight many different fighters or many different styles so there's a huge question mark about aspects of his game(submission defense for example) that aren't' there with other fighters that fought more.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

lol, if you want to straw man people sure that's it. Or it could be that Fedor has about as many top 10 wins as Cain has wins period. Half of Cain's top 10 wins are also 2 guys he beat twice and he didn't fight many different fighters or many different styles so there's a huge question mark about aspects of his game(submission defense for example) that aren't' there with other fighters that fought more.

This. You Take away JDS and Cain's resume is weak. JDS was just a good stylistic matchup for him.

Everyone forgets that back then, there were only 2 wrestlers in the UFC HW division besides Cain, and they were Carwin and Lesnar. Cain beat Lesnar, but Carwin was on his way out by then due to injuries. That left Cain as the only good wrestler in a division filled with mostly strikers at the time.

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

Eye test means nothing. Ngannou could have been the greatest UFC HW of all time based on eye test, but he may never fight in the UFC again. People only rate Cain high from "what ifs", which makes no sense.

It's also good to look good against favorable matchups. In his prime, Cain would have still probably lost to Werdum, Stipe, and Ngannou because they were bad stylistic matchups for him.

You're welcome to make your own hypothetical assertions. They're no more valid than mine. I think Cain would outclass Stipe. I invite you to rewatch his fight with Werdum. He was easily the better man before he gassed - Werdum did his whole training camp in Mexico City while Cain showed up right before the fight like an idiot. Sea-level Cain would not have much difficulty with Werdum, imo. Again a hypothetical but altitude is no joke. The Ngannou fight was meaningless - Cain was so riddled with injuries by that point that he retired then and there. He was coming off a close to 3 year layoff due to injuries and was fighting once every other year before that. It's like saying Fedor would always lose to Big Foot except that actually has less asterisks.

I concede that these are "what-ifs." It is my opinion that what Cain did to Rothwell, Lesnar, Kongo, fading Nogueira, and prime Big Foot was indicative of a superior talent. His manner of victory counts for a lot in my book even if the names don't jump off the page at you.

 

[deadshot138]

Lol why did the mods edit out the context

 

[abject]

Cain Velasquez
Fabricio Werdum
Stipe Miocic
Cro Cop
Shane Carwin
Mark Hunt
Gabriel Gonzaga
Frank Mir
Gilbert Yvel (not a great win but JDS stood with him like a man and put him down like a sack of shit)
But based on his wins he is one of the best heavyweights ever.

Agreed. Beat Stipe after getting wrecked by Cain. Incredible fighter.

 

[TheGreenMachine]

You're welcome to make your own hypothetical assertions. They're no more valid than mine. I think Cain would outclass Stipe. I invite you to rewatch his fight with Werdum. He was easily the better man before he gassed - Werdum did his whole training camp in Mexico City while Cain showed up right before the fight like an idiot. Sea-level Cain would not have much difficulty with Werdum, imo. Again a hypothetical but altitude is no joke. The Ngannou fight was meaningless - Cain was so riddled with injuries by that point that he retired then and there. He was coming off a close to 3 year layoff due to injuries and was fighting once every other year before that. It's like saying Fedor would always lose to Big Foot except that actually has less asterisks.

I concede that these are "what-ifs." It is my opinion that what Cain did to Rothwell, Lesnar, Kongo, fading Nogueira, and prime Big Foot was indicative of a superior talent. His manner of victory counts for a lot in my book even if the names don't jump off the page at you.

And that's what they are, just hypotheticals.

Cain WAS finished by Werdum.
Cain WAS finished by Ngannou.

Everything else doesn't matter. He could have easily not taken the fights, but he did and was finished in both. I can what-ifs a ton of fighters, but only record matters.

 

[BowserJr]

Top 5 resume for sure

 

[RespectTheWarriors]

And that's what they are, just hypotheticals.

Cain WAS finished by Werdum.
Cain WAS finished by Ngannou.

Everything else doesn't matter. He could have easily not taken the fights, but he did and was finished in both. I can what-ifs a ton of fighters, but only record matters.

Going to assume you take no exception to me implying that prime Fedor would have always lost 3 straight to Werdum, Big Foot, and Henderson. To suggest anything else is a worthless hypothetical since we saw those losses.

I hope you realize how silly that is and are able to extend the logic.

 

[Ozze]

JDS is an all-time great but people are so invested in Fedor's (undeniable) greatness that Cain annihilating prime JDS twice means that we have to dismiss him.

Healthy Cain is the best ever HW, btw.

You mean Mexican Fedor?

But seriously, Cain is to me the biggest HW what if. I think he showed he could've been the greatest one but his career was t0o short (17 fights only), too inconsistent (injuries) and that JDS-Bigfoot-JDS-Bigfoot-JDS didn't help at all.

 

[Kungpowking]

JDS in his run up to the title was impressive. And he was still very dangerous after.

 

[Fight Professor]

Stipe's resume is wildly overrated IMHO and people who call him the HW GOAT are completely falling victim to the UFC hype machine. He is the definition of a good but not great fighter who competed at a very convenient time when the division was a dinosaur museum.

I highly doubt he would have had a fraction of the success in a different era and really, his performances were usually pretty pedestrian as well. He shares many of the same wins as JDS (years later) and his performances against them were far less impressive. People can hold whatever opinion they want but for me, Stipe was just never that impressive

Stipe lost a close decision against JDS early in the career but won the second time. He is 2-3 over DC and has impressive wins over Werdum and Overeem. Of course he would have been a top fighter if he has entered MMA 5 years earlier.

 

[StonedLemur]

Naw dude. You're the one that's way off. JDS gets zero respect or recognition for literally being a top 5 all-time HW.

That's because most people are filthy casuals, and I don't throw that word around all willy nilly sir.

 

[Psychojoe86]

lol @ Yvel not a great win. The guy has 34 wins from strikes (100% finishing rate) and JDS put him down in 1 round. It's not like he went out and blanketed him like Barnett did which proved nothing.

On topic though, I consider JDS the #3 HW of all time after Fedor and Werdum. His streak to the title exceeds anything Minotauro/Stipe/Cain did IMO and his late career losses when he was punchy don't impact his overall legacy for me.

Cain obviously had the potential to be great and had decisive wins over JDS but his career was cut far too short by injuries and his overall accomplishments pale in comparison to JDS.

Stipe's resume is wildly overrated IMHO and people who call him the HW GOAT are completely falling victim to the UFC hype machine. He is the definition of a good but not great fighter who competed at a very convenient time when the division was a dinosaur museum.

I highly doubt he would have had a fraction of the success in a different era and really, his performances were usually pretty pedestrian as well. He shares many of the same wins as JDS (years later) and his performances against them were far less impressive. People can hold whatever opinion they want but for me, Stipe was just never that impressive

Pretty much mirrors how I feel with JDS. He was outstanding, amazing ufc debut knocking out Werdum in first round. Went undefeated in the ufc to win the title, even defended once. He was passed for title shots by both Carwin and Cain, despite being undefeated as well.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

lol @ Yvel not a great win. The guy has 34 wins from strikes (100% finishing rate) and JDS put him down in 1 round. It's not like he went out and blanketed him like Barnett did which proved nothing.

On topic though, I consider JDS the #3 HW of all time after Fedor and Werdum. His streak to the title exceeds anything Minotauro/Stipe/Cain did IMO and his late career losses when he was punchy don't impact his overall legacy for me.

Cain obviously had the potential to be great and had decisive wins over JDS but his career was cut far too short by injuries and his overall accomplishments pale in comparison to JDS.

Stipe's resume is wildly overrated IMHO and people who call him the HW GOAT are completely falling victim to the UFC hype machine. He is the definition of a good but not great fighter who competed at a very convenient time when the division was a dinosaur museum.

I highly doubt he would have had a fraction of the success in a different era and really, his performances were usually pretty pedestrian as well. He shares many of the same wins as JDS (years later) and his performances against them were far less impressive. People can hold whatever opinion they want but for me, Stipe was just never that impressive

Yvel was a still a good win at the time, and I will admit i was picking Yvel to win that fight. Thought that JDS would get into a fire fight with a superior striker, didn't realize how good he was at the time.