Jumping guard should be illegal!!!

[Jimmy Cerra]

I had a great time refereeing a tournament today, but I noticed something that bothers me. It should be illegal. Here me out.

Jumping guard should also be illegal. Since moving to Southern California, I've seen many more people jumping guard. A worrying number of them are hurting their back or their head if they hit the ground violently during the jump. Others get slammed when the other competitor can't support their weight. It's already considered a takedown in the IBJJF in certain circumstances. Butt scooting is already illegal, as it should be.

This should not be confused with pulling guard (pulling the guy to the ground). That can be a legit technique. You can control your impact with the mat, which is especially useful if you are already hurt. (Believe me, I just hurt my knuckle badly by hand fighting while going for a takedown recently... I should've just pulled guard and been more careful before the pans. Still competing though.) It controls where the fight takes place, and allows you to fight where you're best.

Granted most of the injuries seem to be occurring among children and smaller competitors. However, aren't these the ones we should protect the most? I feel jumping onto a guy without trying to pull him to the mat shouldn't be allowed. It's already illegal at the Gracie Nationals (which allows knee reaps for black belt competitors IIRC). I feel jumping guard should be banned across the board.

 

[kietzmanc]

Survival of the fittest, if you are doing something that may result in injury it's on you not to do it. The guys getting hurt shouldnt ruin for the dudes who arent.

 

[Ice 9 Cobra]

What infuriates me about jumping guard is the top guy is made responsible for the jumpers safety. I've seen guys lose balance and fall, slamming the guy and getting dqed

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

Survival of the fittest, if you are doing something that may result in injury it's on you not to do it. The guys getting hurt shouldnt ruin for the dudes who arent.

Like Ice 9 Cobra said, you're relying on the other guy not slamming you. It's not exactly survival of the fittest...

 

[lechien]

I agree.
Relying on someoneone not slamming you is wrong.
I also discourage the koala hug. Hugging you opponent in your closed guard once he stands up

 

[RJ Green]

Would flying triangles and armbars fall under that umbrella? Anything is dangerous if you can't fall properly. I also agree with kietzmanc that responsibility for safety starts with the player.

I think the slam ban is the problem. Its one thing to pick someone up from guard and piledrive them, but a dude jumping and monkey clinging on someone has it coming.

 

[leebyun]

Many people doesn't know how to jump guard properly resulting in injury. If you do dumb things, then you will get hurt.

 

[lechien]

There is no ways to jump guard safely.

Pull guard yes

 

[rtodd]

I had a great time refereeing a tournament today, but I noticed something that bothers me. It should be illegal. Here me out.

Jumping guard should also be illegal. Since moving to Southern California, I've seen many more people jumping guard. A worrying number of them are hurting their back or their head if they hit the ground violently during the jump. Others get slammed when the other competitor can't support their weight. It's already considered a takedown in the IBJJF in certain circumstances. Butt scooting is already illegal, as it should be.

This should not be confused with pulling guard (pulling the guy to the ground). That can be a legit technique. You can control your impact with the mat, which is especially useful if you are already hurt. (Believe me, I just hurt my knuckle badly by hand fighting while going for a takedown recently... I should've just pulled guard and been more careful before the pans. Still competing though.) It controls where the fight takes place, and allows you to fight where you're best.

Granted most of the injuries seem to be occurring among children and smaller competitors. However, aren't these the ones we should protect the most? I feel jumping onto a guy without trying to pull him to the mat shouldn't be allowed. It's already illegal at the Gracie Nationals (which allows knee reaps for black belt competitors IIRC). I feel jumping guard should be banned across the board.

In wrestling there's techniques that aren't allowed until higher levels of competition.

Simple solution, don't allow jumping guard for kids, then allow it in pro competition. If your a big enough boy to fight for a living, your old enough to know the risks. Stepping into an overhand right seems a hell of a lot more dangerous than jumping guard.

 

[Aethyr]

I believe GB tournaments have banned jumping guard for white belts.

 

[Jonas g33k]

One of my team-mate popped the knee of someone with a guard-jump. Since then I'm always really careful about this.

On the other hand, takedowns can be really dangerous too. I also train judo and I've seen a lot of injuries even during practice.

 

[marian]

Man, if I only did safe sh!te I would have died of boredom years ago.

A'ight. I'm a guard jumper.
IDGAF. At this level (whitebelt), it works for me. AYHSMB.

Don't want me to jump guard on you like a monkey jumping on to a tree well, then, do something to stop me. Stop making threads to bitch about the legal shit people do in comps when you could be training to prevent or counter aforementioned legal technique.


Whaaaa! I always get armbar'd. That should be illegal at the white belt level because I could have broken my arm!
Ugh, just fucking train more and bitch less.
Jesus.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Man, if I only did safe sh!te I would have died of boredom years ago.

A'ight. I'm a guard jumper.
IDGAF. At this level (whitebelt), it works for me. AYHSMB.

Don't want me to jump guard on you like a monkey jumping on to a tree well, then, do something to stop me. Stop making threads to bitch about the legal shit people do in comps when you could be training to prevent or counter aforementioned legal technique.


Whaaaa! I always get armbar'd. That should be illegal at the white belt level because I could have broken my arm!
Ugh, just fucking train more and bitch less.
Jesus.

my reaction to your post.

then i googled the bolded part.

keep on being awesome.

 

[BJJArsenal]

I used to jump guard, now I pull it.

I think people get more seriously injured getting thrown though. I think you're all sensationalising the dangers of jumping guard.

 

[loyalyolayal]

I used to jump guard, now I pull it.

I think people get more seriously injured getting thrown though. I think you're all sensationalising the dangers of jumping guard.

You are trying to hurt you're opponent with a throw which is quite understandable. Pulling guard has a chance of you injuring yourself.

 

[crazyjames1233]

jumping guard isnt that dangerous in tournaments if you do it right. if guys get hurt doing it it is their own fault. banning jumping guard is only going to encourage more butt scooting footsies that everyone complains about.

 

[Einarr]

Jumping guard is the epitome of dumb - the technique has negative real world applicability. Do that in a real fight and you're getting your head bounced on concrete.

Even as a "sport-only" technique (which shouldn't its dumb. You're really on your opponent not to slam you - whether on purpose or by accident. It has the potential to be very dangerous. Plus, putting the responsibility for not slamming on your opponent is ridiculous - don't put yourself in a position to be slammed in the first place.

That said I wouldn't ban it outright. Always award the points for a takedown to the guy being jumped on. BJJ points are meant to be awarded for their street appicability, right? Well, this is literally suicide in a street fight, so awarding 2 points is nothing. We should then hopefully see guard-jumping die out semi-organically.

 

[Einarr]

Man, if I only did safe sh!te I would have died of boredom years ago.

A'ight. I'm a guard jumper.
IDGAF. At this level (whitebelt), it works for me. AYHSMB.

Don't want me to jump guard on you like a monkey jumping on to a tree well, then, do something to stop me. Stop making threads to bitch about the legal shit people do in comps when you could be training to prevent or counter aforementioned legal technique.


Whaaaa! I always get armbar'd. That should be illegal at the white belt level because I could have broken my arm!
Ugh, just fucking train more and bitch less.
Jesus.

I hope someone slams the stupid out of you.

 

[mixmaster staph]

Alternatively, allow slams. That way, if someone holds onto a triangle after a guy hoists them into the air, jumps guard, lets someone pick them up with closed guard etc, it's their own damn fault.

If slams were allowed, you probably wouldn't see a huge increase in slams, but you'd see a huge decrease in stupid shit.

Slams being legal, at least in limited applications (such as picking someone up in a triangle...because if the guy keeps the triangle he deserves to lose the rest of their brain cells). It doesn't have to be that you can, in the absolutes, simply grab a guy half your weight and smash him into the mat over and over again. But having NO slams at all makes some exchanges fairly unrealistic.

 

[Irenaeus]

That said I wouldn't ban it outright. Always award the points for a takedown to the guy being jumped on.

I kind of like this solution.