Social Judge rules medicaid information can be shared with ICE

[PainIsLIfe]

Excuse me? Privacy? lol...

Why are the recipients getting free Tax payer Benefits subject to privacy?

The IRS sure has a complete list of everyone who's required to pay for the Tax Payer Benefits

So Social Service groups can hand out Tax Payer money to people who don't qualify or deserve it... and no one would be the wiser? I mean, that's definitely not happening... like right now.

lol

As weird as it sounds the IRS is forbiden by law from cross reference with Social Security and reporting that info to authorities in regards to illegals.

 

[MetalMilitia]

The 14th Amendment has been shredded repeatedly since its inception.

Lol@due process and rights under a regime that has tried to redefine "due process" as being handed a piece of paper and violates rights essentially daily, and of actual citizens, not even "illegals."

The surveillance empire is privatized genius. This data is going straight to Palantir/Oracle. The argument about audits wasnt to imply the Government was going to do anything right, so you just bolstered my point. We KNOW they're going to f*ck up and this judge just made it easier to.

So what you're trying to say is that the illegals that are here illegally are illegal? Or did we skip past addressing that simple fact? My god -- what lengths some of you funny blue name fellas will go to to skirt the direct questions.

Ya just jumped straight the fuck into “the government sucks, the constitution is dead, everything’s dystopian” -- like that magically turns an illegal immigrant into a citizen by emotional bullshit. The system being incompetent doesn’t mean we stop enforcing law -- it just means we enforce it badly -- like everything else they fuckin' touch. We never done anything smooth in the history of ever -- that's agreeable as fuck.

But ya ranting about palantir, audits, surveillance doom, government overreach, big brother, skynet with a clipboard, army of the seven monkeys -- (I swear, you boys with blue names do everything BUT stay on topic) -- but none of that answers the base question -- illegals aren’t supposed to be here.

Full stop -- they still get due process -- even if it’s written in crayon and stapled crooked by a government intern named Kyle (ya know, the one with the lisp) -- but now ICE can find them without playing where's fuckin' waldo with taxpayer money.

Ya don’t fix citizen rights by shielding non-citizens, man. Ya just turn a clown show into a clown show with VIP seating for people who hopped the fence. If the circus is on fire -- maybe step one is not adding more clowns. Especially -- let's say it together now -- ILLEGAL ONES.

 

[chardog]

No. I'm not going to say you're blatantly lying but this is false. The Fedeeal Government didn't make blanket policies on covid for anyone except Federal employees. It did pressure OSHA and other organizations to. There is no federal registry of anything to do with covid. And that's because of the 10th Amendment. States had the right to enforce their own covid measures.

This is overruling that. So as always Republicans are showing that they're all about those States' rights, until it becomes a political inconvenience.

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

It is an inherent risk taking government handouts, this is what you signup for, no different than signing up for Facebook for example.

This not a position statement on whether or not universal health care should be granted to certain people, just a general statement that if you use government services, there will be rules that come with it.

 

[Sinister]

Im on the fence on this; on the 1 hand it will help ICE do their job - probably in a safer manner.

On the other it seems kind of like secret no-fly list or patriot act like.

There is ZERO reason to trust that creating databases is about immigration enforcement alone. And anyone putting forth that idea is engaging in stupidity so absurd its not even funny anymore. It's just Nationalism being used to excuse power grabs, to perpetuate the rule of the establishment, nothing more

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying

You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

It is an inherent risk taking government handouts, this is what you signup for, no different than signing up for Facebook for example.

This not a position statement on whether or not universal health care should be granted to certain people, just a general statement that if you use government services, there will be rules that come with it.

I do understand what you're saying, its just wrong. The Federal Government doesnt have unilateral power to demand State data. They sure are gonna claim they do now.

 

[Sinister]

So what you're trying to say is that the illegals that are here illegally are illegal? Or did we skip past addressing that simple fact? My god -- what lengths some of you funny blue name fellas will go to to skirt the direct questions.

Ya just jumped straight the fuck into “the government sucks, the constitution is dead, everything’s dystopian” -- like that magically turns an illegal immigrant into a citizen by emotional bullshit. The system being incompetent doesn’t mean we stop enforcing law -- it just means we enforce it badly -- like everything else they fuckin' touch. We never done anything smooth in the history of ever -- that's agreeable as fuck.

But ya ranting about palantir, audits, surveillance doom, government overreach, big brother, skynet with a clipboard, army of the seven monkeys -- (I swear, you boys with blue names do everything BUT stay on topic) -- but none of that answers the base question -- illegals aren’t supposed to be here.

Full stop -- they still get due process -- even if it’s written in crayon and stapled crooked by a government intern named Kyle (ya know, the one with the lisp) -- but now ICE can find them without playing where's fuckin' waldo with taxpayer money.

Ya don’t fix citizen rights by shielding non-citizens, man. Ya just turn a clown show into a clown show with VIP seating for people who hopped the fence. If the circus is on fire -- maybe step one is not adding more clowns. Especially -- let's say it together now -- ILLEGAL ONES.

This is all red herring. This ruling is a violation of the 14th Amendment. The Federal Government should never have the right to demand State resident data that includes confidential medical records, and a whole host of other very intimate information that people give when applying for medicaid. I dont care what justification they're trying to use for it.

I get it that you're ok with authoritarian power grabs if it means less undesirables, but Im not and no amount of "rah rah those people" is gonna make me ok with it.

 

[Darkballs]

Which one is it? Can't be both.

The ruling clearly holds that ICE can access all medicaid data in order to help find undocumented migrants. You need to read further than the first quote you can take out of context.

So yes, the poster you were responding to was correct. You bent over and applauded federal overreach because you think it will never apply to you. It's typical amongst republicans.

 

[My Spot]

Im on the fence on this; on the 1 hand it will help ICE do their job - probably in a safer manner.

On the other it seems kind of like secret no-fly list or patriot act like.

The good ole days when Sinister under his/her/their Queen B account argued in favor of the no fly list and the Patriot Act.

 

[Scerpi]

As weird as it sounds the IRS is forbiden by law from cross reference with Social Security and reporting that info to authorities in regards to illegals.

Well good luck with the IRS when your Social Security number is compromised by an illegal immigrant with fake papers.

NY Times story on illegal immigrant stealing Minnesota man's identity sparks debate, gets blasted by JD Vance

The New York Times sparked intense debate with its story about an illegal immigrant accused of stealing the identity of an American man, with conservatives crying foul at the framing.

www.foxnews.com

Father's life ruined by migrant who stole his social security number

Daniel Kluver, a hardworking Minnesota father, was slammed with IRS debt after an illegal migrant stole his identity and was working under his name for 15 years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

For more than a decade, Kluver was hounded by the IRS and pushed to the brink of bankruptcy - until it finally emerged that the real culprit was an illegal migrant who had stolen his identity.

Kluver, 42, had known something was wrong ever since the IRS first slammed his family with tax bills he swore he didn’t owe more than a decade ago.

Despite living quietly in Olivia, Minnesota, for over 40 years, the factory worker suddenly began receiving mysterious pay stubs for jobs across the Midwest.

To the IRS, it looked like he was working multiple jobs and earning more than $130,000 a year - while only paying taxes on a single salary.

Pérez-Bravo assumed several identities over decades living illegally in the U.S. According to the Times, he racked up several drunk-driving charges and was deported in 2005, 2008 and 2009, but he returned each time and bought another illicit ID, according to the report. The fake Kluver was involved in a fatal car accident in 2022 when he accidentally struck and killed a man who was riding with his granddaughter on a motorized tricycle, according to the report. That led to a wrongful death lawsuit, with Kluver listed as the defendant.

The Times story highlighted the real Kluver's frustrations with liberal politicians in Minnesota who thought illegal immigration was a victimless crime, as he pointed to his debts and the frustrations of waiting for an investigation to find the impostor. Eventually, investigators took his case and discovered Pérez-Bravo, who was charged with aggravated identity theft and false representation of a Social Security number. He was held in detention for six weeks before an initial bond hearing in April and is currently awaiting trial, where he almost certainly will face prison time and another deportation, the Times reported.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

And on top of all this Sherdog is obsessed with ensuring that we’re not bots.
Oh, the injustice!

 

[MetalMilitia]

This is all red herring. This ruling is a violation of the 14th Amendment. The Federal Government should never have the right to demand State resident data that includes confidential medical records, and a whole host of other very intimate information that people give when applying for medicaid. I dont care what justification they're trying to use for it.

I get it that you're ok with authoritarian power grabs if it means less undesirables, but Im not and no amount of "rah rah those people" is gonna make me ok with it.

Since no illegal is "on medicaid" (Hakeem told me so) -- I - tink - I - C - Wat - U - R - Rly - tryng - 2 - do - herr...

So what this really comes down to is this -- illegals cannot get federal Medicaid -- period (emergency exceptions circumstances) -- and only certain states (like my lovely MN and people abusing it's social systems) have created their own state funded programs (MA/MNsure in our case -- which PAYS illegals healthcare to many extents) to work around that limitation. In states that don’t -- they simply don’t get "coverage" because they’re, well… fuckin' illegal. That part isn’t complicated.

Sure as fuck would make it easier to round up ILLEGAL people from those states that KNOW exactly where ILLEGAL people are though -- CA (Blue), CO (Blue), IL (Blue), MN (Blue), NY (Blue), OR (Blue), WA (Blue), DC (Blue/Urban) -- Nope, I don't see any pattern or bias for states that give ILLEGALS a state option forms healthcare (paid outta state pocjet) -- None at all. Forget I mentioned it.

Which means your objection isn’t actually about the 14th Amendment -- it’s about fuckin' preventing enforcement from knowing when an illegal immigrant is receiving state-funded benefits -- You could say it that way, but it doesn't sound as nice as the bullshit gymnastics display ya just performed I 'spose.

Yer upset that data sharing makes them visible to ICE -- because visibility leads to due process -- which might fuckin' lead to deportation bye-bye like they should be. That’s not "really" a constitutional argument -- that’s an argument for shielding people from the consequences of being here unlawfully.

For shame, sir.

Lemme see if I get this right -- Maybe I fucked up somewhere, so we'll clarify:

Are you arguing that undocumented immigrants (ILLEGALS) who receive state-funded healthcare should be protected from federal immigration enforcement knowing they exist -- Is that a "YAY" or a "NAY"?

This is the core of your position. If the issue is constitutional, cite the clause. If the issue is emotional discomfort with deportation -- just say that plainly.

 

[Hog-train]

This is all red herring. This ruling is a violation of the 14th Amendment. The Federal Government should never have the right to demand State resident data that includes confidential medical records, and a whole host of other very intimate information that people give when applying for medicaid. I dont care what justification they're trying to use for it.

I get it that you're ok with authoritarian power grabs if it means less undesirables, but Im not and no amount of "rah rah those people" is gonna make me ok with it.

The data available is limited to six categories of basic personal information: citizenship status, immigration status, address, phone number, date of birth, and Medicaid ID.

LMAO at you people wanting ICE to have ZERO methods of identifying illegals.

So you don't want ICE to be able to stop people on the street, can't pick them up from prison, can't access government services lists like Medicaid, can't check their status on airplane flights, can't pick them up in courthouses, can't get info from IRS, can't pick them up from anywhere.

So how the hell is ICE supposed to even operate at all then?

What you truly want is zero deportations, which is never happening.

The ruling clearly holds that ICE can access all medicaid data in order to help find undocumented migrants. You need to read further than the first quote you can take out of context.

No that's not what the ruling says at all. The information that can legally be accessed is limited - just their immigration status and identity information like address.

Beyond the obvious immigrants dont get medicaid lie, what do you think about the govt using private info to track illegal immigrants?

All illegal immigrants still get emergency Medicaid. And several states offer Medicaid to illegals.

 

[Darkballs]

No that's not what the ruling says at all. The information that can legally be accessed is limited - just their immigration status and identity information like address.

This is where you need to use your brain: And how exactly do you think they'll get access to that data without compromising the rest of it? You think they are going to put in adequate safeguards and restrict access on a case-by-case basis?

This is the same group of retards who let Elon and his teenagers access whatever government systems they wanted, with zero oversight. So I'm not sure who you think you're kidding by pretending this won't happen again.

 

[Sinister]

The data available is limited to six categories of basic personal information: citizenship status, immigration status, address, phone number, date of birth, and Medicaid ID.

LMAO at you people wanting ICE to have ZERO methods of identifying illegals.

So you don't want ICE to be able to stop people on the street, can't pick them up from prison, can't access government services lists like Medicaid, can't check their status on airplane flights, can't pick them up in courthouses, can't get info from IRS, can't pick them up from anywhere.

So how the hell is ICE supposed to even operate at all then?

What you truly want is zero deportations, which is never happening.



No that's not what the ruling says at all. The information that can legally be accessed is limited - just their immigration status and identity information like address.



All illegal immigrants still get emergency Medicaid. And several states offer Medicaid to illegals.

LMAO I dont even want ICE to exist. It's a byproduct of reactionary 9/11 legislation with one specific purpose. Give the Governnent more power. And some of you in here are applauding it because they sell it to your sense of xenophobia. The Nationalist desire for isolationism, compromising rights under the guise of "safety." And its laughable that you're the same types who screamed from the the tallest mountains that you might have to wear a mask, seal clapping for secret police who are now going to have the means to access data of US citizens.

And judging by the track record of the uneducated, undertrained, law enforcement rejects working for ICE so far, the concern is absolutely warranted.

 

[Hog-train]

LMAO I dont even want ICE to exist. It's a byproduct of reactionary 9/11 legislation with one specific purpose. Give the Governnent more power. And some of you in here are applauding it because they sell it to your sense of xenophobia. The Nationalist desire for isolationism, compromising rights under the guise of "safety." And its laughable that you're the same types who screamed from the the tallest mountains that you might have to wear a mask, seal clapping for secret police who are now going to have the means to access data of US citizens.

And judging by the track record of the uneducated, undertrained, law enforcement rejects working for ICE so far, the concern is absolutely warranted.

You want a completely open border.

You want people who: falsely claim asylum, go through the years long court process with appeals and then when inevitably rejected and ordered deported, you want them NOT deported.

That's a completely open border. There are 1.4 million people in this country that have final deportation orders, but are not leaving.

 

[Sinister]

You want a completely open border.

You want people who: falsely claim asylum, go through the years long court process with appeals and then when inevitably rejected and ordered deported, you want them NOT deported.

That's a completely open border. There are 1.4 million people in this country that have final deportation orders, but are not leaving.

That's not an open border. You don't know what an open border is.

What I don't want is systemic abuse and Government overreach like you want:

 

[Sinister]

Hey you know how y'all are always crying about men in women's bathrooms?

 

[Barteh]

Seems like pretty gross government overreach.

Does the US constitution really allow something like this or is the judge just gay and retarded (and corrupt)?

 

[Sinister]

Seems like pretty gross government overreach.

Does the US constitution really allow something like this or is the judge just gay and retarded (and corrupt)?

The Antebellum Constitution certainly does. Your be surprised some of the egregious Government overreach our illustrious "Founding Fathers" engaged in once they got into the office of the Executive. That's why there were numerous Anti-Federalists even in Government, who saw that there was too much concentration of power. That's why the Reconstruction Amendments have been targeted essentially since they were ratified even with the authors alive.

The original Constitution was criticized as giving the President powers even the King of England didnt have (true) and allowed for more. To further concentrate this power the ideologically subservient Court must attack the Amendments that dictated that the Bill of Rights extended to everyone, and any Amendments that expanded rights. That's what we're watching in real time. That's the heart of "originalism."

 

[LeonardoBjj]

that is an inherent feature of state sponsored health care, you give into your providers to some extent. This was shown through covid, you work for government, they can make arbitrary rules and you comply or get kicked out.

- It's like that here