Jordan Peterson recovering from severe tranquilizer addiction in Russia

[hillelslovak87]

"Here, try this man made concoction. It will help cure your natural human emotional condition"

That is pure evil.

The insane reliance upon medication within the psychology field is one of the reasons I'm pondering over getting my master's in psychology and working as a psychologist, or getting my bachelor's and working as a therapist. Therapists seem to deal with the actual mental disorder, and practical assistance, where the psychologists seem to throw pills at problems a lot more.

 

[Phlog]

The insane reliance upon medication within the psychology field is one of the reasons I'm pondering over getting my master's in psychology and working as a psychologist, or getting my bachelor's and working as a therapist. Therapists seem to deal with the actual mental disorder, and practical assistance, where the psychologists seem to throw pills at problems a lot more.

I was under the impression that psychologists do not have any prescription duties, I believe you're confusing them with psychiatrists, who are doctors and can prescribe medications.

 

[Phlog]

Not at all. Nothing I said had any connotation about racism. Point was you have a group of people who get really vicious when it comes to a discussion about things like suicide or depression in general. But you take that same discussion, and talk about it in the context of white males, those same people all of a sudden have an output of empathy. And that is usually because they can place blame on liberals and use it for political fodder. Its not about race, its about politics.

Now lets take the white guy angle out and talk specifically about JP. How many people who have contempt towards the depressed or suicidal all of a sudden have sympathy for JP. They can do the same thing because a) he is on their political team, and b) he can be used for political fodder. Kind of like how people in this thread blame liberals for his condition.

I used white males as an example here because that is the context I have seen in discussions here. But other contexts can be used like when discussing a specific person.

Or perhaps they feel a connection to the man and therefore feel greater empathy for him than those they view as others. I think your fascination, focus or interest in race is clouding your judgement.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I was under the impression that psychologists do not have any prescription duties, I believe you're confusing them with psychiatrists, who are doctors and can prescribe medications.

You're right. It's not like I'm studying to be one, LOL!

 

[SandaKicker]

I think the reason he got so upset about the whole social justice craziness in his university, is because he saw a lot of his own madness in the ranks of those people. He knew that, if not put in check, those people were going to be very self-destructive with their ideas, and thus he turned into their ultimate critic. Peterson himself apparently had a breakdown earlier in his life due to world war/nuclear weapon related concerns, which ultimately turned out to be just hype by the media and the elites. Equipped with that knowledge of his own failures, he started to question the ideas of the modern, suicidal and depressed youth, who were rapidly heading towards a similar, painful path.

Not saying that's not true but have you got a source on that?

That seems like a pretty huge part of the Peterson story that often gets missed out if it is true.

 

[Phlog]

I don't have the time or willingness to go and dig up all the things that are wrong with what he says but it is a lot. The guy is totally full of shit IMO. He is incredibly intelligent and so there are some things that he says that are insightful I won't argue against that.

I take my advice on how to live from people whose lives are excellent in all areas and have been for a good long time giving them perspective. A guy who is caught in addiction is on the very beginning end of a spiritual journey. He is just getting started but at the same time trying to guide thousands. In AA they would call him a newcomer who knows shit about how to live. This is apparent in all of his talks.

As far as humility goes let's start with the fact that he gives advice for people to clean their rooms and then gets caught posting pics of a disaster of a room, or let's talk about how he comments on the bible but says he won't consult biblical scholars on what the texts mean, and most importantly let's talk about a guy telling others to live better who is in the throws of addiction.

There have been some really good criticisms posted online of his positions on religion and on sociology and world history that reveal him talking way past his area of expertise often.

His journey to sobriety should help him gain some humility and a broader perspective, but I'm not holding my breath.

You don't have any criticism of any value.

Self help information is best sourced from those who have required the most self help.

If you were looking for information on how to be jacked would you want to listen to someone who worked their whole life to make it happen or some kid with a myostatin mutation meaning they pile on twice as much muscle?

You don't gain perspective from being excellent in all areas, you lose it. Evidenced by the perspectives of people who are very successful, Oprah Winfrey's belief in wishing for example.

You have a preconceived notion and are failing to provide any evidence for it. I suggest not trying because it's making you look silly! (Don't worry we all do it sometimes)

 

[Phlog]

You're right. It's not like I'm studying to be one, LOL!

Don't worry it's like I studied to be one

 

[hillelslovak87]

I was randomly wondering what became of him the other day since I hadnt heard of anything in a while.

Sad, this will always be used against him and his reputation and influence will be permanently damaged by it regardless of circumstance and necessity.

I appreciated the contrarian message to our zeitgeist, if only for having such a loud one exist for a little while. It became repetitive after a while but what doesnt? Looking forward to his JRE in a year and wish him an easy transition into an assumed desire to go back to Bolivian obscurity.

I believe the lasting message could easily be that ideologies can coexist, well maybe not easily since humans are just advanced chimps, a violent, savage and dumb species overall.

Anyway, peace sherfamily, bury your hatchets... and do clean your filthy disgusting rooms too.

It's weird people could lick their lips over him having problems instead of shining a light on his shitty ideas that lack an understanding of pertinent topics.

 

[ctrlaltdelete]

It's weird people could lick their lips over him having problems instead of shining a light on his shitty ideas that lack an understanding of pertinent topics.

It's always been easier to throw stones than to debate.

 

[Clear Winner]

I hope he gets better. He's been looking ill for a while now. I'm left-leaning, but he's always seemed like a nice guy out of the various guys the right champions.

 

[Nimrod]

Is the psychological significance of the bible a book or a lecture? I'm very interested.

Its a lecture serious on his youtube channel, its amazing and worth repeated viewings..



Thats the first .. 17 in total

 

[Nimrod]

It's weird people could lick their lips over him having problems instead of shining a light on his shitty ideas that lack an understanding of pertinent topics.

Ok boss ..

We all await your books and guidance ..

Show us what YOU got.

 

[TheGreatA]

Not saying that's not true but have you got a source on that?

That seems like a pretty huge part of the Peterson story that often gets missed out if it is true.

It's from his book "Maps of Meaning".

Maps of Meaning offers clues to the strongly held political stances that have turned Peterson into a controversial philosopher-pundit. In college, he writes, he espoused socialism almost by default. He tried to emulate the movement’s leaders, dutifully attending meetings, absorbing their slogans and repeating their arguments. Over time, though, he found that he didn’t respect his fellow activists, who struck him as perpetually aggrieved and suspiciously underemployed. "They had no career, frequently, and no family, no completed education — nothing but ideology," he writes. He also discovered that he often didn’t believe the things he was enthusiastically spouting. "Despite my verbal facility, I was not real," he writes. "I found this painful to admit." He also became obsessed with the looming prospect of nuclear war between the Soviet Union and the United States. He fell into a depression, suffered "apocalyptic dreams" several nights a week, and fought against "vaguely suicidal thoughts."

https://www.chronicle.com/article/What-s-So-Dangerous-About/242256

 

[spinup]

I don't have much positive to say about Peterson. He's an intellectual fraud who only got fame because he was conveniently rubbing an ideological movement the right way at the right time, then convincing himself he was a sort of genius for having millions of gullible disciples.

That said, depression and anxiety can happen to anyone, so can prescription drugs addictions and shitty life situations like his. It's not karma, it's not well deserved. Wish him a good recovery, and courage in his coming personnal battles.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Ok boss ..

We all await your books and guidance ..

Show us what YOU got.

Clean YOUR room.

 

[TrueBias]

Didnt he already go through something like this within the past year? Is this rhe same recovery or something new?

 

[Madmick]

Hope he gets well.

But this should be a reality check for a lot of people who make a cult of personality with Peterson.

BTW..: Russia? Random as fuck.

Sort of like the cult surrounding Bernie Sanders when it was published that he owns three houses, eh?

That's the thing about "cults". Headlines such as these don't break them.

 

[BearGrounds]

Not at all. Nothing I said had any connotation about racism. Point was you have a group of people who get really vicious when it comes to a discussion about things like suicide or depression in general. But you take that same discussion, and talk about it in the context of white males, those same people all of a sudden have an output of empathy. And that is usually because they can place blame on liberals and use it for political fodder. Its not about race, its about politics.

Now lets take the white guy angle out and talk specifically about JP. How many people who have contempt towards the depressed or suicidal all of a sudden have sympathy for JP. They can do the same thing because a) he is on their political team, and b) he can be used for political fodder. Kind of like how people in this thread blame liberals for his condition.

I used white males as an example here because that is the context I have seen in discussions here. But other contexts can be used like when discussing a specific person.

<puh-lease75>

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Everybody put away your bruised feelings, ladies.
This guy is controversial and kind of an asshole, so this thread was bound for rough seas.

Relax, bitches.

 

[Nimrod]

Clean YOUR room.

Was actually hoping for something original .. We still await the next Yung.