Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris - Who do you prefer?

Who do you prefer?

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sleepwalk said:
Dangerous? Shit. More than "dangerous." The current writer of Captain America has modeled their interpretation of The Red Skull, the uber-nazi and most despised villain in the Marvel Universe, after a Canadian psych professor who talks like Kermit the Frog.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/ne...ehisi-coates-captain-america-comic-reactions/
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One of the silliest things I have heard in a long time.

Why do you think people are so threatened by him?

I wonder how much is inspired by Jordan Peterson and how much was inspired by his father, a real life terrorist?

Racism is wrong, whether the racist person is black, white, green or orange.

So is the new Captain America going to be fighting for Reparations now?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

Doesn't seem like Captain America did so well.
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2020.html
 
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Eh I like Eric Weinstein. Wish there was more "intellectuals" like him.
 
None of the above.

I don't spend much time listening to folks that try and make a career out of telling others how they should live anymore.
 
Phlog said:
Jordan Peterson owns up to his faults and his efforts to correct them.

It's like how elite athletes fail to become great coaches, they just can't relate to anyone who isn't elite.

If you're looking for self help, you better go to someone who knows what it's like to need help, only they are going to be able to really help you.

So why don't you look to the beam in your own eye before the mote of dust in your brothers?
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Funny how a cult figure with nothing but insane diagrams and a failed understanding of post-modernism/Marxism is likened to Jesus.

Like Jesus was raking 60,000 a month in Patreon money, after he'd built his name on failing to understand a law..........
 
spacegnome said:
here is an important article showing why jordon peterson is a fraud and pseudo intellectual. it picks apart the main techniques that peterson uses to dupe people into the profundity of his positions.

this is well written and does not take any cheap shots at peterson like so many do.

@scorpipede

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
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Too bad people didn't understand, 7 YEARS AGO, that he was a fraud.

You only even heard of him after he failed to grasp the fundamentals of a Canadian discrimination law he thought pertained to places like Universities which it did not.

Then you look into him? It's a career of Los Angeles level newage hippy bullshit repackaged with odd christian ideas and diagrammed to hell. None of his alt right freak supporters ever bothered to press him on the fact that he fundamentally does not understand Marxism, Post-Modernism, or their relation to each-other.

How people fall for these self help gurus, especially when they're as lame as Peterson, I do not know. Did Tony Robbins ever shake hands with the devil after a bout with apple cider?
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Too bad people didn't understand, 7 YEARS AGO, that he was a fraud.

You only even heard of him after he failed to grasp the fundamentals of a Canadian discrimination law he thought pertained to places like Universities which it did not.
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I once heard him sarcastically referred to as "the Rosa Parks of refusing to use trans people's preferred pronouns." Pretty accurate.

hillelslovak87 said:
Then you look into him? It's a career of Los Angeles level newage hippy bullshit repackaged with odd christian ideas and diagrammed to hell. None of his alt right freak supporters ever bothered to press him on the fact that he fundamentally does not understand Marxism, Post-Modernism, or their relation to each-other.

How people fall for these self help gurus, especially when they're as lame as Peterson, I do not know. Did Tony Robbins ever shake hands with the devil after a bout with apple cider?
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HOLA said:
I once heard him sarcastically referred to as "the Rosa Parks of refusing to use trans people's preferred pronouns." Pretty accurate.
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The best bit is where he tells people to clean their rooms as a sort of mental first step, and it turns out he lives like a slob.

It's like if you found out Tony Robbins was addicted to coke. Right? Undercuts the message. But Tony Robinson would never get addicted to any illicit drug, would he?
 
I prefer Harris if I'm trying to fall asleep. Otherwise, Peterson.
 
spacegnome said:
here is an important article showing why jordon peterson is a fraud and pseudo intellectual. it picks apart the main techniques that peterson uses to dupe people into the profundity of his positions.

this is well written and does not take any cheap shots at peterson like so many do.

@scorpipede

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
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"12 rules for life" is clearly a book about ethics. Ethics is the branch of philosophy that's interested in answering the question: "What's a good way to live your life?" Evidence and science, by definition, don't apply; ethics is interested in the subjective experience of human beings. There's a long history of psychologists and precursors of psychology sharing their view on this topic. Plato thought that the best way to live your life was to be guided by reason. The Stoics proposed that each person accept their place in the universe and face adversity with courage and equanimity. Nietzsche and Adler thought that life inherently had no meaning and it was up to the individual to create their own meaning and purpose. Schopenhauer thought that life was suffering and that the best way to live was to accept this fact instead of living in denial. Kant thought that each individual should create and follow their own morals instead of acquiescing to what society taught them. Trying to "debunk" ethics is nonsense, it's like going through Marcus Aurelius' meditations and going "Well, ackshually..."
 
Petersons Personality and its Transformations lecture series is incredible. Peterson is right about a lot of things, but not always. To say he does not have good points and is a snake oil salesman like Robbins I think is stupid. Obviously he is a very intelligent man and definately one of the greatest minds of our time. I belive he will be looked on like we look at Freud and Jung now
 
SuperHoss said:
Why do you think people are so threatened by him?
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I don't know. A lot of people these days (on either side of any current social divide) just seem to equate anything appreciated by someone they disagree with as being representative of the worst things they imagine about that group. I'm sure seeing a bunch of Chads, incels, and cargo short dads extolling the virtues of self-reliance, self-actualization, and not being scared of social pressures might lead to enough "microaggressions" that white nationalism and misogyny are the next "logical" assumptions. There was a thing on Twitter recently where pictures of the John Walker Captain America from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier were given captions like "Black Widow should smile more" and "Maybe Asgard should pick themselves up by their bootstraps." You know... because he looks like the sort of guy that would do that.

Adoption of a rhetoric has become the new religion and has zealots aplenty. Seeing someone question or refuse to assimilate or even comply with their views and give a reasoning other than "Muh white 'Murican Jesus says so," is hard for them to process.

I wonder how much is inspired by Jordan Peterson and how much was inspired by his father, a real life terrorist?
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In all fairness, his dad was a Panther but no known acts of violence or treason.

So is the new Captain America going to be fighting for Reparations now?
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

Doesn't seem like Captain America did so well.
https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2020.html
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I've been a nerd my entire life. Serious comic collector for 25+ years. But somewhere in the late 2000s/early 2010s, it just became unbearable. I sat in a comic store with some dudes far more favorable to these viewpoints than I was/am. None if them were into this stuff. Cap (Bucky Cap) and Falcon fighting the Tea Party. Replacing Robin with a girl who used guns and calling "misogyny" at anyone who balked. That sort of shit.
 
I am only familiar with the works of Jordan Peterson.
 
Renard said:
"12 rules for life" is clearly a book about ethics. Ethics is the branch of philosophy that's interested in answering the question: "What's a good way to live your life?" Evidence and science, by definition, don't apply; ethics is interested in the subjective experience of human beings. There's a long history of psychologists and precursors of psychology sharing their view on this topic. Plato thought that the best way to live your life was to be guided by reason. The Stoics proposed that each person accept their place in the universe and face adversity with courage and equanimity. Nietzsche and Adler thought that life inherently had no meaning and it was up to the individual to create their own meaning and purpose. Schopenhauer thought that life was suffering and that the best way to live was to accept this fact instead of living in denial. Kant thought that each individual should create and follow their own morals instead of acquiescing to what society taught them. Trying to "debunk" ethics is nonsense, it's like going through Marcus Aurelius' meditations and going "Well, ackshually..."
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Im not sure what this long winded post has to do with the article i linked. Are you?
 
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