War Wagon Jones making sense?

[oski]

It's from before 321 and as I listened to it I was thinking, damn, off-drugs Jones is actually well spoken and makes sense. And I'm thinking we know that Jones' fight IQ is crazy high, but I had know idea that he had any kind of real world IQ.

JONES:
Why not fight against Pereira, a guy who's the same age as you, and we walk around the same exact size? Right now, I had to eat a big breakfast because I'm getting underneath 235. Pereira walks around at like 240 and he has magnificent accolades.

Business-wise, it makes more sense. Fight the guy, I'm going to call him this:

Fight the nobody that may be more dangerous or fight the guy with all the accolades who's incredibly dangerous, but actually will affect your legacy?

Where, when you look back and it's like John just beat Alex Pereira… It's bigger. It's just much bigger.

He was/is so right here. And after the disaster that was 321, I can't think of anything bigger or that makes more sense. Hell, call it the "true BMF" or something, but make this shit happen.

 

[Gamer007]

Fighting these 260lb+ guys is a challenge not only because they can fight a little bit, but because you need the size and strength to fight on equal footing. That's a challenge in and of itself and many times you find at the certain weight you'd need to compete, you just don't feel healthy or in fighting condition. Fighting Alex at a catchweight just makes more sense and isn't such a pain on the body physically, it's a more fun camp against a more interesting and marketable opponent, arguably more dangerous as well.


Alex is just a better fighter than Tom, not many sane fans disagree with this. He's right now a top 6 PFP fighter and could easily be top 3-5 if he wasn't so active and risking injury/losses. He has more name value, more divisional significance, considered a top 5 all time LHW fighter, and easily one of the best MW's we've seen. I don't think there is much doubt that Alex is a top 10 striker all time in MMA, and no fighter has been able to hold him down for any significant period, he bullied pretty much everyone.


Tom has like 3-4 guys on his resume, not one real title defense. The only selling point is can the bigger younger HW beat him, but if Jon smashes him he becomes a bum overnight, it never made any sense. People just ignore that Bladyes just got exposed against an unranked dude (?), Sergei got exposed, and up until a week ago people were saying Gane sucked and Tom would run through him in just 2-3 minutes, come to find out Tom has never fought a southpaw and didn't know what to do. Time will reveal all, the fact that Jon as a part time fighter off a potential 18+ month layoff is willing to fight Poatan is one of the craziest and ballsy moves in MMA history, but it will be downplayed like usual.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Jones is GOAT

He knows more about fighting than we could ever pretend to

 

[Khaosan]

Quack.

 

[Othman]

That was always the case, it's just the Jon Jones haters being delusional.

 

[newcastleman]

The Duck called the Heavyweight champion a nobody! Pathetic

 

[AmonTobin]

Why do Jon Jones apologists always insist on typing 1000 word essays? It’s like a guy coming up to you uninvited and talking about dinosaurs for 20 minutes.

 

[GNRXI]

Both things can be true.

Jon definitely ducked Tom. Tom was the rightful no.1 contender and it is farcical than the UFC decided to have Jon face Grandpa Stipe over Tom who was the interim champ. Jon definitely knew Tom was going to be the hardest match he has had so far so he refused to fight him.

Having said that however, from Jon's POV, it was definitely the right call. Fighting Tom was always going to be high risk-low reward. In the event he did beat Tom, people would have just moved on and asked him to fight the next contender while downplaying Tom for being a bum just like how they downgraded his win vs Ciryl. Poatan has way more prestige, starpower, and mass appeal to be a more enticing fight for Jon.

Jon's decision to "duck" Tom also aged pretty well after Saturday I must say given how fast Tom folded after an admittedly very bad eyepoke. I cannot help but question if Tom would have thrown in the towel if he was facing Jon instead since it was his dream fight. Nevertheless, I don't think Jon ducking Tom was really as bad as most people make it out to be.

 

[Egészségére!]

It’s a weird “gotcha” from people saying Jones is a duck because he’s always admitted he’s only willing to fight a few HW’s

He’s like what Dave Chappell refers to as an honest liar, except that was about the Pres

Birds of a feather I suppose

 

[Bobby Boulders]

He's only right there if he doesn't have the belt. Fighting Poatan rather than the IC made zero sense, never will

 

[Gregoire1]

This paper coward Asp was exposed. Jones is still GOAT and best current HW. Get out of here, you scarecrows and sycophants Asp.

 

[nonoob]

He's only right there if he doesn't have the belt. Fighting Poatan rather than the IC made zero sense, never will

Yo BB, another Dana-made glazing excuse for Pico to Never fight ANY legit HW.

 

[Greyscale]

Sheesh. This guy was holding up the division for no good reason and ran away in the end. Now things aren't going well in the promotion and here's a chance to capitalize and plague the sport with his bullshit again. No one really needs this, he should stay retired.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Jon Jones ultimately did the right thing and vacated the belt. I'm sure he did it for the wrong reasons, but I don't really care.

I said I would ease off talking shit about Jon if he vacated the belt and I'm gonna stick with that. If he wants to fight Alex Pereira next, good for him. It's a fight against someone his own age who is an established champion, which is what Jon wants in his opponents. It's also a big money fight. I think this move makes all the sense in the world for Jon Jones.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

then why didn't you just stay at LHW and fight Pereira instead of going up and wasting everyone's time by sitting on your ass and only fighting 1 legitimate HW? Stipe was not a fighter by the time he fought Jones.

 

[Alpha_T83]

then why didn't you just stay at LHW and fight Pereira instead of going up and wasting everyone's time by sitting on your ass and only fighting 1 legitimate HW? Stipe was not a fighter by the time he fought Jones.

I honestly think Jones wanted to prove to himself he could do it. He took his sweet time moving up, and he avoided Ngannou. I think he was genuinely nervous to move to heavyweight, because the risk of losing increased.

I agree that the Stipe fight was an absolute travesty of a fight. He had no business fighting in the top 5, let alone getting a title shot.

 

[Leinster Rugby]

What's an off-drugs Jones?

 

[Alpha_T83]

What's an off-drugs Jones?

I don't think we will ever know.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I honestly think Jones wanted to prove to himself he could do it. He took his sweet time moving up, and he avoided Ngannou. I think he was genuinely nervous to move to heavyweight, because the risk of losing increased.

I agree that the Stipe fight was an absolute travesty of a fight. He had no business fighting in the top 5, let alone getting a title shot.

sure, but what was the point of just sitting on his ass with the belt? that part made no sense. he could've dropped the belt and went back to LHW. i'm sure UFC would've been fine with that to make a big fight with Pereira, but he just did nothing.

 

[PeterGriffin]

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak out and remove all doubt.