Jones look strong

true_fan said:
My friend was benching 405 and squatting 500 and deadlifting 620 at 187 pounds and he looked like a skinny average guy with 4 pack. Jon Jon is not strong for his weight at all
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That’s not how it works though.

Your friend probably wasn’t training across the spectrum like a professional athlete.

You been spewing some uneducated shit out of dislike. I was with you about Gane winning but you’re just trying to pull things out of your ass now.

His lifts are great. I also know guys who compete on the weekend strictly in powerlifting that can do the same thing and aren’t big. Power lifting training your CNS and if you add muscle that’s great (you usually do) but it’s not always like a bodybuilder at all.

I know weekend warriors that can out lift NFL players……. doesn’t mean anything.

Your friends lifts would suck if he has to do all the other things these athletes have to do (assloads of conditioning and cardio) things that directly drag these things down and impact recovery. CNS recovery and strength training suffers when you’re doing all this other shit.

Whenever I’m cutting or doing more cardio and conditioning I bleed strength hard. I’m stronger than Jon by quite a bit @228lb. Doesn’t mean shit. It was way harder for me when I was playing sports and it’s that way for anyone.

If you’re mainly just lifting or bodybuilding it’s much easier than a full time athlete. Your friends numbers are really good and not common at all. Not sure what kind of autism spectrum you’re on but you’ve really said some pretty dumb shit.

You said Gane would “tower over Jon” even because he’s 6’5 and Jon on 6’4 and looks like Jon is taller so far in every pic. Grasping like crazy. I agree with your reasons for Gane to win and I also think he will but damn man you’re going full retard to cut Jon down constantly, it’s a bad look and seems desperate.
 
I don't think Jones needed to come in that heavy, considering what Gane weighs I think 230lb would have more optimal.
 
AfroBanana said:
That’s not how it works though.

Your friend probably wasn’t training across the spectrum like a professional athlete.

You been spewing some uneducated shit out of dislike. I was with you about Gane winning but you’re just trying to pull things out of your ass now.

His lifts are great. I also know guys who compete on the weekend strictly in powerlifting that can do the same thing and aren’t big. Power lifting training your CNS and if you add muscle that’s great (you usually do) but it’s not always like a bodybuilder at all.

I know weekend warriors that can out lift NFL players……. doesn’t mean anything.

Your friends lifts would suck if he has to do all the other things these athletes have to do (assloads of conditioning and cardio) things that directly drag these things down and impact recovery. CNS recovery and strength training suffers when you’re doing all this other shit.

Whenever I’m cutting or doing more cardio and conditioning I bleed strength hard. I’m stronger than Jon by quite a bit @228lb. Doesn’t mean shit. It was way harder for me when I was playing sports and it’s that way for anyone.

If you’re mainly just lifting or bodybuilding it’s much easier than a full time athlete. Your friends numbers are really good and not common at all. Not sure what kind of autism spectrum you’re on but you’ve really said some pretty dumb shit.

You said Gane would “tower over Jon” even because he’s 6’5 and Jon on 6’4 and looks like Jon is taller so far in every pic. Grasping like crazy. I agree with your reasons for Gane to win and I also think he will but damn man you’re going full retard to cut Jon down constantly, it’s a bad look and seems desperate.
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Watch out true fan has thin skin so you'll be called a loser and put on ignore or something
 
Killer Kadoogan said:
I bet you're older than I am. Also, I like reading your posts. But still. WAR JON JONES MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAR SHERDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT HANDLE WHAT I"M ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FIghtxIQ said:
How long can he keep up that pace though? Remember the OSP fight? They blamed it on too much powerlifting. But yes, Jones is planning to wrestle wrestle wrestle. It's very clear by his build, training, and body language movements. He's been focused on wrestling for this fight.
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Might explain the higher body fat. Training with low bf tends to drain you more honestly and makes you more prone to injury. Many people say they feel way better 12-16% when it comes to getting stronger, conditioning and recovering.

The Jon that gassed against OSP was larger with actual lean mass and he had to cut more weight. These might be some variables. He was also bodybuilding (trying to look bigger) and train in g with bodybuilders. So the way he was training also varied in ways. (He’s doing more functional assistance work now).

I was listening to Jon and remember those 260lb pics he had? Where he looked like one of his brothers? He said he didn’t feel right there and the current weight he feels his best. This would make complete sense to me in the training room. We will see come fight time.

Jon looks strong where he needs to be. As I expected his shoulders, his width, overall he looks big and strong. People are way too focused on abs and biceps and that’s a classic mistake with athletes. Gane looks better but he doesn’t look stronger where it matters and it doesn’t mean he’s stronger.
 
AfroBanana said:
That’s not how it works though.

Your friend probably wasn’t training across the spectrum like a professional athlete.

You been spewing some uneducated shit out of dislike. I was with you about Gane winning but you’re just trying to pull things out of your ass now.

His lifts are great. I also know guys who compete on the weekend strictly in powerlifting that can do the same thing and aren’t big. Power lifting training your CNS and if you add muscle that’s great (you usually do) but it’s not always like a bodybuilder at all.

I know weekend warriors that can out lift NFL players……. doesn’t mean anything.

Your friends lifts would suck if he has to do all the other things these athletes have to do (assloads of conditioning and cardio) things that directly drag these things down and impact recovery. CNS recovery and strength training suffers when you’re doing all this other shit.

Whenever I’m cutting or doing more cardio and conditioning I bleed strength hard. I’m stronger than Jon by quite a bit @228lb. Doesn’t mean shit. It was way harder for me when I was playing sports and it’s that way for anyone.

If you’re mainly just lifting or bodybuilding it’s much easier than a full time athlete. Your friends numbers are really good and not common at all. Not sure what kind of autism spectrum you’re on but you’ve really said some pretty dumb shit.

You said Gane would “tower over Jon” even because he’s 6’5 and Jon on 6’4 and looks like Jon is taller so far in every pic. Grasping like crazy. I agree with your reasons for Gane to win and I also think he will but damn man you’re going full retard to cut Jon down constantly, it’s a bad look and seems desperate.
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Gane is hunched over in every shot. Jon looks fat skinny and flexing to look bigger and taller. My friend takes steroids and has bad genes in his arms and legs because they’re skinny even though he took a few cycles to make him bigger. Jon is a known cheater and I despise him just for cheating ways and anyone who cheats whether by eye poking or PEDS or groin shots or whatever. So go to hell and you’re ignored
 
true_fan said:
Gane is hunched over in every shot. Jon looks fat skinny and flexing to look bigger and taller. My friend takes steroids and has bad genes in his arms and legs because they’re skinny even though he took a few cycles to make him bigger. Jon is a known cheater and I despise him just for cheating ways and anyone who cheats whether by eye poking or PEDS or groin shots or whatever. So go to hell and you’re ignored
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Yes he’s slouched in every single frame.. they’re basically no meaningful difference in their height and size and you insisted he would dwarf him everywhere. Even when I was with you on the results I told you it wouldn’t be that way.

Before you call someone weak and spew more retarded shit. At least educated your Al on standards by weight. Both your friend and Jon would be exceptionally strong (and again as a full time athlete who trains across the spectrum and his body type he’s an ox).
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https://legionathletics.com/strength-standards/
 
Jinx_AA said:
Jones seemed nervous as hell to me at the press conference

3 years off …. Looked like shit his previous few fights- and those wins have aged terribly …. Off the picograms …. Out of shape ….

Obviosuly jones is a special talent …. But time catches everyone …. Anderson had his reign … bj had his reign …. I think jones had his reign already
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Isn't it crazy how amazing Jon is that his last few fights were "shit" by his standards?

Defended his title three times against world championship contenders, was never even in danger across all 75min of cage time. That's a hall of fame career just in those three defenses right there lol.

If he loses then it won't be too surprising, this is one of the biggest challenges any fighter has ever taken in history. three years off, going up 50+ pounds, whole new weight class, and fighting for the world title right out of the gate. No matter what happens, it's an honor to watch another fight from Bones.
 
Gane seems like he’s in better shape to me, Jones may have put on an extra few pounds too many, looks a tad soft, could gas.
 
Gamer007 said:
Isn't it crazy how amazing Jon is that his last few fights were "shit" by his standards?

Defended his title three times against world championship contenders, was never even in danger across all 75min of cage time. That's a hall of fame career just in those three defenses right there lol.

If he loses then it won't be too surprising, this is one of the biggest challenges any fighter has ever taken in history. three years off, going up 50+ pounds, whole new weight class, and fighting for the world title right out of the gate. No matter what happens, it's an honor to watch another fight from Bones.
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Jon’s a special talent no doubt …. One of the best to ever do it

unfortunately its a shame that he’s tested positive and cheated (whether you believe intentional or unintentional )no goat in any sport has ever tested positive - it eliminates you from that conversation…. Yet somehow jones gets a pass from everyone .
 
Jinx_AA said:
Jon’s a special talent no doubt …. One of the best to ever do it

unfortunately its a shame that he’s tested positive and cheated (whether you believe intentional or unintentional )no goat in any sport has ever tested positive - it eliminates you from that conversation…. Yet somehow jones gets a pass from everyone .
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, personally after learning how truly littered the sport is with PED's and has always been, and how USADA has proven complicit in hiding results and not being consistent with penalties.

I don't weigh a PED offense too highly against a fighter, I mean guys have HGH gut and grow titties prefight but still don't get busted. There are untold amounts of fighters who don't get caught. I also don't just look at records or wins in a vacuum. To me Anderson and Fedor are the two most impressive martial artists I've seen. Then Jones, GSP, MM, and a few others come after that.

GSP had the most squeaky-clean career, he never got caught for anything and avenged his losses, got out of the game before his prime ended.
Anderson was the most skilled fighter imo, true master of the eight limbs and at his peak was just an unstoppable force of nature.
Jones has the greatest combination of natural talent, physical attributes, and fighting IQ we've ever seen.
Fedor had the greatest reign at the arguable height of the HW division, essentially doing the impossible in a division where nobody wins for very long.
MM may be the best PFP fighter ever, especially when you consider his performances at BW when he was training out of his garage. He just doesn't have the resume of the guys above, and thus is a slight tier below in my opinion.

Once a fighter is 35+, at that point a loss really doesn't harm their legacy in the eyes of true fans. That's why it sucks to see guys like Anderson or Fedor have their status in the GOAT conversation dwindle from losses literally a decade past their prime, let alone their peak. But if every fighter retired on top, we wouldn't have the compelling awesome sport we have today, so it's all backwards in the end. Just my opinion, believe what you will.

But I lived and have seen it all, first Fedor was the GOAT, then Anderson was the GOAT, then GSP was suddenly the GOAT, now Jon Jones is being called the GOAT. Fans forget so fast, it's a real shame.
 
true_fan said:
My friend was benching 405 and squatting 500 and deadlifting 620 at 187 pounds and he looked like a skinny average guy with 4 pack. Jon Jon is not strong for his weight at all
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Your friend must have been an elite power lifter because those are national championships qualifying numbers in the US pretty easily for the 83kg class.
 
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