Jones look strong

HuskySamoan said:
They all are, just like most every high level athlete is even under stricter testing than USADA even. Those are very elite numbers for 83kg.
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I saw him benching and I didn’t understand how those skinny arms where holding all those plates.
 
true_fan said:
I saw him benching and I didn’t understand how those skinny arms where holding all those plates.
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Benching, honestly compound lifts can be super technical. I knew a policeman who was retired at 63 and his arms weren't big anymore and he legitimately could put up 3 plates for a couple reps still but he did powerlifting in his life. I was at the time a 6ft 220lb martial artist who ate 150-200g of protein a day and was in the gym 4-5 days a week...I was never much of a lifter but at my strongest I could rep out 3 plates like 3-4 times MAYBE. This old man wasn't stronger than me, he was an expert at benching.
 
One key aspect of putting on weight is building up the capacity to pump the oxygen rich blood needed to keep the greater muscle mass working. Has Jones been working his cardio enough, and for long enough? It remains to be seen, but I have my doubts. Jones looks larger, but kind of lumpy. He is older, and USADA is supposedly on him, so I guess he isn't pulsing any longer, cause he doesn't look like when he was obviously on the sauce, but smaller.
 
Karl_Hungus said:
One key aspect of putting on weight is building up the capacity to pump the oxygen rich blood needed to keep the greater muscle mass working. Has Jones been working his cardio enough, and for long enough? It remains to be seen, but I have my doubts. Jones looks larger, but kind of lumpy. He is older, and USADA is supposedly on him, so I guess he isn't pulsing any longer, cause he doesn't look like when he was obviously on the sauce, but smaller.
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Yeah he had three years to put on mass and get used to the weight
 
Jones has a huge reach advantage. If he wasn’t standing all Conor Cocky with his arms bowed out it would be way more obvious.

It will be interesting what they list each of them as.
 
biscuitsbrah said:
Yeah he had three years to put on mass and get used to the weight
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Yes, I understand he had the time, but this is Jon Jones we're talking about here. Did he do lots of roadwork and swimming, or just enough for the photo ops? He's older, so I don't expect him to be chiseled, but he doesn't look like he's really been working on his cardio.
 
AfroBanana said:
That’s not how it works though.

Your friend probably wasn’t training across the spectrum like a professional athlete.

You been spewing some uneducated shit out of dislike. I was with you about Gane winning but you’re just trying to pull things out of your ass now.

His lifts are great. I also know guys who compete on the weekend strictly in powerlifting that can do the same thing and aren’t big. Power lifting training your CNS and if you add muscle that’s great (you usually do) but it’s not always like a bodybuilder at all.

I know weekend warriors that can out lift NFL players……. doesn’t mean anything.

Your friends lifts would suck if he has to do all the other things these athletes have to do (assloads of conditioning and cardio) things that directly drag these things down and impact recovery. CNS recovery and strength training suffers when you’re doing all this other shit.

Whenever I’m cutting or doing more cardio and conditioning I bleed strength hard. I’m stronger than Jon by quite a bit @228lb. Doesn’t mean shit. It was way harder for me when I was playing sports and it’s that way for anyone.

If you’re mainly just lifting or bodybuilding it’s much easier than a full time athlete. Your friends numbers are really good and not common at all. Not sure what kind of autism spectrum you’re on but you’ve really said some pretty dumb shit.

You said Gane would “tower over Jon” even because he’s 6’5 and Jon on 6’4 and looks like Jon is taller so far in every pic. Grasping like crazy. I agree with your reasons for Gane to win and I also think he will but damn man you’re going full retard to cut Jon down constantly, it’s a bad look and seems desperate.
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This is a big pile of bullsh*t!

I'm a former raw powerlifter and amateur strongman. I've been natural my entire life (no PEDs at all ever) and my best lifts are:
Deadlift: 620 lbs
Squat: 555 lbs
Bench Press: 400 lbs
Standing overhead press (with very little leg drive): 300 lbs

I played plenty of other sports in addition to my strength athletics and it didn't impact my lifts because I ate plenty of food and got plenty of sleep and I took days off to recover.

Therefore, eating well, sleeping well, and taking time off for recovery are the keys to keeping good strength gains.
 
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Viper2 said:
This is a big pile of bullsh*t!

I'm a former powerlifter and amateur strongman. I've been natural my entire life (no PEDs at all ever) and my best lifts are:
Deadlift: 620 lbs
Squat: 555 lbs
Bench Press: 400 lbs
Standing overhead press (with very little leg drive): 300 lbs

I played plenty of other sports in addition to my strength athletics and it didn't impact my lifts because I ate plenty of food and got plenty of sleep and I took days off to recover.

Therefore, eating well, sleeping well, and taking time off for recovery is the key to keeping good strength gains.
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Come on man it’s a know fact that cardio (and basically training full time for sport) impacts strength.

https://themusclephd.com/cns-fatigue/

https://barbend.com/cardio-powerlifting/

You can find plenty of information or just talk to athletes themselves. Obviously the sport and athlete it can vary (a lineman in football vs a position or sport that requires much more cardio and endurance).

If you really believe you can go play a full time cardio intensive sport and not have issues you’re crazy. I was talking about a few hours of practice in a specific sport. You’re not getting anywhere otherwise (full time professional level training for a specific sport). It’s absolutely will cause conflict.

If you think you can handle training like a pro fighter in mma or boxing successfully across the spectrum while gaining / maintaining strength the same as a power lifter or strongman who specifically trains for that you’re insane. You’re the one that’s total bullshit.

The central nervous system and body have more trouble recovering and you’re more injury prone etc.

Calling it “bullshit” is a stretch. Training boxing or mma full time in specified weight classes you’re not going to maintain elite / competition level strength.

Fighters are almost always training at deficits and losing weight progressively during camps and training.

In the case of Jones trying to gain, build and maintain he 100% will have issues.

If you could maintain elite skills, strength, cardio and endurance without giving something up balancing them out imagine what the athletes would be like.
 
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Gamer2k4 said:
Funny, when he fought at LHW everyone was clamoring for Jones to "fight at his natural weight class, HW."
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Yet he looks bloated as hell and Gane looks ripped and weighed in less than Jones. Both the same height.

{<redford}
 
Mind Mine said:
Maybe he’s excited for the fight genuinely. Somehow on a mma forum that’s frowned on insulted and called homosexual. Yet you wonder why fans act nonchalant and lose interest in mma
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new fans lack passion, commitment, dedication to the sport and fighters. they have fried their dopamine receptors, and desperately await what ariel says to form opinions. old sherdog was the wild west. way more personality, way more war wagons, it's laughable what it is now. i just had 5 comments removed for exclamation marks and caps. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! old sherdog was nothing but that before major events. despite all this lameness, here is infinitely better than reddit. fuck that place. and WAR JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK THE HATERS, JONES AND NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Gamer007 said:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, personally after learning how truly littered the sport is with PED's and has always been, and how USADA has proven complicit in hiding results and not being consistent with penalties.

I don't weigh a PED offense too highly against a fighter, I mean guys have HGH gut and grow titties prefight but still don't get busted. There are untold amounts of fighters who don't get caught. I also don't just look at records or wins in a vacuum. To me Anderson and Fedor are the two most impressive martial artists I've seen. Then Jones, GSP, MM, and a few others come after that.

GSP had the most squeaky-clean career, he never got caught for anything and avenged his losses, got out of the game before his prime ended.
Anderson was the most skilled fighter imo, true master of the eight limbs and at his peak was just an unstoppable force of nature.
Jones has the greatest combination of natural talent, physical attributes, and fighting IQ we've ever seen.
Fedor had the greatest reign at the arguable height of the HW division, essentially doing the impossible in a division where nobody wins for very long.
MM may be the best PFP fighter ever, especially when you consider his performances at BW when he was training out of his garage. He just doesn't have the resume of the guys above, and thus is a slight tier below in my opinion.

Once a fighter is 35+, at that point a loss really doesn't harm their legacy in the eyes of true fans. That's why it sucks to see guys like Anderson or Fedor have their status in the GOAT conversation dwindle from losses literally a decade past their prime, let alone their peak. But if every fighter retired on top, we wouldn't have the compelling awesome sport we have today, so it's all backwards in the end. Just my opinion, believe what you will.

But I lived and have seen it all, first Fedor was the GOAT, then Anderson was the GOAT, then GSP was suddenly the GOAT, now Jon Jones is being called the GOAT. Fans forget so fast, it's a real shame.
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Couldn’t have said it any better. Modern MMA fans have recency Bias syndrome .
 
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