Jones is a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT fighting at heavyweight. He is NOT a legit HEAVYWEIGHT. Why would he a flash in the pan? Why didnt GSP fight Yoel Romeo?

[OldBoy91]

I love how Yoel Romero is held up as the boogeyman of 185 that everybody ducked.

The dude is like 1-7 against elite competition. Shat the bed in every big fight he ever had.

 

[Mind Mine]

tldr// you're triggered. Nice manuscript to flex it, though. touche.

I farted it stank badly but within 10 seconds the air twas fresh. It may not matter to you but it had more effect on my life than your chump assed opinion

 

[orca]

GSP surrendered the belt though, plus Tom is an interim champ with a defence to his name where Romero was not.

At least GSP got out of the way instead of hanging onto a belt for 2+ years while refusing to defend it. If Georges tried to do what Jon is doing now, he would have been stripped.

The whataboutisms don’t work when this is totally uncharted territory. Comparables would be GDR or Nicco Montano and guess what happened to both of them for refusing to defend? Oh right, they got stripped.

thats insane gsp actually is the biggest duck
when jones vs stipe was booked
tom wasnt even the number 1 contender
so actually jon defended the belt legitimately
against a guy who has actual wins agains nganou and DC at HW

so now jon would give up the belt for fun money fights and you call him a duck?
meanwhile guys like gsp isnt?
also nganou ducked jones and we have proof that they refused the 8 -14 million offer

but instead people call jones the duck even though nganou refused and left
but the one who stayed is the duck

what world do we live in

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

I farted it stank badly but within 10 seconds the air twas fresh. It may not matter to you but it had more effect on my life than your chump assed opinion

You've already spent way more time than that having to respond to/deflect me, but nice try.
You may continue huffing your own farts now and telling other guys online about it.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

thats insane gsp actually is the biggest duck
when jones vs stipe was booked
tom wasnt even the number 1 contender
so actually jon defended the belt legitimately
against a guy who has actual wins agains nganou and DC at HW

so now jon would give up the belt for fun money fights and you call him a duck?
meanwhile guys like gsp isnt?
also nganou ducked jones and we have proof that they refused the 8 -14 million offer

but instead people call jones the duck even though nganou refused and left
but the one who stayed is the duck

what world do we live in

If you consider that Stipe defence legit, especially since there’s an interim champ who cleaned the division than you’re either a delusional fanboy or a casual.

Since when was bringing a 43 year old man out of retirement who was washed 3 years ago when he got knocked out, for a title shot a legit win? Lol.

GSP didn’t defend the belt but he also vacated it right away (in like 2 weeks) instead of sitting on the sidelines for 2 years while an interim champ won and defended then calling out someone long retired. They are not the same situations at all.

Jon IS a duck. It’s very clear he wanted no part of Francis and it’s further evidenced by how he wants no part of Tom either. He knows he’s not physically where he was when he was younger and he’s whining at HW that Tom is younger and has 30 pounds on him. That isn’t what a confidant fighter would say.

I’d never count Jon out of any fight tbh, his IQ and skills are too great but if you really think it’s comparable to GSP at MW, you’re on glue. Jon should have vacated when he got injured, took the Stipe fight and then picked whoever the hell he wanted. You can’t do that when you’re champ and there’s an interim. This is totally unprecedented territory.

 

[AfroBanana]

What if I told you every LHW is a HW cutting to LHW and so are quite a few MW’s. I’m not even a Jon hater. Unless you’re Hendo or Izzy adding water and pizza weight to get close to the limits and rolling back you’re over 205 on fight night you’re a heavy. The spectrum of HW is quite large LHW - SHW.

 

[Superzorro]

It matters if you fight someone and you look like 3 times his size. Not the skinny tall dude type, but literally making the other guy look like a midget.

Cormier was struggling to make 205 because he was eating junk food. Just look at him at 205, he still was chubby at that weight. Also strenght wise Jones ragdolled Cormier. Jones is a big HW. Like i said 90% of HW’s could easily fight at LHW. I’m 6ft4 and walk around 230 in shape. In 1 week by dieting alone i could make 205 or by just eating a bit more i could be 250-260 but i start looking a bit chubby like Jones at that weight, alot stronger tho ofc. I already did both btw, its nothing special for my/this kind of frame.

Yeah, I don't buy it. Cormier famously almost died in 2008 at the Beijing Olympics when trying to make 211. These are professional fighters. They don't just put anything in their body when in camp. He's just naturally built differently than Jones. Height and reach play a factor in weight, but it's smaller than you think. There are welterweights that are the same height as Jones, are they bigger than Cormier too? Max Holloway is taller than Cormier, is he bigger than Cormier too? As for Jones, if you have to take years away from the sport to bulk to get there-- and then you still have a gut during the fight and at the weigh in, it's not your natural weight class. 205 lbs is his natural weight class, he never struggled even in the slightest to make the weight.

 

[Superzorro]

If you consider that Stipe defence legit, especially since there’s an interim champ who cleaned the division than you’re either a delusional fanboy or a casual.

Since when was bringing a 43 year old man out of retirement who was washed 3 years ago when he got knocked out, for a title shot a legit win? Lol.

GSP didn’t defend the belt but he also vacated it right away (in like 2 weeks) instead of sitting on the sidelines for 2 years while an interim champ won and defended then calling out someone long retired. They are not the same situations at all.

Jon IS a duck. It’s very clear he wanted no part of Francis and it’s further evidenced by how he wants no part of Tom either. He knows he’s not physically where he was when he was younger and he’s whining at HW that Tom is younger and has 30 pounds on him. That isn’t what a confidant fighter would say.

I’d never count Jon out of any fight tbh, his IQ and skills are too great but if you really think it’s comparable to GSP at MW, you’re on glue. Jon should have vacated when he got injured, took the Stipe fight and then picked whoever the hell he wanted. You can’t do that when you’re champ and there’s an interim. This is totally unprecedented territory.

Okay then, let's check legitimate sources. What is it listed as on the official UFC website? Wikipedia? Sherdog? Tapology? So if those publications have it as a legitimate defense, are they delusional fanboys and casuals? If Jones didn't get injured and the fight went through before Aspinall was gifted the interim belt, would it still be illegitimate in your eyes? How far are we willing to go with this? Is it pretty much that anything you don't like is illegitimate and everything has to go by you before its officially approved in the record books?

 

[mkt]

Are you trying to create the worst and most confusing thread of the week? If so, you have my vote.

Jones, LHW, HW, fat, something, ADHD, something else, GSP, Romero...

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Okay then, let's check legitimate sources. What is it listed as on the official UFC website? Wikipedia? Sherdog? Tapology? So if those publications have it as a legitimate defense, are they delusional fanboys and casuals? If Jones didn't get injured and the fight went through before Aspinall was gifted the interim belt, would it still be illegitimate in your eyes? How far are we willing to go with this? Is it pretty much that anything you don't like is illegitimate and everything has to go by you before its officially approved in the record books?

Aspinall wasn’t gifted the interim belt, he won it. Not only that but he defended it. Both times against too heavyweights he flattened in incredible fashion I may add.

There’s no sources to check, you can easily google when GSP win the belt and gave it up. You can easily look at toms run at HW and you can easily look at Jones’s

You Jones delusionists are straight up fucking clueless. Tom clears out a division with first round wins and he sucks but Jones takes more time than 6-7 of toms wins to beat up a retired fighter coming off a KO loss 3 years ago and he’s the best.

Just answer me one thing - if not Tom, who? Whk else at HW? Who deserves it more than Tom, the interim champ?

 

[Superzorro]

Aspinall wasn’t gifted the interim belt, he won it. Not only that but he defended it. Both times against too heavyweights he flattened in incredible fashion I may add.

There’s no sources to check, you can easily google when GSP win the belt and gave it up. You can easily look at toms run at HW and you can easily look at Jones’s

You Jones delusionists are straight up fucking clueless. Tom clears out a division with first round wins and he sucks but Jones takes more time than 6-7 of toms wins to beat up a retired fighter coming off a KO loss 3 years ago and he’s the best.

Just answer me one thing - if not Tom, who? Whk else at HW? Who deserves it more than Tom, the interim champ?

So this is a pretty good example of obfuscation and logical fallacy.
Your claim - Jones title defense is illegitimate.
My response - How?
Your answer - A bunch of unrelated nonsense that I never claimed followed by, how is Tom not the most deserving contender?

Let's stay on topic instead of going off on rants. Can you answer my initial question instead of moving the goal post? How is Jones title defense illegitimate? It's a simple question.

 

[bjjwar]

Yeah, I don't buy it. Cormier famously almost died in 2008 at the Beijing Olympics when trying to make 211. These are professional fighters. They don't just put anything in their body when in camp. He's just naturally built differently than Jones. Height and reach play a factor in weight, but it's smaller than you think. There are welterweights that are the same height as Jones, are they bigger than Cormier too? Max Holloway is taller than Cormier, is he bigger than Cormier too? As for Jones, if you have to take years away from the sport to bulk to get there-- and then you still have a gut during the fight and at the weigh in, it's not your natural weight class. 205 lbs is his natural weight class, he never struggled even in the slightest to make the weight.

That's why i'm saying its not only height, but frame matters too. Max is skinny and lanky. Jones isn't, he made Cormier look like a midget and was much stronger than him. And look at Cormier, he's carrying around a bunch of fat. I know he trained alot, so that belly and fat can only come from junk food. He could easily fight at MW with a proper diet, probably even WW. And look at Jones vs Gane, who is a big HW. Jones is definately a big HW.

 

[orca]

If you consider that Stipe defence legit, especially since there’s an interim champ who cleaned the division than you’re either a delusional fanboy or a casual.

Since when was bringing a 43 year old man out of retirement who was washed 3 years ago when he got knocked out, for a title shot a legit win? Lol.

GSP didn’t defend the belt but he also vacated it right away (in like 2 weeks) instead of sitting on the sidelines for 2 years while an interim champ won and defended then calling out someone long retired. They are not the same situations at all.

Jon IS a duck. It’s very clear he wanted no part of Francis and it’s further evidenced by how he wants no part of Tom either. He knows he’s not physically where he was when he was younger and he’s whining at HW that Tom is younger and has 30 pounds on him. That isn’t what a confidant fighter would say.

I’d never count Jon out of any fight tbh, his IQ and skills are too great but if you really think it’s comparable to GSP at MW, you’re on glue. Jon should have vacated when he got injured, took the Stipe fight and then picked whoever the hell he wanted. You can’t do that when you’re champ and there’s an interim. This is totally unprecedented territory.

i considered it legit because stipe is the only fighter who has wins over the last 3 legit UFC HW fighters
hes literaly 2-1 in his last 3 fights all championship fights

jones was also semi retired for 3 years but its ok for jones ?
but not for stipe to rest?

your like cherry picking the ones that you want lol

i bet your one of those guys who actually think izzy deserves title shots everywhere
even though hes like 2-3 in his last 5 fights

remember volk? you people try to say that he should rest right?
but not stipe? lmfao

so if you think gsp is cool vacating the belt but jones isnt cool even though he would vacate it too?thats bs

can you also give me facts on the original title defense of jones?
last time i checked it was stipe and tom wasnt even a number 1 contender?

 

[ejazahmednit]

Perhaps its the other way round
He was a weight (and height) bully at LHW

 

[Superzorro]

That's why i'm saying its not only height, but frame matters too. Max is skinny and lanky. Jones isn't, he made Cormier look like a midget and was much stronger than him. And look at Cormier, he's carrying around a bunch of fat. I know he trained alot, so that belly and fat can only come from junk food. He could easily fight at MW with a proper diet, probably even WW. And look at Jones vs Gane, who is a big HW. Jones is definately a big HW.

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Who was the weight cut harder for? Jones or Cormier? And yeah, I disagree. Unless you can prove to me you know the intricacies of Cormier's diet, that's not a valid statement. That's just an assumption. But Cormier struggling to make 205 and Jones being able to make 205 easily are both documented facts. Jones himself has said that lightheavyweight was his natural weight class. And again, if he was natural heavyweight, he wouldn't have needed to take years to bulk up to be able to compete. He would just need to stop cutting weight like everyone else who moves up.

As for the second picture, Jones is standing in front of Gane. And even at that, Jones is fat there. Gane is lean with muscle. Light heavyweight is Jones optimal weight class.

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[Sasha]

Why go to HW then? who is even there for him to fight after this?

He should definitely fight Rozenstruik, so the winner can fight Ciryl Gane. Then when Gane beats Rozenstruik he might fight Tom, but I'm not sure if Aspinall is ready yet. Seems a little green.
I'm an expert matchmaker, trust me.

 

[Leon Edwards]

I love how Yoel Romero is held up as the boogeyman of 185 that everybody ducked.

The dude is like 1-7 against elite competition. Shat the bed in every big fight he ever had.

Yoel is a killer

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Oh, cool, so you're not a troll, you're just having a lot of trouble thinking.

Carry on.

 

[TJH Exitium]

Why go to HW then? who is even there for him to fight after this?

After this?

Jones retires after his next fight, if he even has a next fight