Jones fighting a washed up Miocic

Here is the list of Heavyweight Rankings. Pavlovich, Stipe and possibly Almeida are the only guys I see giving Jon somewhat of a fight. I still do not believe Jones will lose to any of them. I think he could honestly win 3-4 more fights at HW before he retires.
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I wish DC would come out of retirement to fight Bones at HW...and then when Bones beats him (again), the same people who a few years back were saying "Jones won't fight DC at HW because he knows he would lose" could continue living in their fantasy world with things like "But if this fight had happened in (insert year here), DC clearly would have won because (arbitrary and non-applicable reason)"
How the hell are you just ignoring the FACT Jones actually said it though?

There is NO fanbase more dishonest than Jones fans.

“I’m a realist,” Jones said. “Daniel Cormier is a special athlete and anyone can be beat. I think my greatest chance of losing would be to a guy like Daniel Cormier. We’d be giving him a power and strength advantage over me; it just doesn’t make sense.

“Right now, I make light heavyweight very easily, and it would just make no sense to fight a guy who, I think, technically (is) on your level and to give him a size advantage. I’m not doing it. I’m sure my fans don’t like to hear me talk like that, but that’s just me being a realist – and being respectful of Daniel’s abilities.”

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/05/jon-jones-will-not-fight-daniel-cormier-at-heavyweight

Lie some more now. It pisses you people off the majority of mma fans will NEVER consider him the GOAT. He’s not even voted as number 2 in the sticky poll.

You can’t be GOAT if you pop for PEDS.. Repeatedly. With the blessing of the UFC, and USADA. If you people are serious, I hope I never meet you, or your offspring. You must be so proud to bring up children teaching them people like Jones are actually heroes, and should be adored.

You want 44+ year old, 3 years inactive DC to fight 35 year old Jones now? Wow, you’re so brave.

You’re the epitome of that fanbase.
 
He's bought into the UFC hype that Stipe is the best HW of all time so he just wants that win on his resume for legacy and can claim he's the HW GOAT. Makes sense for Jones but Stipe doesn't deserve it and he's not the HW GOAT.

I'd much rather see Jones tested against the new guys coming up like Pav and Aspinall.
 
Jon has been fighting for 15 years, 2 years more than Stipe and has 5 more fights than Stipe does. People are making a huge deal over age here, Stipe is 40 and Jones is turning 36 in July. Point is that Jon isn't really much better off in terms of prime or wear n tear. He's been fighting longer and has more fights.

Stipe may be out of his prime but Jon may very well be as well. This match up IMO by no means favors one guy over the other.

People are just high on Jon cause he looked great vs Gane. But that fight was 2 mins, very impressive no doubt, but we don't know what Jon looks like at this point either in a longer tougher fight.
 
I think Stipe could still pose some problems for Jones, not giving him enough credit there TS.

Stipe theoretically poses the same problems Gus originally did which was that he's a big boxer, good power, and good wrestling.

The question is whether Stipe can still do that. More importantly, though the rematch went extremely differently and dominantly for Jones so is that actually even an issue if he can.

Not sure if serious if you don't think stipe has been washed up for a while now. Even in his last win against DC he looked bad.

This is only because the fight went the distance instead of being a 2nd round KO for Stipe. In the 2nd Stipe slumped him again and tried to finish him but it was right near the bell so DC was able to tie him up from mounted and survive.

We'd be talking about things a lot differently if Stipe went from 4th round KOing DC in a hard fought fight to easily 2nd round KOing him. Still, he clearly won the decision regardless.

If we wanted to argue something about where Stipe looked bad it was his fight IQ in the Ngannou rematch. He got dropped like a sack, quickly tried to fight back and surprisingly briefly stunned Ngannou in his tracks, and then took that to try and finish Ngannou himself instead of get a breather. That got him KO'd.

1) Jon would not give this ADVANTAGE to DC (by fighting at HW). Very different than running from someone he beat a few times already. But he said (for a very long time) that he wanted to move up. Even before DC!

People are always so dishonest about this. The context was DC had already moved up to HW a year and a half ago and had 2 fights under his belt again, meanwhile Jones was still and had always been a LHW. DC did have an advantage over him by having adjusted up to HW while Jon was still a LHW. He was entirely correct to say that RIGHT NOW he didn't think it was in his interest to move up given DC currently had an advantage.

Anybody pretending like the current HW Jones, who already has successfully moved up to HW, wouldn't have fought that HW DC is being silly. The entire issue was about a LHW challenging a HW. He's a HW now and perfectly fine fighting other HWs now that there's no longer that difference. Just like he was at LHW.

Let alone the irony behind all of this is that the person actually ducking was DC. He was stripped of his LHW belt because he refused to defend against the returning Jones so the UFC had to make Jones/Gus II for a new title. Then the night before he was being stripped he pettily vacated the title so that history wouldn't officially record him of being stripped for failing to defend against Jones.
 
Once again, we're back at denying Jones' GOATness by simply pretending his opponents suck instead of him being so great.
Not true. Jones IS great. And Jones would probably beat Pavlovic and others in the division.

but stipe is just mediocre. It’s a waste. Especially if Jones retires from it. He could keep fighting and winning as heavyweight champ. It’s legitimately compelling to see if he can make a historic title run.
 
Stipe theoretically poses the same problems Gus originally did which was that he's a big boxer, good power, and good wrestling.

The question is whether Stipe can still do that. More importantly, though the rematch went extremely differently and dominantly for Jones so is that actually even an issue if he can.



This is only because the fight went the distance instead of being a 2nd round KO for Stipe. In the 2nd Stipe slumped him again and tried to finish him but it was right near the bell so DC was able to tie him up from mounted and survive.

We'd be talking about things a lot differently if Stipe went from 4th round KOing DC in a hard fought fight to easily 2nd round KOing him. Still, he clearly won the decision regardless.

If we wanted to argue something about where Stipe looked bad it was his fight IQ in the Ngannou rematch. He got dropped like a sack, quickly tried to fight back and surprisingly briefly stunned Ngannou in his tracks, and then took that to try and finish Ngannou himself instead of get a breather. That got him KO'd.



People are always so dishonest about this. The context was DC had already moved up to HW a year and a half ago and had 2 fights under his belt again, meanwhile Jones was still and had always been a LHW. DC did have an advantage over him by having adjusted up to HW while Jon was still a LHW. He was entirely correct to say that RIGHT NOW he didn't think it was in his interest to move up given DC currently had an advantage.

Anybody pretending like the current HW Jones, who already has successfully moved up to HW, wouldn't have fought that HW DC is being silly. The entire issue was about a LHW challenging a HW. He's a HW now and perfectly fine fighting other HWs now that there's no longer that difference. Just like he was at LHW.

Let alone the irony behind all of this is that the person actually ducking was DC. He was stripped of his LHW belt because he refused to defend against the returning Jones so the UFC had to make Jones/Gus II for a new title. Then the night before he was being stripped he pettily vacated the title so that history wouldn't officially record him of being stripped for failing to defend against Jones.

Dude , stipe looked slow as hell and sloppy in his last fight with DC. DC looked even worse. I called the Francis would merk him in the rematch which he did.
 
I hope I never meet you, or your offspring. You must be so proud to bring up children teaching them people like Jones are actually heroes, and should be adored.

You sound emotionally unwell.
 
Hilarious watching people throw around what Jones needs to do while discrediting everything he's done. He will never please you guys. If he steamrolls Stipe, Pavlovich, Almeida, and whoever else, you guys will say he cherry picked when to come to the division. If he left LHW earlier you guys would've said he doesn't have the same divisional dominance as GSP or Silva. Jones will never win you over.

Any HW besides Stipe that Jones takes down and beats will immediately be labeled as unskilled and won't even look like a good win because they would likely never win a title. At least with Stipe he joined UFC after Jones, with less mileage and was a 2 time HW champ and the "goat" of HW. It's the only win that can look good besides Ngannou who won't be fighting mma until 2024 anyways.

Also people who bring up PEDS won't admit Jones has the best record out of all GOATs post USADA (2015) the cleanest era of UFC.
 
Jones KO 1st rd

I would rather see Jones fight Pavolich.
 
Wow, so Jones said he was afraid to fight Cormier at HW initially and waited for him and Francis to retire and leave UFC before calling out a washed up 40 year old who hasn't fought in over 2 years
Jones also didn't want to fight a prime Miocic in 2017:

“I feel like Stipe is relatively unknown to the general public. It wouldn’t even be a real superfight in my opinion. I think a lot of MMA fans would be super excited about, but the general public wouldn’t care about that fight,” explained “Bones.”

https://www.mmamania.com/2017/7/30/...nknown-stipe-miocic-wouldnt-be-superfight-mma

He outright ducked HW Cormier in 2019:

“Right now, I make light heavyweight very easily and it would just make no sense to fight a guy who technically on your level, to give him a size advantage, I’m not doing it. I’m sure my fans don’t like to hear me talk like that but that’s just me being a realist and being respectful to Daniel’s abilities.”

https://www.mmanews.com/jon-jones-r...ng-up-to-heavyweight-to-fight-daniel-cormier/

And after Ngannou showcased improved wrestling and obliterated Miocic, Jones suddenly needed more time to move up to Heavyweight:



Only to show up looking fat <Lmaoo>.
 
Stipe theoretically poses the same problems Gus originally did which was that he's a big boxer, good power, and good wrestling.

The question is whether Stipe can still do that. More importantly, though the rematch went extremely differently and dominantly for Jones so is that actually even an issue if he can.

Outside of Ngannou I think Stipe is the toughest test for Jones at HW right now. His movement, his boxing, his offensive and defensive wrestling, as well as his resolve when he's at this best are unmatched at Heavyweight. Stipe has some similarities to Gus but to reduce him down to being the same or to compare Gus from the first fight with Gus in the second fight with Jones.... A bit shortsighted imo.
 
Wow, so Jones said he was afraid to fight Cormier at HW initially and waited for him and Francis to retire and leave UFC before calling out a washed up 40 year old who hasn't fought in over 2 years, also a part time fire fighter... Cormier already softened Miocic up, and Francis already ko'd him pretty good. This should be an interesting fight though, what kind of shape Miocic comes in and how this 2 years went, he is certainly out of his prime.

You know each year that goes by...Jones gets older as well. That is how life works breh.
 
Not sure if serious if you don't think stipe has been washed up for a while now. Even in his last win against DC he looked bad.

Ya totally washed. ..
lol

Dont forget he tagged Ngannou seconds before going full ape and getting Koed he also rocked Ngannou in there first fight ...


But i get it anyone Jones beats is shit and is washed
 
Dude , stipe looked slow as hell and sloppy in his last fight with DC. DC looked even worse. I called the Francis would merk him in the rematch which he did.

AFTER he'd gassed himself out a bit trying to get a 2nd round KO. He looked fine before that, and again probably should've gotten a 2nd round KO if he'd dropped him just a tad sooner than when he did.
 
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