Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

[Kb7]

Brett Rogers was 10-0 with all wins via KO and a win over the #2 HW in the world coming into the Fedor fight and was ranked #6 on sherdog official rankings. You're changing the narrative and retroactively calling him a "can" based on how he performed after losing to Fedor. This is dishonest and desperate shill behavior. Pathetic.

Brett Rogers caught Arlovski quick and has never won against a top fighter ever again in his entire career, he is a fucking can.

 

[The Last King]

Brett Rogers caught Arlovski quick and has never won against a top fighter ever again in his entire career, he is a fucking can.

He was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him. Your retroactive judgment of him doesn't change that. You're a desperate shill.

 

[Kb7]

He was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him. Your retroactive judgment of him doesn't change that. You're a desperate shill.

Lol, the most unjustified ranking ever, he literally caught Arlovski, now if he was doing to that against top competition after Fedor then I could justify it but catching Arlovski quick who was just recently knock out then to go on to never having won against any top fighter again just shows rankings are not reliable and Brett Rogers is a can.

 

[The Last King]

Lol, the most unjustified ranking ever, he literally caught Arlovski, now if he was doing to that against top competition after Fedor then I could justify it but catching Arlovski quick who was just recently knock out then to go on to never having won against any top fighter again just shows rankings are not reliable and Brett Rogers is a can.

To get ranked you have to beat someone who is ranked higher. Rogers did that. The people who were making the rankings couldn't say to themselves "we can't rank this guy because he might suck later" they didn't have a crystal ball. They just ranked him based on the tangible information available. You too dense to understand this basic concept?

PS

Shogun never beat a top fighter ever again either after losing to Jones that doenst mean that win holds no value.

 

[Kb7]

To get ranked you have to beat someone who is ranked higher. Rogers did that. The people who were making the rankings couldn't say to themselves "we can't rank this guy because he might suck later" they didn't have a crystal ball. They just ranked him based on the tangible information available. You too dumb to understand this basic concept?

PS

Shogun never beat a top fighter ever again either after losing to Jones that doenst mean that win holds no value

Lol, comparing Shogun to Brett Rogers? Lol, what the fuck. Hahaha, you're one most delusional narrative changing idiots I have seen on this site ever. Shogun Rua is arguably number 2 after Jon Jones and his beaten top competition across Pride & UFC capturing gold. Lol, da duck. Rogers literally never won against anyone in top 50 or 100 ever after losing to Fedor.

 

[The Last King]

Lol, comparing Shogun to Brett Rogers? Lol, what the fuck. Hahaha, you're one most delusional narrative changing idiots I have seen on this site ever. Shogun Rua is arguably number 2 after Jon Jones and his beaten top competition across Pride & UFC capturing gold. Lol, da duck. Rogers literally never won against anyone in top 50 or 100 ever after losing to Fedor.

That doesn't change the fact that Rogers was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him. I don't even consider that one of Fedors best wins but the fact remains that Rogers was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him.

 

[Kb7]

That doesn't change the fact that Rogers was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him. I don't even consider that one of Fedors best wins but the fact remains that Rogers was ranked #6 when Fedor fought him.

Lol, maybe a fact but what is also fact is he's a can and the most unjustified ranking ever.

You comparing Rogers to Mauricio Rua, hahahahaha.

We're done here.

By the way Jon Jones beats Fedor.

 

[Fioretti]

No response to what I said about rankings? Lol figures.
I’m a fan of Frankie, and Aldo too, but if you want to talk about weak what about when Frankie dropped 2 at LW and then got an immediate TS at FW? Or when Aldo went on a 2-3 skid at FW, dropped to BW, lost to Moraes, but Dana just decided he thought Aldo won and gave him the TS anyway lol. There’s nothing weak about a former UFC champ who had moved to LHW, going back to HW, having a great stoppage win over one of the best HWs at the time and getting ranked at HW because of it. That’s what should happen, actually.

As to your question about “being amidst” a 1-6 run? I dunno, was UFC 168 headlined by a guy amidst a 1-7-1 run, fighting a guy amidst a 5-6 run?

Don’t defend tryhard troll posts like Martin’s, Fioretti, you’re better than that.

So, instead of trying to detract from the question, what do you think? Was he "amidst" a 1-6 run or no? You don't have to try and justify or compare it to anything else, just talk about where Randleman was at when he fought Fedor. 3 fights prior, and 3 fights after. Was he amidst a 1-6 or no?

 

[The Last King]

So, instead of trying to detract from the question, what do you think? Was he "amidst" a 1-6 run or no? You don't have to try and justify or compare it to anything else, just talk about where Randleman was at when he fought Fedor. 3 fights prior, and 3 fights after. Was he amidst a 1-6 or no?

How about where he was 1 fight prior?

 

[Chillez]

This thread right now is 28 pages since Friday it just keeps going.

 

[Fioretti]

How about where he was 1 fight prior?

On a 1-2 streak?

 

[Kb7]

Shogun is one of my favorite fighters ever but he had lost to Forrest in the UFC and 2 reconstructive knee surgeries by the time Jones beat him and he never beat an elite fighter again after that loss.

Btw you're a desperate shill and Gane is also a can

You bring up Forrest like he's some can, Forrest captured gold in one of the most competitive weight classes ever, Shogun beat Liddell and Lyoto Machida 2x in the best IMO he has ever looked in his entire career. Shogun might've not beaten another top 5 fighter again or get to gold, but atleast he was fighting fighters in the top 10 of the division. That's better than anything Brett Rogers ever done before Fedor or after Fedor. If Fedor fought in the UFC like Shogun did, Fedors record would be just as spotty. I wouldn't call Gane a can, but he does suck in something Jon Jones excels at. We have to see how Gane rebounds then I can either sgeee with you or not. Brett Rogers is for sure a can.

I still can't believe you stooped to the level of comparing Rua to Brett Rogers. Haha & you expect me to take someone like you serious. The levels you stoop to justifying Rogers as a elite win for Fedor. Jesus Christ.

 

[SaigeVanZant]

You bring up Forrest like he's some can, Forrest captured gold in one of the most competitive weight classes ever, Shogun beat Liddell and Lyoto Machida 2x in the best IMO he has ever looked in his entire career. Shogun might've not beaten another top 5 fighter again or get to gold, but atleast he was fighting fighters in the top 10 of the division. That's better than anything Brett Rogers ever done before Fedor or after Fedor. If Fedor fought in the UFC like Shogun did, Fedors record would be just as spotty. I wouldn't call Gane a can, but he does suck in something Jon Jones excels at. We have to see how Gane rebounds then I can either sgeee with you or not. Brett Rogers is for sure a can.

I still can't believe you stooped to the level of comparing Rua to Brett Rogers. Haha & you expect me to take someone like you serious. The levels you stoop to justifying Rogers as a elite win for Fedor. Jesus Christ.

Brett is better than Shogun.

He's better at changing tires at Cisco
He's better at beating his wife
He's betterva groping men in restrooms

 

[The Last King]

You bring up Forrest like he's some can, Forrest captured gold in one of the most competitive weight classes ever, Shogun beat Liddell and Lyoto Machida 2x in the best IMO he has ever looked in his entire career. Shogun might've not beaten another top 5 fighter again or get to gold, but atleast he was fighting fighters in the top 10 of the division. That's better than anything Brett Rogers ever done before Fedor or after Fedor. If Fedor fought in the UFC like Shogun did, Fedors record would be just as spotty. I wouldn't call Gane a can, but he does suck in something Jon Jones excels at. We have to see how Gane rebounds then I can either sgeee with you or not. Brett Rogers is for sure a can.

I still can't believe you stooped to the level of comparing Rua to Brett Rogers. Haha & you expect me to take someone like you serious. The levels you stoop to justifying Rogers as a elite win for Fedor. Jesus Christ.

You said Rogers was a can because he never won a meaningful fight after losing to Fedor.

Shogun never won a meaningful fight after losing to Jones.

This was meant to illustrate that a fighters performance after a fight has nothing to do with the value of the win.

You're just to dense to understand this concept. Shogun obviously has had a much better overall career than Rogers but that doenst change the fact that Jones beat a washed up double knee surgery Shogun.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Can you guys stop slinging childish insults and arguing over this stupid crap? If you don't, I'm going to have to hand out at least thread bans.

And stop calling fighters cans, you cans.

 

[Kb7]

You said Rogers was a can because he never won a meaningful fight after losing to Fedor.

Shogun never won a meaningful fight after losing to Jones.

This was meant to illustrate that a fighters performance after a fight has nothing to do with the value of the win.

You're just to dense to understand this concept. Shogun obviously has had a much better overall career than Rogers but that doenst change the fact that Jones beat a washed up double knee surgery Shogun.

Because Rogers is legit a can, he literally never won another fight against anyone in top 50-100, while Shogun still was fighting and competitive with fighters in the top 10. Rogers only ever meaningful win was catching Arlovski early and you definitely could call it a fluke, he literally is the most unjustified ranking on the top 10 ever it showed before he beat Arlovski and also after. Jones beating Shogun and Fedor beating Rogers is not comparable. Again, if Fedor fought in the UFC his record would be just as spotty as Shoguns.

 

[Chillez]

I think calling Brett Rodgers a can is a little extreme take tbh was he a great fighter? No, of course not but he was solid all around ability wise average to slightly below that he did some things really well and others not so much knocking out Andrei Arlovski in first round is pretty impressive win anyway you slice it. Brett was like 10-0 with 10 KO’s in a row then Fedor knocked his brakes off and he went spiraling downhill since never quite recovered from that loss.


@Kb7

 

[Kb7]

I think calling Brett Rodgers a can is a little extreme take tbh was he a great fighter? No, of course not but he was solid all around average to slightly below that he did some things really well and others not so much knocking out Andrei Arlovski in first round is pretty impressive win anyway you slice it. Brett was like 10-0 with 10 KO’s in a row then Fedor knocked his block off and he went spiraling downhill never quite recovered from that loss.


@Kb7

Okay, okay. A little extreme calling him that. I don't put too much stake in fighters winning early in the bout, I just need to see a little bit more, similar to Sokoudjou beating & putting Rogerio Noguiera & Aronas lights out, then having a not so stellar but better career then Rogers. I don't think Fedor caused Rogers to spiral downhill, I just don't think he was a good fighter to begin with.

 

[Chillez]

Okay, okay. A little extreme calling him that. I don't put too much stake in fighters winning early in the bout, I just need to see a little bit more, similar to Sokoudjou beating & putting Rogerio Noguiera & Aronas lights out, then having a not so stellar but better career then Rogers. I don't think Fedor caused Rogers to spiral downhill, I just don't think he was a good fighter to begin with.

Yeah that's cool and perfectly fine sometimes in MMA one brutal KO loss is all it takes to spiral downhill and never quite recover you lose your confidence and start second guessing yourself which is death sentence in MMA you have to be mentally strong fighting the best fighters in the world.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Brett Rogers was 10-0 with all wins via KO and a win over the #2 HW in the world coming into the Fedor fight and was ranked #6 on sherdog official rankings. You're changing the narrative and retroactively calling him a "can" based on how he performed after losing to Fedor. This is dishonest and desperate shill behavior. Pathetic.

In what fantasy world was AA eanked 2nd after a KO loss?

It was mental gymnastics to put him ahead of Nog, Brandon Vera,Lesnar, Couture, Gonzaga, Sergei, Reem, Tim Sylvia, Mir, or Josh Barnett going INTO the Fedor fight. JDS and Cain were rising.