Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

[Typrune Goatley]

Hunt fought for the title off a loss.

Fedor was supposed to fight Barnett that night but Barnett turned the fight down. He wanted more time to prepare for Fedor. That's why Fedor fought Hunt instead. This was at Shockwave New Years Eve, the biggest annual MMA event. Sure, Hunt lost his fight versus Barnett before this but they wanted Fedor on the NYE show. With Barnett fighting Nog, and Cro Cop signing with the UFC, Hunt became the next best Heavyweight to put in there with Fedor.

 

[BFoe]

Fedor was supposed to fight Barnett that night but Barnett turned the fight down. He wanted more time to prepare for Fedor. That's why Fedor fought Hunt instead. This was at Shockwave New Years Eve, the biggest annual MMA event. Sure, Hunt lost his fight versus Barnett before this but they wanted Fedor on the NYE show. With Barnett fighting Nog, and Cro Cop signing with the UFC, Hunt became the next best Heavyweight to put in there with Fedor.

He knows that already, he does this same shit in every Fedor thread.
Posters like him that whine about Hunt’s title shot don’t say a fucking thing about the UFC’s Rematch Extravaganza booking. Stipe got a title shot off a loss too, and he’s about to get another one. Glover Teixeira just got a title shot coming off the Jiri loss—against the #7 ranked guy FFS. Chael talked his way into a TS against Jones coming off a loss back in the day. This shit happens constantly in modern UFC. It’s a stupid criticism.

 

[TimeToTrain]

Jones wouldn't get past this obstacle?

you think Jones has KO power? When was the last time he knocked someone out cold?

 

[icemun]

you think Jones has KO power? When was the last time he knocked someone out cold?

 

[MartinGibson86]

no buddy, i stated that imo Fedor (prime of course) is better in every aspect of mma, considering the advantages that Jon has had over his division and the disadvantages that Fedor had in his. P4P fedor is better. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours is different, but its not a fanboy take...its based on reality. But hey I wont argue with some enabler fangirl of a cheater that has the backing of an entire corrupt organization. That would be like arguing with a teletubby.

What were Fedors disadvantages against Hendo?

Age? Size?

 

[MartinGibson86]

Fedor was supposed to fight Barnett that night but Barnett turned the fight down. He wanted more time to prepare for Fedor. That's why Fedor fought Hunt instead. This was at Shockwave New Years Eve, the biggest annual MMA event. Sure, Hunt lost his fight versus Barnett before this but they wanted Fedor on the NYE show. With Barnett fighting Nog, and Cro Cop signing with the UFC, Hunt became the next best Heavyweight to put in there with Fedor.

So, in other words, he didnt run through a gauntlet like the guy I replied to claimed.


Coleman fought for the belt off an injury default over a LHW.

 

[orca]

Jj is and on pedds he will never be goat and at beginning of ufc this sport was on pets and is now by some fighters. Yes fighters are more skilled now like in football Maradona would not do today what he did in 80,s.but Fedor still beats jj same way Maradona would beat today players but just not convincingly as in past

so you are trying to tell a full grown man with a fully grown brain that fedor gsp and any other goat
are innocent and clean.only kids will believe that bs

hey coach im a good role model im gonna destroy steroid abusers in japan and im gonna do this the all natural way
sounds bs right haha

 

[TheWalrusNo9]

Utterly delusional statement.

Again, there is no shred of credible evidence to suggest this would happen.

No evidence either way so what point are your trying to make?

 

[Fioretti]

He knows that already, he does this same shit in every Fedor thread.
Posters like him that whine about Hunt’s title shot don’t say a fucking thing about the UFC’s Rematch Extravaganza booking. Stipe got a title shot off a loss too, and he’s about to get another one. Glover Teixeira just got a title shot coming off the Jiri loss—against the #7 ranked guy FFS. Chael talked his way into a TS against Jones coming off a loss back in the day. This shit happens constantly in modern UFC. It’s a stupid criticism.

I'm the first person to call bullshit on rematches and undeserved title shots, but pretending that Hunt getting a title shot off a loss is comparable to Stipe, Glover, or even Shale is straight dishonest. He was fucking 5-2 in MMA coming off a loss, bro. Not a former champion. Not a former champion with record defenses in the division. Not a two-time title challenger. 5 and fucking 2 in his career, coming off a loss. One of Fedro's 3 title defenses and "top 10" wins. Weak as fuck, brother. You know. Shale was more deserving and he didn't deserve shit at LHW.

Be real, man. Fuckin hell. It's ok.

 

[TJ177]

It never ceases to be funny that for all time greats like Jones and Anderson and GSP, no one needs to use the "Prime" crutch. It's only the Pride guys who always have to have "Prime" attached to their name like it's an honorific title like "Sir" or "Esquire".

 

[MartinBrowntree]

No evidence either way so what point are your trying to make?

False.

The evidence is painfully evident.

Jones has superior physical attributes, is MUCH more well rounded, and has beaten a much better version of Fedor in DC.

If you don't believe me that DC is a MUCH better version of Fedor, then please refer to the following:

 

[MartinGibson86]

He knows that already, he does this same shit in every Fedor thread.
Posters like him that whine about Hunt’s title shot don’t say a fucking thing about the UFC’s Rematch Extravaganza booking. Stipe got a title shot off a loss too, and he’s about to get another one. Glover Teixeira just got a title shot coming off the Jiri loss—against the #7 ranked guy FFS. Chael talked his way into a TS against Jones coming off a loss back in the day. This shit happens constantly in modern UFC. It’s a stupid criticism.

Stipe's last 8 fights have featured the worlds 2 top HWs and hes a 2x champ

 

[TimeToTrain]

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like I said, Jones has no KO power with one hit. He has to follow up with strikes against DC. He won’t be landing these kicks are taller HWs that I mentioned. Maybe he can possess stronger power on roids in Pride

 

[Bjjpitbull8]

Any version of Bones murders any version of Fedor 10 outta 10

Peak Fedor was something special. I’m happy to call Jones the overall GOAT but he’s not HW GOAT yet. The Gane fight was impressive but he did it against a guy with almost no wrestling.

I’m not overly enthusiastic about seeing a 40 year old Stipe putting up much of a fight. If Jones bulldozes guys like Plavovich, Blaydes and Aspinall, then we can talk.

Keep in mind that he nearly and arguably lost to Reyes and Santos. He hasn’t been a finisher in ages. This might have just been the right opponent.

Until we see more, I’m picking prime Fedor.

almost doesnt count for shit.

Because he subbed Gane?

FFS Fedor was not almost submitted by Mark Hunt <45>

It’s always interesting to me how people bring up the Fujita fight, when it’s the only example of Fedor being rocked by a strike in a decade of fighting HW. The lesson should be that such a thing was exceedingly rare, but somehow people conclude that it’s the likely outcome lol.

Fujita hit like a truck, Jones doesn’t. Prime Fedor vs prime Jones will always be debatable, but Fedor at his best against the HW version of Jones we just saw? Come on now. Fedor is too fast, too explosive, hits way harder than Jones, and would not be submitted by Jones either. If Jon could fight smart, maybe Fedor would only decision him. If Jones makes a mistake, Fedor either knocks his head off or takes home a limb like Vitor almost did.

Yeah. I mean, I agree that it’s not like Fedor was unbeatable. But watch the Vitor, Gus, Santos, and Reyes fights and it’s clear that Jones isn’t unbeatable either. His performance against Gane was very impressive, but I predicted Jones to win by sub for a reason: Gane is a fucking white belt, and I knew if/when Jones got him down he was gonna get eaten alive. It’s a mistake to assume Jones can just go around doing that to people.

Actual informed facts being spoken.

Jones never has and never will fight anything like Fedor during his Pride run. Bringing up any Strikeforce loss is totally irrelevant if we are talking peak for peak. I’m not saying Fedor is a 100% win because that’s foolish talk. It’s a fight. But Fedor is not getting drown and submitted, he’s way faster than Jones, and all of jone’s opponents, and he’s on a different level with power and striking ability than anyone Jones has faced by miles.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Actual informed facts being spoken.

Jones never has and never will fight anything like Fedor during his Pride run. Bringing up any Strikeforce loss is totally irrelevant if we are talking peak for peak. I’m not saying Fedor is a 100% win because that’s foolish talk. It’s a fight. But Fedor is not getting drown and submitted, he’s way faster than Jones, and all of jone’s opponents, and he’s on a different level with power and striking ability than anyone Jones has faced by miles.

You really value those CroCo and Nog decisions pretty highly eh?

Henfo is 2-1 against Fedor and Nog...he lost to jake shirlds lol

 

[TJ177]

Claiming Fedor was way faster than Jones and all of Jones' opponents at 205 might be the singular most ludicrous Fedor truther talking point.

It explains so much of the lunacy when people genuinely believe things like that.

 

[Juice]

Fedor debuted May 21, 2000.
10 years from that date is May 21, 2010.
Number of defeats Fedor had on that date: 0.
He wouldn’t lose to Werdum until the following month, which is past the 10 year mark. This is how basic math works.

You obviously don't know how basic math works.

2001 - 2009 is not a decade.

You can keep pretending 8 years is a decade if it makes you feel better.

But it's never going to change the fact Fedor was not undefeated for a decade and never will be.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Claiming Fedor was way faster than Jones and all of Jones' opponents at 205 might be the singular most ludicrous Fedor truther talking point.

It explains so much of the lunacy when people genuinely believe things like that.

They believe he was being magnanimous by not abusing guys his size at lhw or mw..


Like, they genuinely believe that shit


...and that he only fucks in the missionary position and looks his girl in the eyes the whole time


fucking lunacy

 

[icemun]

so you are trying to tell a full grown man with a fully grown brain that fedor gsp and any other goat
are innocent and clean.only kids will believe that bs

hey coach im a good role model im gonna destroy steroid abusers in japan and im gonna do this the all natural way
sounds bs right haha

Lol!

It wouldnt just be coach.

It would be Comrade Coach from the USSR/soviet republic of all places.

 

[Fioretti]

Lol!

It wouldnt just be coach.

It would be Comrade Coach from the USSR/soviet republic of all places.

Known to fair and natural in all competitions.