Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

[HHJ]

So since you know that Fedor never fought a single fight of his life in an organization with proper anti-doping testing, here's your technique : trying to discredit USADA.

Unfortunately for you, you only have made up and bullshit arguments as usual with no evidence + USADA is the most reliable thing that ever existed in any fighting sport.

UFC has the cleanest fighters in the world and assuming they can still cheat (which is far from being impossible) it means things are even much worse elsewhere.

lol I love how USADA appears,and that suddenly invalidates the entire sport before 2015.

 

[BFoe]

So since you know that Fedor never fought a single fight of his life in a organization with proper anti-doping testing, here's your technique : trying to discredit USADA.

Unfortunately for you, you only have made up and bullshit arguments as usual with no evidence + USADA is the most reliable thing that ever existed in any fighting sport.

UFC has the cleanest fighters in the world and assuming they can still cheat (which is far from being impossible) it means things are even much worse elsewhere.

Lmao as opposed to your technique, which is to pretend fighters that never failed a test or had any suspicion about them are dirty, so that you can feel better about discrediting them?

My views on USADA have nothing to do with Fedor; as I mentioned, I was very much in favor of USADA coming in, and overall I still am. I’d still say that overall, USADA is probably better than the old way of just commission testing.

—But you cheerlead and dickride for USADA endlessly, and it’s frankly pathetic. They have only gotten worse and less trustworthy over time. I don’t see how anyone could disagree with that. You look at their absence of testing on Conor who pretty clearly was on the juice, the way they handled Lesnar, the way they handled Jones, and their overall lack of transparency. In 2022, they didn’t test Conor at all, wouldn’t explain why, wouldn’t answer if he was even in the testing pool or not… they’re not transparent with who is in the pool, they’re not transparent with who fails tests, they’re not transparent with the investigative process, they’re not transparent with who gets TUEs for substances or IVs, there is inconsistency in suspensions and sanctions handed out…

Back in the day, when Nick Diaz had to appear in front of NSAC for weed, or Overeem for his crazy T:E ratio, that shit was live-streamed. You could watch the commission meeting, see their evidence, and listen to the fighters’ defense. You don’t get that with USADA. No one gets to know wtf they’re doing.
It’s become a joke, and they did that themselves.

 

[Yellowcrab]

—But you cheerlead and dickride for USADA endlessly, and it’s frankly pathetic. They have only gotten worse and less trustworthy over time. I don’t see how anyone could disagree with that. You look at their absence of testing on Conor who pretty clearly was on the juice, the way they handled Lesnar, the way they handled Jones, and their overall lack of transparency. In 2022, they didn’t test Conor at all, wouldn’t explain why, wouldn’t answer if he was even in the testing pool or not… they’re not transparent with who is in the pool, they’re not transparent with who fails tests, they’re not transparent with the investigative process, they’re not transparent with who gets TUEs for substances or IVs, there is inconsistency in suspensions and sanctions handed out…

As i've already said only bullshit and made up arguments, understand vague statements with no source.

You talked about Lesnar, so here's an example : https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/6/...da-exemption-drug-test-ufc-200-isnt-a-scandal

You have not a SINGLE EVIDENCE that USADA ever did something wrong.

Once again, you only have vague statements that mean nothing.

If you want to discredit USADA, then you'll have to provide reliable sources that explain extremely precisely what was wrong.

 

[Yellowcrab]

lol I love how USADA appears,and that suddenly invalidates the entire sport before 2015.

No but it means that you can't critic a fighter who failed a drug test under USADA vs a fighter that never had proper anti-doping testing in his whole career.

 

[HHJ]

No but it means that you can't critic a fighter who failed a drug test under USADA vs a fighter that never had proper anti-doping testing in his whole career.

Evidence vs Non evidence

 

[MartinBrowntree]

Jones wins a fixed fight and all of his fans have him beating prime Fedor. LOL
Fedor out-grappled and submitted better wrestlers than Jones, plus one clean shot and Jones is lights out.

What wrestler did Fedor fight who was better than Jones in an MMA setting?

 

[Juice]

lmao

Man it must be fuckin nice to have a 10 yr undefeated streak only to have it completley undermined by a guy with no fights at HW submitting an interim champ with no ground game. Im glad we have some serious sports fans here who arent swayed by recency bias and shiny new things.

Who had a 10 year undefeated streak? Besides Jones?

Let me guess, you are going to say Fedor's 8 year undefeated streak ( Most which were against cans ) was actually 10 years right? You know, like most of the delusional Fedor fans do. LMAO.

 

[BFoe]

As i've already said only bullshit and made up arguments, understand vague statements with no source.

You talked about Lesnar, so here's an example : https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/6/...da-exemption-drug-test-ufc-200-isnt-a-scandal

You have not a SINGLE EVIDENCE that USADA ever did something wrong.

Once again, you only have vague statements that mean nothing.

If you want to discredit USADA, then you'll have to provide reliable sources that explain extremely precisely what was wrong.

Nothing I said was vague.

First of all, your Lesnar source is from before UFC 200, genius. The scandal wasn’t the fact that Lesnar got a waiver to avoid 6 months of testing. Look at the date on your source: June 15. Weeks before UFC 200, and yet USADA didn’t attempt to test Lesnar until a little over a week before the event, with no guarantee they’d get results back in time. Knowing this, they still made no attempt to have the test results expedited.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/...back-brock-lesnar-s-positive-drug-test-result

You need me to source the fact that Conor wasn’t tested in 2022, and USADA wouldn’t even comment on whether he was in the testing pool or not?
https://www.mmamania.com/2022/9/28/...its-failure-drug-test-conor-mcgregor-2022-ufc

What I said about TUEs for IVs is happening right now. Dan Hooker accused Islam of using an IV illegally. The UFC posted USADA’s rules in response, which state various forms of IVs that are permitted, and instances when Therapeutic Use Exemptions can be granted.
https://sports.yahoo.com/ufc-issues-anti-doping-program-134521193.html
Did Islam use an IV on one of those instances? We don’t know.
Did Islam have a TUE? We don’t know. There’s no transparency with USADA.
Back in the day under commissions, we knew exactly who had TUEs for things, or applied for TUEs. So for example, I know that Frank Mir was on TRT when he fought JDS for the title, because the commissions told us he was.
EDIT: My Mir link for the JDS fight wouldn’t post, so here’s his TUE approval for the Overeem fight,
https://www.mmafighting.com/2014/1/...-use-exemption-for-ufc-169-bout-by-new-jersey
We know that Nick Diaz tried to get a TUE for marijuana before fighting Anderson, because the commission told us so.
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2015...ic-use-exemption-for-marijuana-before-ufc-183
And when Nick Diaz was denied that TUE and popped hot, and when people like Overeem failed their NSAC test, or Chael. the commissions put those things on a docket like a court date, and you could watch the entire proceedings live. Here is Overeem in front of the commission, and Chael.


When is the last time you watched a USADA investigation or hearing live streamed?

You need me to source how wildly inconsistent e USADA is win punishments? Seriously? How about Nate Diaz getting no punishment at all, or time prohibited from fighting, for a contaminated supplement—while Barnett couldn’t fight for 15 months while fighting USADA before being eventually cleared, Yoel got 6 months for a tainted supplement, and JDS got 18 months.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/3/...d-to-be-taking-his-fights-back-to-the-octagon

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-has-yoel-romero-ever-caught-using-steroids

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/7/...se-peds-diuretic-steroids-hydrochlorothiazide

You need me to source all this shit? Learn to use the internet bud, it’s all out there.

 

[HHJ]

Who had a 10 year undefeated streak? Besides Jones?

Let me guess, you are going to say Fedor's 8 year undefeated streak ( Most which were against cans ) was actually 10 years right? You know, like most of the delusional Fedor fans do. LMAO.

Continue to inhale Jeff Novitzky's farts.

 

[Fergelmince]

Why did the majority if mma sites score it for Gus?

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[Juice]

Continue to inhale Jeff Novitzky's farts.

Exactly what I thought.

I love when I call you Fedor worshipers on your made up bullshit lies LMAO.

 

[BFoe]

What wrestler did Fedor fight who was better than Jones in an MMA setting?

I like how you threw in the words “in an MMA setting.” What exactly do you mean by that? I think Jon Jones is a huge POS, but very few fighters are better than him in an MMA setting. Or did you specifically mean, better than wrestling in an MMA setting? That’s pretty hard to quantify.
Seems like you threw in those words to avoid a direct comparison of Jones’ wrestling credentials—as a NJCAA champ—with some of Fedor’s opponents.

Earlier ITT, posters mentioned the Fujita fight while dismissing him as a “Japanese pro wrestler.” Fujita is a shoot wrestler actually, who participated in the FILA championship, represented Japan in the World Cup, is a Japanese national champion in Greco Roman, and he missed qualifying for the Olympic team by 1 point.

Kevin Randleman is a 2-time NCAA Div 1 champ, and 3 time Big 10 champ.
Mark Coleman competed in the 1992 Olympic Games, is an NCAA Div 1 champ and 3-time Pan Am champ.
All of those dudes have far better wrestling credentials than Jones.

Exactly what I thought.

I love when I call you Fedor worshipers on your made up bullshit lies LMAO.

You have to really be a salty Fedor hater to count a cut stoppage from an illegal strike as a defeat. Something like that happening today would be overturned in an instant.

 

[Juice]

You have to really be a salty Fedor hater to count a cut stoppage from an illegal strike as a defeat. Something like that happening today would be overturned in an instant.

You have to be a delusional Fedor fan that don't know how to count.

Just like you Jones haters count Matt Hamill, save that lame ass excuse why Fedor loss.

Let me break it down to you since you are slow.

Fedor's last fight in 2000 was a loss ( cry more with the excuses ) which means his win streak started in 2001 all the way up to 2009. His first fight in 2010 he lost.

To all the delusional Fedor fans ( especially you ) 2001 - 2009 is not a decade.

You been whining this entire thread, now go ahead and write another novel fill with tears. I'm ready.

 

[BFoe]

You have to be a delusional Fedor fan that don't know how to count.

Just like you Jones haters count Matt Hamill, save that lame ass excuse why Fedor loss.

Let me break it down to you since you are slow.

Fedor's last fight in 2000 was a loss ( cry more with the excuses ) which means his win streak started in 2001 all the way up to 2009. His first fight in 2010 he lost.

To all the delusional Fedor fans ( especially you ) 2001 - 2009 is not a decade.

You been whining this entire thread, now go ahead and write another novel fill with tears. I'm ready.

I don’t count the loss against Hammill for Jones. I don’t think any serious fan does, although there’s more legitimacy to that “loss” than there is in Fedor’s “loss” to TK.

It’s just a bad argument you’re making, and it makes you look petty and stupid. If an illegal strike causes a cut and a doc stops the fight, it’s either a DQ or NC. Period. Everyone knows this, no one but the most salty and sad of Fedor haters count that as a defeat. It’s silly. It’s not an argument any serious MMA fan thinks has legitimacy.

 

[Juice]

It’s just a bad argument you’re making, and it makes you look petty and stupid. If an illegal strike causes a cut and a doc stops the fight, it’s either a DQ or NC. Period. Everyone knows this, no one but the most salty and sad of Fedor haters count that as a defeat. It’s silly. It’s not an argument any serious MMA fan thinks has legitimacy.

It makes me look I'm not a delusional Fedor fan in denial ( Like YOU ). That's what it makes me look like.

And what do you mean everyone knows this? You are wrong. You can't speak for everyone.

Like I said, save that lame excuse why Fedor loss.

 

[LouDee16]

Ok I am done. Your analysis of interesting. Jones will get knocked out easily and finished. Just like that.

the funny thing we are talking about jones, who beat cormier twice.. i think cormier abuses a prime fedor as well....

 

[BFoe]

It makes me look I'm not a delusional Fedor fan in denial ( Like YOU ). That's what it makes me look like.

And what do you mean everyone knows this? You are wrong. You can't speak for everyone.

Like I said, save that lame excuse why Fedor loss.

Dude. When Werdum submitted Fedor, Mauro Ranallo on commentary famously yelled, “Fedor, LOSING FOR THE FIRST TIME!”—because that is how it is viewed throughout the sport as a whole. It has nothing to do with being a Fedor fan or not. No fighter, coach, trainer, pundit, commentator, or fight fan—other than “Juice” on Sherdog lmao—considers the first TK fight a loss.

I’m not even gonna waste any more time talking about something so stupid. There are legitimate things to criticize about Fedor’s career or record, but this isn’t one of them.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Lmao as opposed to your technique, which is to pretend fighters that never failed a test or had any suspicion about them are dirty, so that you can feel better about discrediting them?

My views on USADA have nothing to do with Fedor; as I mentioned, I was very much in favor of USADA coming in, and overall I still am. I’d still say that overall, USADA is probably better than the old way of just commission testing.

—But you cheerlead and dickride for USADA endlessly, and it’s frankly pathetic. They have only gotten worse and less trustworthy over time. I don’t see how anyone could disagree with that. You look at their absence of testing on Conor who pretty clearly was on the juice, the way they handled Lesnar, the way they handled Jones, and their overall lack of transparency. In 2022, they didn’t test Conor at all, wouldn’t explain why, wouldn’t answer if he was even in the testing pool or not… they’re not transparent with who is in the pool, they’re not transparent with who fails tests, they’re not transparent with the investigative process, they’re not transparent with who gets TUEs for substances or IVs, there is inconsistency in suspensions and sanctions handed out…

Back in the day, when Nick Diaz had to appear in front of NSAC for weed, or Overeem for his crazy T:E ratio, that shit was live-streamed. You could watch the commission meeting, see their evidence, and listen to the fighters’ defense. You don’t get that with USADA. No one gets to know wtf they’re doing.
It’s become a joke, and they did that themselves.

Really the advantage of it is more out of competition testing but the way its implemented looks to have significantly more room for bias.

I'd trust it much more for lower levels than I would the big names.

 

[LouDee16]

J


Jones would have to go through Aleksander Emelianenko, Sergei Kharitonov, prime Big Nog in one night before he gets to fight Fedor.

no he wouldnt.. please tell me who had to do that... are you just making up events that never happened.. stop just stop

 

[Yellowcrab]

First of all, your Lesnar source is from before UFC 200, genius. The scandal wasn’t the fact that Lesnar got a waiver to avoid 6 months of testing. Look at the date on your source: June 15. Weeks before UFC 200, and yet USADA didn’t attempt to test Lesnar until a little over a week before the event, with no guarantee they’d get results back in time. Knowing this, they still made no attempt to have the test results expedited.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/...back-brock-lesnar-s-positive-drug-test-result

In your own link : "Positive drug test results take longer to return than negative ones, because the labs double and triple check to confirm the positive before sending it back to an agency. Expediting all results might not be convenient for USADA, which screens more than 500 athletes in year-round random testing as part of the UFC's anti-doping program."

So once again, nothing wrong, just your usual bullshit speculations.

You need me to source the fact that Conor wasn’t tested in 2022, and USADA wouldn’t even comment on whether he was in the testing pool or not?
https://www.mmamania.com/2022/9/28/...its-failure-drug-test-conor-mcgregor-2022-ufc

Bullshit again : https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2022/11/ufc-video-reaction-conor-mcgregor-usada-rules

Did Islam have a TUE? We don’t know. There’s no transparency with USADA.

Bullshit again : UFC or USADA will attempt to coordinate TUE applications with applicable Athletic Commissions. UFC Athletes are on notice, however, that because UFC and USADA do not control Athletic Commission decisions to recognize a UFC TUE or to grant their own TUEs, UFC Athletes should not use any substance or method prohibited by an Athletic Commission unless they are certain that an Athletic Commission TUE is in place. In addition, any Athlete who obtains a TUE from an Athletic Commission or other Anti-Doping Organization, will still need to apply for a UFC TUE. As a condition of USADA’s consideration of TUE applications, Athletes acknowledge and agree that their TUE applications and other information submitted or considered in connection with those applications, including decisions of the USADA TUEC, may be shared with any applicable Athletic Commission.

https://ufc.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/UFC-tue-policy-EN.pdf

You need me to source how wildly inconsistent e USADA is win punishments? Seriously? How about Nate Diaz getting no punishment at all, or time prohibited from fighting, for a contaminated supplement—while Barnett couldn’t fight for 15 months while fighting USADA before being eventually cleared, Yoel got 6 months for a tainted supplement, and JDS got 18 months.

Indeed how ? Do you know the details of USADA's investigations or you're just spreading your usual vague bullshit statements ?

As i said you don't know of what you're talking about and you only rely on bullshit vague statements with no reliable source.