Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

Dude. When Werdum submitted Fedor, Mauro Ranallo on commentary famously yelled, “Fedor, LOSING FOR THE FIRST TIME!”—because that is how it is viewed throughout the sport as a whole. It has nothing to do with being a Fedor fan or not. No fighter, coach, trainer, pundit, commentator, or fight fan—other than “Juice” on Sherdog lmao—considers the first TK fight a loss.

I’m not even gonna waste any more time talking about something so stupid. There are legitimate things to criticize about Fedor’s career or record, but this isn’t one of them.
It don't matter what they yelled. They are obviously one of the many delusional biased Fedor worshipers in denial about his loss in 2000.

Lets say Fedor didn't lose in 2000 ( Which he did, regardless of the excuses ) He still did not go undefeated for a decade which his delusional fans always claim.
 
I would be comfortable if the situation were to materialize with Emilanenko on his back and Jones in full guard. This is where i think Jones would become more prone to the greatest advantage of Fedor, his fast transition to arm bar. Also with such a compact build, he would be able to absorb front kicks of Jones i think, and close the distance which we saw with Mirko Filipovic.


That armbar stopped working by the tune mma wvolved fo Mark Hunt and Brett Rogers.


Mark Coleman is 12 years older than Fedor and luterally a remnant of "style vs style" He fought at UFC 8
 
Damn man, O Ye of Little Faith. 10/10???
We’ve seen Jones fight at HW exactly one time. He subs a grappling white belt in 2 mins and that means he beats prime Fedor 10/10 times? Sheesh.
We have also seen Fedor fight in a cage under unified rules many times.

All guesses are out of the window under PRIDE rules and management.
 
In your own link : "Positive drug test results take longer to return than negative ones, because the labs double and triple check to confirm the positive before sending it back to an agency. Expediting all results might not be convenient for USADA, which screens more than 500 athletes in year-round random testing as part of the UFC's anti-doping program."

So once again, nothing wrong, just your usual bullshit speculations.
Then they should’ve tested him on June 15, durrr. They would’ve had ample time to get result before UFC 200. They didn’t even attempt to. USADA was negligent with their waiver and testing of Lesnar, period. It’s indisputable. If you’re gonna grant some crazy jacked 280 on dude a waiver to skip 6 months of testing, then you need to prioritize that athlete’s test. Simple.
Bullshit again : UFC or USADA will attempt to coordinate TUE applications with applicable Athletic Commissions. UFC Athletes are on notice, however, that because UFC and USADA do not control Athletic Commission decisions to recognize a UFC TUE or to grant their own TUEs, UFC Athletes should not use any substance or method prohibited by an Athletic Commission unless they are certain that an Athletic Commission TUE is in place. In addition, any Athlete who obtains a TUE from an Athletic Commission or other Anti-Doping Organization, will still need to apply for a UFC TUE. As a condition of USADA’s consideration of TUE applications, Athletes acknowledge and agree that their TUE applications and other information submitted or considered in connection with those applications, including decisions of the USADA TUEC, may be shared with any applicable Athletic Commission.
Nothing I said was bullshit. The UFC is trying to claim Islam’s IV use would’ve been legal, but the Australia commission disagrees.
https://www.mmamania.com/platform/a...e-is-legal-but-australia-commission-disagrees
So did Islam do it, or not? Did USADA know, or not? Good luck finding out.
Indeed how ? Do you know the details of USADA's investigations or you're just spreading your usual vague bullshit statements ?
Thank you for making my point for me.
My whole point is that we would know if it was commission investigating, because it was public. USADA has a major lack of transparency, and it’s a pretty serious issue.

Stop gargling Novitzky’s balls, it’s pathetic.

Lets say Fedor didn't lose in 2000 ( Which he did, regardless of the excuses ) He still did not go undefeated for a decade which his delusional fans always claim.
Fedor debuted May 21, 2000.
10 years from that date is May 21, 2010.
Number of defeats Fedor had on that date: 0.
He wouldn’t lose to Werdum until the following month, which is past the 10 year mark. This is how basic math works.
Really the advantage of it is more out of competition testing but the way its implemented looks to have significantly more room for bias.

I'd trust it much more for lower levels than I would the big names.
Exactly, I totally agree. Year-round testing is much better than what we had before, when a fighter could only be tested by a commission once they were licensed for a particular fight. The problem is exactly what you say: there certainly seems to be bias and wiggle room for the big names, and over time USADA has become more more lax on certain things, more biased towards big names, far less transparent than they used to be.
 
I am not trying to be a dick. That fight was competitive but it was a clear cut decision for Jones.

It was directed at the other guy, not you. You owned him hard after he claimed most of the media scored it for Gustafsson. sorry for the confusion. I just can't give likes while I'm handcuffed with this double yellow.
 
I like how you threw in the words “in an MMA setting.” What exactly do you mean by that? I think Jon Jones is a huge POS, but very few fighters are better than him in an MMA setting. Or did you specifically mean, better than wrestling in an MMA setting? That’s pretty hard to quantify.
Seems like you threw in those words to avoid a direct comparison of Jones’ wrestling credentials—as a NJCAA champ—with some of Fedor’s opponents.

Earlier ITT, posters mentioned the Fujita fight while dismissing him as a “Japanese pro wrestler.” Fujita is a shoot wrestler actually, who participated in the FILA championship, represented Japan in the World Cup, is a Japanese national champion in Greco Roman, and he missed qualifying for the Olympic team by 1 point.

Kevin Randleman is a 2-time NCAA Div 1 champ, and 3 time Big 10 champ.
Mark Coleman competed in the 1992 Olympic Games, is an NCAA Div 1 champ and 3-time Pan Am champ.
All of those dudes have far better wrestling credentials than Jones.

You have to really be a salty Fedor hater to count a cut stoppage from an illegal strike as a defeat. Something like that happening today would be overturned in an instant.
Stop trying to overcomplicate things, you know what I mean.

Quite simply, wrestling outside of MMA, is simply not the same, and does not always translate well.

So Jones has never had the best wrestling credentials outside of MMA, but by god, one would have to be seriously braindead to think he isn't an amazing MMA wrestler.

Now, you mentioned Fujita, Randleman and Coleman. All are solid wrestlers, but are you really gonna say they are all better MMA wrestlers than Jones? None come close to Cormier's level, and Jones got the better of the wrestling exchanges.

So I wanna hear it here now - do you think Fujita, Randleman and Coleman would outwrestle Jones in an MMA fight?
 
lmao

Man it must be fuckin nice to have a 10 yr undefeated streak only to have it completley undermined by a guy with no fights at HW submitting an interim champ with no ground game. Im glad we have some serious sports fans here who arent swayed by recency bias and shiny new things.
There is no fighter on Fedor’s resume Jones would not be favored to beat. Every aspect of Jones fighting game with the exception of hand power is superior. There is no criteria that makes Fedor look greater other than fought at HW. Jones today is irrefutably not better than prime Jones. He absolutely could have had a great run at HW younger. He played the game too smart and could have moved up many years ago. You can hold onto somehow Fedor is greatest for remaining at HW if you choose. Some people see it as the far superior fighter won HW gold so that makes him based on his years of dominance unblemished the GOAT. That’s not recency bias.
 
LOL So Mirko couldn't do shit to Fedor in his prime but "Gus would beat him easily"

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Huge Fedor fan but Bones wins against any Fedor version.
 
So I wanna hear it here now - do you think Fujita, Randleman and Coleman would outwrestle Jones in an MMA fight?

All 3 have better freestyle takedowns than Jones.
All 3 have faster shoots with lower center of gravity.
All 3 have better freestyle wrestling credentials than Jones.

Cormier does not shoot takedows, he uses close single legs.
Jones is a lenghty tall guy with high center of gravity, so there are good chances that Coleman, Randleman or Fujita would outwrestle him given that the fight is in the smaller space where Jones cannot keep them on distance.
 
Tim Sylvia and Mark Hunt are in Fedors top 5 wins


Rampage, TRT Belfort, Shogun, and Ryan Bader are NOT in Bones' top 5
 
Tim Sylvia and Mark Hunt are in Fedors top 5 wins


Rampage, TRT Belfort, Shogun, and Ryan Bader are NOT in Bones' top 5
So?

Those arent even the same divisions
 
And 2001 - 2009 still is not a decade.

It don't matter how you try to spin it, Fedor was not undefeated for a decade.
Anyway the decade in which Fedor was undefeated was a splendid decade full of prosperity and peace (since he never saw defeat)
 
Then they should’ve tested him on June 15, durrr. They would’ve had ample time to get result before UFC 200. They didn’t even attempt to.

Is this a joke ? Do you even read your own links at this point ? : An expediting request does not necessarily mean a result will come back any quicker than usual, but USADA in this case did not make that request. Lesnar tested positive for the anti-estrogen agent clomiphene in both the June 28 out-of-competition test and an in-competition test at UFC 200. Five earlier samples of Lesnar's did return clean before the eventual positive one.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/...back-brock-lesnar-s-positive-drug-test-result

Once again : only bullshit vague statements, that's all what you have.

Nothing I said was bullshit. The UFC is trying to claim Islam’s IV use would’ve been legal, but the Australia commission disagrees.
https://www.mmamania.com/platform/a...e-is-legal-but-australia-commission-disagrees
So did Islam do it, or not? Did USADA know, or not? Good luck finding out.

No one cares, it's completely and totally irrelevant. If Makhachev did something wrong, then a sanction should have been already pronounced.

There's nothing, so completely irrelevant.

USADA doesn't give any bypass (they don't control AC) + it's not in their interest to look bad against athletic commissions.

Thank you for making my point for me.
My whole point is that we would know if it was commission investigating, because it was public. USADA has a major lack of transparency, and it’s a pretty serious issue.

Bullshit again... : https://ufc.usada.org/testing/results/arbitration-decisions/

Once again, you don't know of what you're talking about and acts as if USADA can do what they want.

Also USADA doesn't supplant athletic commissions from their job : UFC fighters have to deal with both USADA + athletic commissions.

So you're wrong at any possible level.

Fedor was never tested by USADA and then never experienced a proper anti-doping policy in his whole career. Deal with it <36>
 
Nice example of Mirko in his prime. Reminds of the time prime Anderson Silva lost to Urijah Hall. Virtually identical.


45 year old Andy vs 37 year old Mirko, but again, when havefacts EVER discouraged you lol?

Mirko fought 13 more times over 8 years after Schaub stiffened him.

Hall's a legit striker too...schaub isnt
 
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