not to nitpick but rogers wasn't out cold.
Again, Fedor wasn’t in danger of being subbed by Hunt. See below.
Yes yes, I’ve corrected you on your misunderstandings many times. I know that being anti-Fedor is sort of your gimmick, and you don’t care what I’m about to say. But other ppl might.
Yup, knew you were gonna say Sylvia. And no, Timmy wasn't knocked 'senseless', so again, who has Fedor knocked senseless again (not counting the washed up fighters he fought later)?
not to nitpick but rogers wasn't out cold.
and obviously that wasn't prime fedor (it's interesting that this version of fedor had probably his 2 best knockouts).
and yes, IF fedor lands a big shot on jones, it's dangerous. but timmay and brett rogers are not jbj.
like i said, both guys had advantages that could win them (or finish) the fight (and agree with others that pride rules help fedor and ufc rules help jbj).
Come on dude, how can we take you seriously when you are using Chris Haseman to defend Fedor's grappling?Again, Fedor wasn’t in danger of being subbed by Hunt. See below.
Yes yes, I’ve corrected you on your misunderstandings many times. I know that being anti-Fedor is sort of your gimmick, and you don’t care what I’m about to say. But other ppl might.
Look at Fedor vs Chris Haseman. Haseman wasn’t elite by any means, but had a decent wrestling game (black belt in Japanese jujutsu too, actually). Haseman gets a nice TD on Fedor and then—just jumps into side control. Fedor doesn’t even lift a hand to defend this, and doesn’t react to this at all. A short time later, Fedor explodes and escapes from that position.
Fedor also swept Randleman when Randleman had side control. He also swept Nog when Nog got a crucifix position on him. More recently, Fedor baited Chael to take mount and then swept him once he did.
To understand Fedor’s grappling, you have to understand that much of what we consider a good or bad position comes from BJJ and BJJ’s influence, and ruleset. Fedor though comes from a judo and sambo background. He wasn’t always overly concerned with someone passing into side control, or even mounting him. In his book years ago, he detailed various escapes that involved giving up the Americana intentionally. It sounds kind of nuts, but we’ve seen him actually do those escapes:
It’s important to understand that just because someone grabs—or is given—an Americana, or side control, it doesn’t mean Fedor is in trouble.
In the case of Hunt, he was 295 lbs and Fedor had trouble getting out from underneath him, but that Americana was quite far away from Fedor’s body. To see that sequence and conclude that Fedor was “nearly subbed by Hunt” is just totally wrong,
I’m not following. Isn’t the fact that Bader is younger and a tougher opponent than those other guys all the more reason that they’d need to fix that fight? I mean, what’s the purpose of fixing these fights? They fix Fedor-Chael so Fedor can get to the HW GP Finals but they don’t fix that fight? They just let Fedor get smoked? He comes back and they fix Fedor vs fat, immobile Rampage, but don’t fix the much tougher Tim Johnson fight? Then when Fedor wins that and gets a title shot again, in his retirement fight, on CBS—they don’t fix that either?
Yeah, I’d wager if they fought 10 times they’d each win some. If I understand the thread question correctly, we’re supposed to envision flabby, slower Jones from the other night fighting the Fedor of 2002-2005 or so? I struggle to see how Jones would be favored. Jones certainly had a great performance, and didn’t show much weakness. But here were my thoughts before the fight:
And my official prediciton:
The modern day UFC/Jon Jones stan is the dumbest and cringest loser you can possibly encounter on the MMA fan scene. This forum is filled with these types and its amusing reading the opinions of these "experts"
Prime Jon Jones at the very peak of his steroid use got beat up and sent to the hospital by Alexander Gustaffson but a 27 year old Fedor who beat the shit out of peak Nog and peak Cop had NOTHING for Jones? YEA OK lol
Some of these chumps are claiming Jones beats a 27 year old Fedor "10/10 times" and their logic behind this theory is "Fedors performance when he was 40 years old."
Some clown in this thread claimed that Jon Jones would easily avoid getting punchd by Fedor because "Ryan Bader did" completely dismissing the fact that Fedor was nearly 50 years old in the last Bader fight. This is how dumb some of these "experts" are- comparing the speed of a 50 year old Fedor to a 27 year old Fedor as if it's the same thing. Smh.
Prime Jon Jones lost to Gus and was sent to the hospital by him during the peak of Jon Jones steroid use. You clowns claiming Gustaffson was better than a 27 year old Fedor? Lol
As someone who has been watching MMA since the 90s and training in combat sports since 2007 and who has had hours and hours of sparring I can't help but think to myself how stupid the modern day UFC stan/ Jon Jon fan boy is.
You clowns want to claim this guy is better than 27 year old, prime Fedor? Nah. Funny how Gus beat and sent prime, juiced Jones to the hospital in his very next fight after going life and death with double knee surgery Shogun.
The clowns in this thread are just delusional UFC fanboys who are too insecure to really educate themselves about MMA and fighting in general. This forum has turned into a shithole of Dana White/ U FIGHT CHEAP stan couch dwellers. Smh.
Are you semi-literate?
Again, Fedor wasn’t in danger of being subbed by Hunt. See below.
Yes yes, I’ve corrected you on your misunderstandings many times. I know that being anti-Fedor is sort of your gimmick, and you don’t care what I’m about to say. But other ppl might.
Look at Fedor vs Chris Haseman. Haseman wasn’t elite by any means, but had a decent wrestling game (black belt in Japanese jujutsu too, actually). Haseman gets a nice TD on Fedor and then—just jumps into side control. Fedor doesn’t even lift a hand to defend this, and doesn’t react to this at all. A short time later, Fedor explodes and escapes from that position.
Fedor also swept Randleman when Randleman had side control. He also swept Nog when Nog got a crucifix position on him. More recently, Fedor baited Chael to take mount and then swept him once he did.
To understand Fedor’s grappling, you have to understand that much of what we consider a good or bad position comes from BJJ and BJJ’s influence, and ruleset. Fedor though comes from a judo and sambo background. He wasn’t always overly concerned with someone passing into side control, or even mounting him. In his book years ago, he detailed various escapes that involved giving up the Americana intentionally. It sounds kind of nuts, but we’ve seen him actually do those escapes:
It’s important to understand that just because someone grabs—or is given—an Americana, or side control, it doesn’t mean Fedor is in trouble.
In the case of Hunt, he was 295 lbs and Fedor had trouble getting out from underneath him, but that Americana was quite far away from Fedor’s body. To see that sequence and conclude that Fedor was “nearly subbed by Hunt” is just totally wrong,
