Jones beats Fedor 9/10 But...

[Superzorro]

The" Bones is invincible" recency bias on this forum is off the charts right now.

I think it’s deserved. People were saying Khabib was greater than him for beating up on smaller dudes with zero grappling and 10+ less wins in title fights.

 

[MartinGibson86]

All those attacks Fedor used to get on people like arm bars from bottom, sweeps, reversals, they don’t happen as much in elite MMA anymore for whatever reason. I’m not sure if it has to do with overall skill increasing or the opposite. It seems tactically safer to be a wrestler on top with GNP. Because of that, I would probably favor Jones in his prime. But it’s a tough fight either way. Fedor definitely beats current, fat Jones. In their primes, it’s kind of like GSP vs Silva in the sense of technical superiority, fighting safe and good defense vs speed, power, reflex, killer instinct etc. But idk, tough call.

The armbar stopped working against Hunt and Rogers.


He armbarred Coleman and HMC lol


It was cringe listening to Bellator annoyncer recall the Coleman armbar while Bader pymmelled him.


Bones-Fedor would look exactly like Bones vs either Bader or Vera

 

[MartinBrowntree]

Even prime Fedor looked very beatable. Granted he still had an impressive run, however, the level of competition simply was not that good, regardless of what his cult followers will have you believe. He either fought cans, freakshows, or fighters who like him, were quite outdated and limited.

Fedor should get his flowers as a legendary pioneer of the sport, but branding him as the GOAT is an insult to logic and rationality.

 

[MartinBrowntree]

They bring up Hunt but never mention Vitor, a guy that's really only known for striking damn near tearing Jon's arm off.
Its always funny reading these threads because you can tell most of them didn't watch Fedor, but highlights or gifs sir lol.

Vitor is literally a BJJ blackbelt, wheres Hunt is just a fat tub of lard who has been overrated his entire MMA career.

I know which fighter it's more embarrassing to almost get armbarred by lol.

 

[BFoe]

Vitor is literally a BJJ blackbelt, wheres Hunt is just a fat tub of lard who has been overrated his entire MMA career.

I know which fighter it's more embarrassing to almost get armbarred by lol.

It wasn’t an armbar, it was a keylock (Americana) and Fedor was not in any danger from it.
Are you sure you’ve seen the fight?

 

[Superzorro]

Even prime Fedor looked very beatable. Granted he still had an impressive run, however, the level of competition simply was not that good, regardless of what his cult followers will have you believe. He either fought cans, freakshows, or fighters who like him, were quite outdated and limited.

Fedor should get his flowers as a legendary pioneer of the sport, but branding him as the GOAT is an insult to logic and rationality.

I mean, even if this is true, GOAT has to do with accomplishments. But that said, I rather believe all the other legends who say he is one of/the the greatest of all time, up there with Aldo, GSP, Silva, Jones, MM etc. Not a random fan. The people he beat it’s easy to say they aren’t good now. But Cro Cop and Big Nog and a lot of the other fighters he beat in that ten year run were potentially some of the best all time, and definitely the best at the time he fought them.

 

[Rapa]

Jones even without bones beats fedor everytime

 

[MartinBrowntree]

It wasn’t an armbar, it was a keylock (Americana) and Fedor was not in any danger from it.
Are you sure you’ve seen the fight?

Oh yh you're right, my bad.

But point remains, it's much more embarrassing to almost get subbed by someone like Hunt, compared to Vitor, who is actually a legit blackbelt, regarding of his tendency to keep the fight on the feet.

 

[MartinBrowntree]

I mean, even if this is true, GOAT has to do with accomplishments. But that said, I rather believe all the other legends who say he is one of/the the greatest of all time, up there with Aldo, GSP, Silva, Jones, MM etc. Not a random fan. The people he beat it’s easy to say they aren’t good now. But Cro Cop and Big Nog and a lot of the other fighters he beat in that ten year run were potentially some of the best all time, and definitely the best at the time he fought them.

No, Crocop, like Fedor, was massively overrated, and he legit got exposed during his prime when he went to the UFC.

And yes, it was during his so-called prime (shortly after his legendary KO of Wanderlei).

 

[MartinGibson86]

It wasn’t an armbar, it was a keylock (Americana) and Fedor was not in any danger from it.
Are you sure you’ve seen the fight?

I saw it.


I saw Fedor fail on his armbar and get sidemounted twice by a guy in the mudst of an 0-6 all first round finishes skid.


That skid included being armbarred bt McCorkle---quickly.

Kuckboxer with no ground game (sound familiar?) won the first 2 grappling exchanges with Fedor

 

[SpamuraiSensei]

Prime Fedor would run through this version of Jones like he was another Japanese Tomato can. It would be competitive if we're talking about peak Jones, where he was on that incredible Light Heavy Weight run, before he got caught using the special sauce.

Jones started his run through Heavy Weight while it's the weakest it's been in a long time. The toughest big guy at your local bar could probably win a few fights in the current division.

 

[Ozze]

I thought TS was saying that Jones would beat the Fedor from 2009-2010, lol.

But yeah, kettlebell Fedor ain't losing to nobody.

 

[Lightning Victor]

We will never know.

 

[JKS]

Fedor would knock him senseless. His speed and power would be too much. A prime Jon was getting busted up by LHWs like Reyes and Gus, Fedor packs a much harder punch.

 

[SaigeVanZant]

lmao wtf. Rampage was so out of shape he could barely move, they hardly needed to work that fight. If Chael was taking a dive, he could’ve just done it in the first 5 seconds after Fedor sent a missile into his jaw.

I guess Bader must not like piles of money, and just refused to work a fight? Lmao, a fairytale ending for Fedor’s career would’ve been nice, why didn’t they work that fight? Instead they choose to fix Fedor vs fucking Rampage??! <Lmaoo>

Bader is still in his prime, while Chael and Rampage were at the end of their careers.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Because he subbed Gane?

 

[JKS]

FFS Fedor was not almost submitted by Mark Hunt <45>

It’s always interesting to me how people bring up the Fujita fight, when it’s the only example of Fedor being rocked by a strike in a decade of fighting HW. The lesson should be that such a thing was exceedingly rare, but somehow people conclude that it’s the likely outcome lol.

Fujita hit like a truck, Jones doesn’t. Prime Fedor vs prime Jones will always be debatable, but Fedor at his best against the HW version of Jones we just saw? Come on now. Fedor is too fast, too explosive, hits way harder than Jones, and would not be submitted by Jones either. If Jon could fight smart, maybe Fedor would only decision him. If Jones makes a mistake, Fedor either knocks his head off or takes home a limb like Vitor almost did.

People don't understand the combo of speed and power that Fedor hits with. There were big HW that were 280lbs+ fight time that were knocked senseless. Jon wouldn't take the punches. Fighters with good and fast hands were always his weakness. Fedor lands and good night.

 

[kflo]

FFS Fedor was not almost submitted by Mark Hunt <45>

It’s always interesting to me how people bring up the Fujita fight, when it’s the only example of Fedor being rocked by a strike in a decade of fighting HW. The lesson should be that such a thing was exceedingly rare, but somehow people conclude that it’s the likely outcome lol.

Fujita hit like a truck, Jones doesn’t. Prime Fedor vs prime Jones will always be debatable, but Fedor at his best against the HW version of Jones we just saw? Come on now. Fedor is too fast, too explosive, hits way harder than Jones, and would not be submitted by Jones either. If Jon could fight smart, maybe Fedor would only decision him. If Jones makes a mistake, Fedor either knocks his head off or takes home a limb like Vitor almost did.

Seems silly to be definitive either way. Both guys have ways to win. The hw version of jones we just saw won quickly against a very skilled and agile hw. It’s not like he showed weaknesses.

 

[markg171]

Absolutely mind blowing analysis to suggest that Prime Fedor beats Not Prime Jones.

That's totally relevant instead of the other 9/10 times you say Prime Jones beats Prime Fedor.

 

[NoSmilez]

People don't understand the combo of speed and power that Fedor hits with. There were big HW that were 280lbs+ fight time that were knocked senseless. Jon wouldn't take the punches. Fighters with good and fast hands were always his weakness. Fedor lands and good night.

Which fighters with good and fast hands gave Jones trouble?