Media Jon Jones top 5 fighters of all-times (Leaves out Fedor)

Hendo has wins over Newton, Nog, Bustamante, Belfort, Franklin, Wanderlei, Shogun, Bisping, and Fedor.

The only guy with a better winlist is Jones and he was the first ever champ champ. UFC tournament champ.

Yes he lost fights inbetween but he also has longeivity to account for.

Khabib could have been GOAT but he retired too soon.

Hendo is definitely a contender for the best win list, specially going by names in the W colum, although if you look deeper into it many of those presitigious names were out of their prime, in losing streaks, or were highly controversial decisions. And yeah, he lost rather frequently, not just late in his career but at any point.

At the end of the day, Hendo was never really the best guy in his division, at MW or at LHW. Not even a clear-cut #2. So he can't be above guys who have been champs with several defenses or in multiple divisions imo.

Cruz was badly handicapped by injuries, and he was champ back when the prize fighting circuit for guys his size wasnt BW, but rather FW and specially LW in UFC. Frankie Edgar is terribly underrated in that regard, the fact he beat prime BJ and was robbed vs Bendo, being the same size and weighting the same then Cruz in fight night, is not regarded highly enough.
 
Go on, try to explain where I'm wrong
"Aldo lost to every great fighter he ever fought"

Except for Frankie Edgar, Chad Mendes, and Urijah Faber

Those were just the great ones, excluding all the other very good fighters on his resume.

By the time he fought Conor he was clearly aged and past his prime. Slower, stiffer, less explosive, and unable to throw the devastating amount of leg kicks he did in his prime because of injury. Even his appearance noticeably looked old fwiw.

So when he lost to Holloway and Volk (the other great fighters he fought), nobody who has seen a prime Aldo would say he was at his best during that time.
 
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Solid list. No way would I have Fedor as #1. At the moment: 1. Jones 2. GSP 3. Silva 4. Mighty Mouse 5. Fedor
 
Except for:
Frankie Edgar
Chad Mendes

Urijah Faber

Those were just the great ones, excluding all the other very good fighters on his resume.

By the time he fought Conor he was clearly aged and past his prime. Slower, stiffer, less explosive, and unable to throw the devastating amount of leg kicks he did in his prime because of injury. Even his appearance noticeably looked old fwiw.

Aldo literally beat Chad in his fight immediately prior to Conor, and beat Edgar in one of his best performances ever in his very next fight after Conor.

Make up your mind.

Also maybe Aldo shouldn't have ducked Conor for a year then if he was past it by the time they fought. Conor was #1 contender in Sept 2014 after KOing Poirier. Aldo delayed/pulled out of their fights until December 2015. Sounds like it's his own fault.
 
Assuming that this list is for the best fighters in the sense that they can win vs most people around their weight, then this is a great list but would swap Aldo with MM.
 
Well, hello! You got your ass spanked and ran away from our last discussion about PPVs and now you’re back for more.
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Didn’t you come right out and agree with me that PPV prices here in the US are astronomical? I’m not sure how I could get spanked in a debate where you literally conceded most of the point that I was making—but whatever helps you sleep better at night, I guess. You were posting examples of past “bad” cards—several of which were actually pretty good cards, but you don’t realize that because you don’t really know much about past eras in the sport. At some point it’s not worth my time to round and round in circles with you about stuff you just don’t know very much about.
Khabib is undefeated, Fedor got finished in every possible way in Strikeforce.
By the time Fedor got to Strikeforce, he was older than Khabib and had a better record. Fedor didn’t suffer a legit defeat until his 34th fight, just before he turned 34. Khabib retired at age 32, 29-0. I know how much you love to compare parts of one fighter’s career to another fighter who never even reached that point in their careers (e.g., your scintillating comparison of Gane’s resume to Cro Cop’s lol). It’s just as ridiculous and nonsensical to do today as it was every other time you did it.
Both have only 3 title defences, Khabib’s competition in UFC was better than that of Fedor’s in PRIDE.
Khabib: Pankration Atrium Cup Tournament winner 2008; Tsumada Championship 3 Tournament winner 2009; UFC LW ChampIon (3 defenses).

Fedor: RINGS OW Tournament winner 2001; RINGS Absolute Class Tournament winner 2001; PRIDE HWGP Champion 2004; PRIDE HW Champion (3 defenses); WAMMA HW Champion (2 defenses).

It’s not particularly close. Fedor has more and better championships on his resume than Khabib does.

Poirier
Gaethje
Conor
RDA
Barboza
MJ
Iaquinta

are better and more skilled fighters than any 7 wins on Fedor’s resume.
What a weird, arbitrary, and subjective argument to try and make. I guess this is what you pivot to rather than comparing more objective measures like I mentioned? Could it be because those are about the only good wins Khabib has, and we even had to include Al Iaquinta? Shit, if we add the so-so names of Tibau, Tavares, Healy, and Trujillo to it, we have Khabib’s entire fuckin resume lmao.

Khabib has, by far, the weakest resume of any of the 8 divisional GOATs. This shouldn’t even be a question.

Khabib was also way more dominant in the cage than Fedor. Khabib never got suplexed, rocked, mounted or beat up by strikes like Fedor did.
Khabib didn’t fight at HW, and in fact, really didn’t even fight anyone even remotely worth a shit until, like, his 18th fight. You want to penalize Fedor for getting mounted by someone like Arona (the only dude to win ADCC gold without losing a single point in any of his matches) under a ruleset that favored grapplers on the ground—meanwhile Khabib didn’t fight anyone at Arona’s level until…shit, probably his 22nd fight when he fought RDA?

Your other points are so silly and arbitrary. Was Khabib fighting 10 minute first rounds? Was he fighting in orgs where stomps, soccer kicks, and knees on the ground were legal?

Regarding being rocked, mounted, taking damage, etc— I haven’t heard you complain about GSP, Silva, and Aldo being on Jones’ list. Haven’t those things also happened to them? Just silly, stupid stuff to bring up.
Khabib also fought under USADA, while Fedor wasn’t really tested.
Again, are you complaining that Jones and Silva are on this list? I guess in your world it’s better to pop twice under USADA like Silva, or 16 billion times like Jones, than it is to pass commission testing like Fedor? Lol wtf? GSP also only had one fight under USADA. I think USADA is a good thing overall, as it allows for more frequent testing, but it’s far from the end-all, be-all that some people act like it is. We’ve seen them make excuses, bend or break rules, or give fighters special treatment when it suits them (or suits the UFC).

Fedor, GSP, Jones, and Silva are locks for this list. Either Aldo or MM is acceptable for #5, and I really don’t see how any other answer makes sense.
 
Fedor instead of Aldo but the rest good.
 
"Aldo lost to every great fighter he ever fought"

Except for Frankie Edgar, Chad Mendes, and Urijah Faber

Those were just the great ones, excluding all the other very good fighters on his resume.

By the time he fought Conor he was clearly aged and past his prime. Slower, stiffer, less explosive, and unable to throw the devastating amount of leg kicks he did in his prime because of injury. Even his appearance noticeably looked old fwiw.

So when he lost to Holloway and Volk (the other great fighters he fought), nobody who has seen a prime Aldo would say he was at his best during that time.
I'll give you Frankie. Mendes and Faber are very good but not "great"

I agree, he looked deflated against Conor. The problem is that he lost the most important fight of his career, badly. He also looked amazing in the Chad fight just before it, so he picked a strange fight to jump off the "supplements"

The other problem is that Volk's win list is better, doesnt have any losses, and has Aldo and Holloway on it. So I don't even think he's the goat in his own division.

So how could you have Aldo over Volk?
 
Some of undefeated Fedors competition -

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

Good job at listing their records at the end of their careers and not when Fedor fought them lmao. You also left out another 16 fighters or so on his run. Why don’t you do khabibs record and how he never fought a ranked opponent until his 23rd fight?
 
A lot of interesting posts and people in this thread and some unwarranted Fedor hatred. You guys sure you ok?

Fedor didn't have a slow grooming process. He was fighting at the highest level from his very first fight in RINGS where he was in a tournament bracket with Nog, Randy, Hendo, Volk Han, Arona and Babalu in his very first year of fighting.

He became the world champion in RINGS and then went to Pride where he fought top 5 Herring in his first two fights and then fought Big Nog for the world HW championship in just his third fight in Pride and won and then won his next 18 consecutive fights and was ranked as the #1 P4P fighter in the world for 6-7 years.

People here talk about his losses in Strikeforce 8 years after he became the HW champion of the world, lol. Get a grip. Show me one champion who wasn't washed up 8 years later after becoming the champion. Smh.

Trolls on sherdog think fighters are video game characters who stay at their athletic peak forever and perform the same way each time you put a quarter in and start a new game.
 
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People here talk about his losses in Strikeforce 8 years after he became the HW champion of the world, lol. Get a grip. Show me one champion who wasn't washed up 8 years later after becoming the champion. Smh.

Show me one 34 years old champion who got destroyed by a 40 years old man coming from 2 weight classes below <seedat>
 
Good job at listing their records at the end of their careers and not when Fedor fought them lmao. You also left out another 16 fighters or so on his run. Why don’t you do khabibs record and how he never fought a ranked opponent until his 23rd fight?
Hey man, whether a fighter was 0-0 when they fought Fedor or retired at 0-2

It says the same the thing.
 
Would rather see mighty mouse or fedor than khabib or gsp imo didnt mm defend his belt more than aldo
 
Show me one 34 years old champion who got destroyed by a 40 years old man coming from 2 weight classes below <seedat>

Wow! Fedor lost to all time great Dan Henderson 8 years after becoming the world champion. How embarrassing! You got something there!

It's also cute how you frame Fedor as if he was an Ubereem sized HW and Hendo was some tiny MW when really Fedor wasn't any bigger than any other all time great LHWs who got knocked out by Henderson.

You're just framing it that way because you're a thirsty edgelord internet shit poster looking to generate maximum leverage with your fighter hate. Easy to spot and disregard.
 
Wow! Fedor lost to all time great Dan Henderson 8 years after becoming the world champion. How embarrassing! You got something there!

He lost against a grandpa, a MW moreover. He got badly exposed and none of your excuse will ever change that <seedat>

Such a thing would not even happen to the most average UFC fighter today, but it happened to Fedor {<jordan}

A 40 years old Dan Henderson is already an average opponent at best in his own division and a massive joke in the HW division, yet still destroyed Fedor in the first round...

It's also cute how you frame Fedor as if he was an Ubereem sized HW and Hendo was some tiny MW when really Fedor wasn't any bigger than any other all time great LHWs who got knocked out by Henderson.

Oh wait, so Fedor would not suddenly beat any current UFC HW because he's too tiny ?

So you admit Ngannou would have destroyed his little frame or almost any current HW for that matter ? {<jordan}
 
He lost against a grandpa, a MW moreover. He got badly exposed and none of your excuse will ever change that <seedat>

Such a thing would not even happen to the most average UFC fighter today, but it happened to Fedor {<jordan}

A 40 years old Dan Henderson is already an average opponent at best in his own division and a massive joke in the HW division, yet still destroyed Fedor in the first round...



Oh wait, so Fedor would not suddenly beat any current UFC HW because he's too tiny ?

So you admit Ngannou would had destroyed his little frame or almost any current HW for that matter ? {<jordan}

Hendo went on to beat Shogun and to get a title shot against Jones in the UFC after beating Fedor.

Like I said youre a wannabe edgelord internet shit poster looking to generate maximum leverage with unreasonable fighter hate. Easy to spot and disregard.
 
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Looks like Jones changed his mind on khabib

The only UFC fighter on that list that he left out is...

Stipe Miocic.

Sneaky dig at Stipe, rather than praise for Khabib, I imagine.
 
He’s the size of a 12 year old though
Love how ppl dont get tired of saying these blatant lies.

No 12yo is that tiny nowadays with the amount of hormones we get in our food.
 
Hendo went on to beat Shogun and to get a title shot against Jones in the UFC after beating Fedor.

Like I said youre a wannabe edgelord internet shit poster looking to generate maximum leverage with unreasonable fighter hate. Easy to spot and disregard.

After destroying Fedor, his record is 4-7, which is a bad record. And that was in both the LHW/MW division... also his first victory against Rua was a decision, not a TKO in the first round.

Keep being delusional though <seedat>
 
After destroying Fedor, his record is 4-7, which is a bad record. And that was in both the LHW/MW division... also his first victory against Rua was a decision, not a TKO in the first round.

Keep being delusional though <seedat>

I'm delusional- says the internet edgelord shitposter breaking his back to frame all time greats like Fedor and Hendo as if they weren't special.

Like I said this kind of thirst is easy to spot and disregard.

Carry on.
 
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