Media Jon Jones top 5 fighters of all-times (Leaves out Fedor)

[Yellowcrab]

and Hendo as if they weren't special.

No, don't try to move the goalpost : i said a 40 years old Henderson was average, which is not the same thing.

Fedor has always been average and got exposed once out of his circus show. Not even gatekeeper level at any division in modern MMA.

 

[Zharinovsky]

No, don't try to move the goalpost : i said a 40 years old Henderson was average, which is not the same thing.

Fedor has always been average and got exposed once out of his circus show. Not even gatekeeper level at any division in modern MMA.

Sure, 40 year old Henderson was so "average" that he knocked out Babalu who had just beaten Lawler, knocked out Feijao who had just knocked out King Mo and Romero, knocked out Fedor and went back to the UFC to get a title shot against Jones after beating the shit out of Shogun....

"Average"

And Fedor was "always average" even though he was the #1 ranked P4P fighter in the world for nearly 7 years while being universally respected by every all time great fighter ever. But edgelord from the internets disagrees so they must be wrong!

Your thirsty edgelord shitposting internet loser tactics are average and you're trying way too hard and breaking your back just to rile up strangers you've never met. The type of clown who certainly has a lot going on in the real world.

 

[StonedLemur]

He's not allowed to say the "F" word as a UFC independent contractor.

 

[Yellowcrab]

And Fedor was "always average" even though he was the #1 ranked P4P fighter in the world for nearly 7 years and respected by every all time great fighter ever. But edgelord from the internets disagrees so they must be wrong!

When i mean average, it's out of his circus show. He was indeed the best in his circus show.

Once he faced real competition though, got exposed as an average fighter.

As for Henderson : 4-7 after he destroyed Fedor, this is how average he was once a grandpa. 7 losses in both LHW/MW division, yet managed to destroy Fedor in the HW division.



No need to continue, this was my last message, facts speak for themselves

 

[HuskySamoan]

MM and Volk should be on every list.
I'd swap out Aldo. He was great when his competition was mediocre but a very weak finish.

Mighty Mouses competition wasn't great either, same with Dominick Cruz. Let's be honest 125lbs is still to this day a work in progress but better than its ever been. 135lbs when Cruz fought was incredibly shallow. Aldo is more of a Khabib tale in the sense he was so dominant during his run and freakishly talented at a young age to boot, he's just hard to ignore.

Volk has more work to do, 145lbs is a shallow division too and besides Max a lot of his best wins were washed up Mendes, a declined Aldo who had been knocked out several times in recent years prior, old ass Zombie, Ortega who didn't earn his shot and Max already slaughtered. Yair was a decent win but his career hasn't been that impressive yet, I want to see how said win ages. If Volk gets through Topuria and Evloev/Allen I'll concede him on this list and likely over Aldo, as of now...Aldo has more title defenses and a more dominant reign, wins like Faber, Edgar, Mendes etc stack up in modern day to Volks wins.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Show me one 34 years old champion who got destroyed by a 40 years old man coming from 2 weight classes below

i'll show you plenty if the 40 yr old is allowed to TRT up.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

When i mean average, it's out of his circus show. He was indeed the best in his circus show.

Once he faced real competition though, got exposed as an average fighter.

As for Henderson : 4-7 after he destroyed Fedor, this is how average he was once a grandpa. 7 losses in both LHW/MW division, yet managed to destroy Fedor in the HW division.



No need to continue, this was my last message, facts speak for themselves

so 2 Olympic gold medalists, 6 UFC HW champions, and 2 K-1 GP champions aren't "real competition"?

if you don't like Fedor, that's fine but acting like he only fought "real" competition when he came to Strikeforce is being completely ignorant of the fact that he had already beaten the people i mentioned before EVER going to Strikeforce.

 

[RoñaCastroJr]

It's the lower weight for males in UFC. In the sport, there are two weightclasses below.
It's a division in which Floyd Mayweather o Pacquiado became champs. The division of several of the GOAT Muay Thai and Kickboxing fighters, as Samart, Saenchai, or Rodtang most recently.

Only sherbrOs would discredit him for that.
Anyways, Im not saying he should be the best paid. Just that he is the best and most skilled.

hey you made a good point
heres my like
stil....... despite weight class (or maybe not) DJ never got me hooked up like a mofo like many other fighters

let alone the goats

respect DJ

 

[pankrat]

Mighty Mouses competition wasn't great either, same with Dominick Cruz. Let's be honest 125lbs is still to this day a work in progress but better than its ever been. 135lbs when Cruz fought was incredibly shallow. Aldo is more of a Khabib tale in the sense he was so dominant during his run and freakishly talented at a young age to boot, he's just hard to ignore.

Volk has more work to do, 145lbs is a shallow division too and besides Max a lot of his best wins were washed up Mendes, a declined Aldo who had been knocked out several times in recent years prior, old ass Zombie, Ortega who didn't earn his shot and Max already slaughtered. Yair was a decent win but his career hasn't been that impressive yet, I want to see how said win ages. If Volk gets through Topuria and Evloev/Allen I'll concede him on this list and likely over Aldo, as of now...Aldo has more title defenses and a more dominant reign, wins like Faber, Edgar, Mendes etc stack up in modern day to Volks wins.

Cejudo, Benavidez, Dodson, Horiguchi definitely stacks up with Faber. Edgar or Mendes.
Even his win over the much bigger Moraes in ONE are great.
He is the most underrated goat by a mile, simply because fans dont appreciate the lightest fighters as much, specially American fans

 

[HHJ]

Fans dont appreciate the lightest fighters as much, specially American fans

I dont think its true anymore. I just think that when MM was around,no one cared about the guys he was beating,and when he left,we had a bunch of guys start shining and getting real attention,and it was easier to tell who was really good. If he came back right now,and beat those guys,he would get alot more respect and eyes on him. I think the timing wasnt in his favor.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Cejudo, Benavidez, Dodson, Horiguchi definitely stacks up with Faber. Edgar or Mendes.
Even his win over the much bigger Moraes in ONE are great.
He is the most underrated goat by a mile, simply because fans dont appreciate the lightest fighters as much, specially American fans

I agree with this mostly. I still think 125lbs was infantile when he ruled. Benavidez, Horiguchi, Cejudo are huge wins. I don't rate Dodson so highly, Moraga, Reis, Borg etc. Not great. Also he kept rematching guys because of how crazy shallow the division is. The Flyweight roster was like 20 fighters when he fought, less than half of the other men's divisions, only recently has the UFC began deepening it and signing up top prospects and regional champs. Not debatable.

 

[loisestrad]

Let's see if we can get to 10 pages without people realizing that Jones was specifically asked to name his top 5 UFC fighters.

Lol, 10 pages.

Honestly I dunno if TS was trolling from the beginning, deliberately missing the fact that Jones was asked to name his top 5 UFC fighters (specifically UFC). Which obviously doesn't include Fedor.

But it's kinda whack that the title of the thread hasn't been changed.

 

[RonDante]

My top 5 in no particular order

GSP, volk, cruz, dj, aldo

 

[pankrat]

I agree with this mostly. I still think 125lbs was infantile when he ruled. Benavidez, Horiguchi, Cejudo are huge wins. I don't rate Dodson so highly, Moraga, Reis, Borg etc. Not great. Also he kept rematching guys because of how crazy shallow the division is. The Flyweight roster was like 20 fighters when he fought, less than half of the other men's divisions, only recently has the UFC began deepening it and signing up top prospects and regional champs. Not debatable.

It's debatable because, with all due respect, it's a pretty simple approach to the matter just looking at the amount of 125lbers in UFC roster, imho.

The FLW contenders aforementioned didnt suddenly or randomly emerged from nowhere when the FLW division was created. They were guys who had been fighting at BW or even FW which is where a prize fighting circuit existed. And they were already credited and even legitimate top contenders in those weighclasses despite a significant size dissadvantage, which is revealing about their fighting ability even if the W/L record doesnt refflect it as much.

You don't rate Dodson so highly....Being a 125lber, apart from his record at FLW, did pretty well with top contenders at 135, beating a young Dillashaw and going to close split decisions with big BWs in Marlon Moraes or Lineker. As far I see it, that's further testament of a very good fighter. Yes, even if it stands as an L on the record.
He is not even top3 win for Demetrious. I would like to see how other non-top3 wins of other GOATs compare with Dodson, and how would they do with top contenders a weightclass above.

 

[pankrat]

I dont think its true anymore. I just think that when MM was around,no one cared about the guys he was beating,and when he left,we had a bunch of guys start shining and getting real attention,and it was easier to tell who was really good. If he came back right now,and beat those guys,he would get alot more respect and eyes on him. I think the timing wasnt in his favor.

I think there is still lot of true in that is hard to sell lighter fighter to an American audience, much harder than to fight fans in Asia or even Europe. This is evident in the sport of boxing or kickboxing as well, not only in MMA.

 

[Hassan Mouzine]

khabib and jones never got flatlined or submitted. the others all lost decisively in their carreers at some point.
jones and silva roided. it's al subjective who you prefer but alol of those fighters in the picture are pretty fucking good at mma and deserve a mention at least

 

[loisestrad]

I think there is still lot of true in that is hard to sell lighter fighter to an American audience, much harder than to fight fans in Asia or even Europe. This is evident in the sport of boxing or kickboxing as well, not only in MMA.

Historically, asian fighters have always excelled in the lighter divisions, whereas the HW CHAAAMP of the world has been american/western. In general.

Had the asian fighters excelled in the heavier weightclasses, the asians would have that bias against smaller dudes too. Smaller fighters ARE a tough sell, when you know that theres thousands, maybe even millions of people who could kick their asses.

Cuz lets be honest: The basic reason of fighting is to determine who's the last person standing. Who's the strongest. Who's the guy to beat everyone else.

And that's not MM.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Not terribly controversial. I would put DJ on there over Khabib though. Any of those guys deserve to be in the conversation and you can't say it's wrong to pick one over the other; it's just not your opinion at that point.

It's always going to be hard to judge where exactly anyone lies in this conversation in our lifetime. Fedor is an old old fighter that came up in a time where fighters were really just getting the hang of mixing the arts. He had an epic 10 year run but when the next generation of fighters came along, it came crashing to an end. That said, I am super biased because I loved watching Fedor and would probably still put him in my top 5.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

I would put MM or Fedor on the list over Jones.

 

[Yellowcrab]

so 2 Olympic gold medalists, 6 UFC HW champions, and 2 K-1 GP champions aren't "real competition"?

Stop it... his best "UFC champion" is Arlovski who is a joke. He got his interim belt from this guy :



+ never beat any decent fighter post USADA.