Jon Jones/Islam Makhachev #1 P4P ranking debate

[HNIC215]

Make it make sense...

 

[deadshot138]

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Make it make sense...

Not to mention Islams fights took place this decade.

 

[humdizzle]

people need to separate GOAT and P4P.

If GSP signed to the UFC for 1 more fight against Nick Diaz... would he be #2 p4p ranking above islam? No.

P4P is more of a 'what have you done lately' type thing
GOAT discussion involves your entire resume

 

[chwmupnsptmout]

Thats a joke Jones went thru murderes row, the entire division easily stopping most all of them. Mak has fought maybe 5 good fighters !!

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Thats a joke Jones went thru murderes row, the entire division easily stopping most all of them. Mak has fought maybe 5 good fighters !!

Sure, how about some recent history that actually matters though, not fights from 2012?

 

[oski]

There is no real debate. They both are irrationally hated and both are top level crushers, but JJ is simply the best to ever do it by far!

 

[Sean Rhino]

It's kind of funny that the last time Jones fought, excluding the Gane fight, Pereira wasn't even a two-division champion in Glory, never mind making his UFC debut. Now, look at his resume.

Makhachev isn't the only one who should be above Jones in the pound-for-pound rankings.

 

[TheNinja]

You have to go back to March of 2019 for Jones' last 4 fights. That's over 5 years!
Islam last 4 are since October of 2022

Islam has had 9 fights vs Jon's 4. By that simple stat Islam is P4P

 

[MrBlackheart]

It's kind of funny that the last time Jones fought, excluding the Gane fight, Pereira wasn't even a two-division champion in Glory, never mind making his UFC debut. Now, look at his resume.

Makhachev isn't the only one who should be above Jones in the pound-for-pound rankings.

Islam is 8-0 since 2021, 7 finishes beating #3,1,2 p4p back to back to back.

Jones and Stipe combine record since 2021 1-1. Dana selling Jones #1 p4p and Stipe/Jones fight as some big deal is laughable at this point.

 

[HNIC215]

Nice to see some common sense in this thread.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Some of you don’t know what P4P is. It’s not a career achievement award, it’s who’s the best right now. Yes, Jones is one of the best ever but right now, in this moment I believe Islam deserves to be higher for having multiple wins against fellow P4P listers, mostly with finishes. The only win Jones has recently it against Gane. I’d take both wins over Volk and Dustin as more important P4P than one win against that.

 

[Urluberluu]

Islam don't duck anybody he is the real P4P

 

[jeff7b9]

people need to separate GOAT and P4P.

If GSP signed to the UFC for 1 more fight against Nick Diaz... would he be #2 p4p ranking above islam? No.

P4P is more of a 'what have you done lately' type thing
GOAT discussion involves your entire resume

Exactly.

There is no debate.

Jon is not #1 p4p and with 1 win in 4 years he should not be close to #1 P4P.

 

[whocares]

Neither title really means shit. These are concepts that were created by the media to benefit the media through fan engagement. People rabble endlessly and it creates clicks and ad revenue for the host. P4P rankings change all the time so its not very stable or credible. GOAT isn't truly a conversation you can have about fighters until their career is over and the glory of that bullshit is no one will ever agree and the conversation never ends.

But going by the common definition used for P4P, it's currently Islam and there isn't anyone close.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Jon isn't active. You shouldn't be ranked #1 with 1 fight in 4 years. It's been a year since he last fought. He should be lower

 

[Barteh]

Im not even sure how you'd put Jones top 10 P4P atm. People confuse GOAT with P4P.

P4P is way more a "what have you done for me lately?" kind of question. In Jones' case, not so much. Just one fight.

 

[Pious Augustus]

GSP is above Jones and Anderson, he did it naturally without cheating, cheating as much as Jones did= ban in any respect sport, MMA is largely run by a company that only seeks profit, otherwise Jones would've been banned a long time a go.

 

[CJrider]

P4p is current. Jones is shot and has looked it for a long time, there is no secret why he wants Stipe and then to drop the belt. Jones is the GOAT without question, but he's not the current best p4p fighter on the planet.

 

[Elegant]

Lol you'd never see something like this happen to Jon Jones

 

[nostradumbass]

Islam has 3 wins over 2 guys who are currently on the p4p list, one of whom was #1 when Islam beat him just last year, Jones has 0, and his only wins who aren't retired now are a white belt HW and a decision over Anthony Smith over 5 years ago.