Jon Jones has two records that will never be broken.

[Yellowcrab]

Sure, but those are superfluous. The point of the record is to imply that the UFC is the premier roster with the best fighters. That was zuffa era WEC at FW. Notice how the UFC didn't have a vacant belt or do a tournament when they merged they just gave Aldo the belt

Ok but how many LW never went in FW because they didn't want to fight in the second brand ? We will never know : hence why not the same exposition and popularity.

 

[avenue94]

Ok but how many LW never went in FW because they didn't want to fight in the second brand ? We will never know : hence why not the same exposition and popularity.

Uhhh. We know. Several elite LWs dropped down to FW after the merge. None unseated Aldo.

 

[613]

you forgot the third one. Most successful PED cheat.

He got caught multiple times. There are several more success ped cheats

 

[Wonderfight]

Anything is possible if you tren hard, eat clen, dbolish your haters, test your limits, anavar give up.

Some of Jones opponents did all that and lost brutally, it doesn’t mean much if you are nor good enough… Just to put it out there hh

 

[Rizzo]

There will eventually probably come along a better fighter than Jones. Khabib was undefeated as well, never got hurt, and only lost one round his whole career. So there will be more dominant fighters than Jon.

But no one in modern MMA can ever beat his two record:

1.) Youngest champ.

2.) 15 title fight wins.

Jon came at the perfect time. The UFC was relatively young, divisions were thing and the roster was about 1/4 it’s current size. The days where you get a title shot in your 3rd fight (unless you’re a champ from another big promotion) are gone.

Even undefeated fighters usually need to be 7-0 in the UFC to get a title fight. That 7 wins might take 5 years because if they are great, they deal with horrific ducking (see Umar currently begging for a fight from any BW on the roster and getting nothing lol) and just deal with the regular inactivity that has become normal.

So even if a greater fighter than Jones comes along, there just isn’t the chance to win 15 title fights anymore. There’s not enough time. Most deep divisions can’t even get champs under age 30 now, much less a 23 year old.

TLDR: Jones will always have the GOAT statistics, similarly to old school baseball pitchers with like 500 career wins, because he came along at the perfect time in the sport.

Only thing I really can disagree about here is Khabib losing just one round in his career when almost everyone agrees he should have lost to Tibau.

i do think eventually there will be a young brock lesnar type who comes in and steam rolls everyone. It’ll take an 18 year old that comes in, Jones got lucky the division was pretty barren when he got his shot but he made the best of it. He’s going to rack up some more title fights so think that record is the safest.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Uhhh. We know. Several elite LWs dropped down to FW after the merge. None unseated Aldo.

No we don't... outside Frankie Edgar there's nobody.

WEC was the second brand and many talented fighters probably avoided the FW division because of that.

Once in the UFC, the FW division became a prenium brand like other weight divisions.

 

[BBMN]

Dude if you think any fighter under the UFC banner who amassed the wins and years of dominance JBJ has wouldn’t deserve an immediate crack at the next highest belt you are a bozo. Let’s just keep it at that. All of the rest of what you said really is flaccid meaningless whining

okay lol

 

[avenue94]

No we don't... outside Frankie Edgar there's nobody.

WEC was the second brand and many talented fighters probably avoided the FW division because of that.

Once in the UFC, the FW division became a prenium brand like other weight divisions.

Frankie dropped down, Guida dropped down, Pettis dropped down, Stephens dropped down, Florian dropped down. Most that dropped down couldn't make it to a title shot.

I don't really understand your logic here. Aldo was champion while under the UFC banner for several years, so clearly he and his division were the best in the world pre-merger.

Who were these talented LWs in the UFC that didn't drop down to FW?

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

but they didn't cheat and that's the point. We can't just assume everyone is a potential steroid cheat.

You don’t know they didn’t cheat, that’s my point

 

[Mind Mine]

The point of "youngest UFC champ" is that it's seen as THE world title in the org with the best competion. That's the distinction with DWCS. WEC FW does not have that distinction given it had the best FWs and became the UFC title when merged, with no changes.

Like I said, it's a pretty arbitrary record.

However factually accurate

 

[avenue94]

However factually accurate

Sure. It's a clear record and impressive in its own right, I think people don't realize Zuffa vs UFC records and cherrypick. Just like the UFC does with its own records for knockouts and such, they pick and choose.

 

[Mind Mine]

Sure. It's a clear record and impressive in its own right, I think people don't realize Zuffa vs UFC records and cherrypick. Just like the UFC does with its own records for knockouts and such, they pick and choose.

I agree its corny and deceptive marketing however factually accurate and impressive

 

[avenue94]

I agree its corny and deceptive marketing however factually accurate and impressive

Yeah, it's like GOAT. It is what it is. Only thing I'd add is it'd be one thing if we were talking WEC LW, WW, or something, but WEC FW and BW are there own things

 

[Mind Mine]

Yeah, it's like GOAT. It is what it is. Only thing I'd add is it'd be one thing if we were talking WEC LW, WW, or something, but WEC FW and BW are there own things

It is a UFC bestowed accolade I am not even sure Jones lauds over. He might. He seems like the type lol. I don’t think he cares that much about that one so let the UFC do their UFC thing. Especially since it’s factually true (kinda sorta)

 

[Yellowcrab]

Frankie dropped down, Guida dropped down, Pettis dropped down, Stephens dropped down, Florian dropped down. Most that dropped down couldn't make it to a title shot.

I don't really understand your logic here. Aldo was champion while under the UFC banner for several years, so clearly he and his division were the best in the world pre-merger.

Who were these talented LWs in the UFC that didn't drop down to FW?

Guida : 38-22
Pettis : Aldo wasn't the champion anymore
Stephens : 29-21
Florian : 35 years old, which is rather old for the division (he retired after that)

Volka started as a WW and entered in the UFC as a LW : what happened ?

If the FW division was still the discount brand, would he have chosen this division ?

Jon Jones has the legitimate record because he was in the premium and most popular brand since the beginning = the brand that attracts the best talents.

 

[avenue94]

It is a UFC bestowed accolade I am not even sure Jones lauds over. He might. He seems like the type lol. I don’t think he cares that much about that one so let the UFC do their UFC thing. Especially since it’s factually true (kinda sorta)

Yeah like I said, it's a cool record. To me it's like an undefeated record, where it speaks both to a quality fighter but also favorable matchmaking or a weaker division usually.

If the FW division was still the discount brand, would he have chosen this division ?

It wasn't a discount brand. Again, who are all these fighters that were supposedly elite FWs but not in the WEC/UFC era FW division?

Guida : 38-22

Wins over a LW champ

Pettis : Aldo wasn't the champion anymore

Former LW champ, he dropped down while Aldo was champ but got beat by Max.

 

[Raptors2019]

Youngest champion from USA maybe. You do know that many report their age younger on the paper as I have done so myself. So someone could be like 25 but on paper they are 20, beats Jones record.

 

[Yellowcrab]

It wasn't a discount brand. Again, who are all these fighters that were supposedly elite FWs but not in the WEC/UFC era FW division?

Nobody cared about WEC, so in the LW division.

Former LW champ, he dropped down while Aldo was champ but got beat by Max.

An interim champion is not the true champion.

 

[avenue94]

Nobody cared about WEC, so in the LW division.



An interim champion is not the true champion.

Right...So like we've established, the youngest "UFC" champ record is arbitrary given that the WEC FW division was the best FW division on the planet before and after the UFC slapped its label on the division. I love how you insist that there were all these elite FWs that weren't in the WEC FW division right before or after the merger but can't name any.

Also you realize Pettis was a legit LW champ right?

 

[Yellowcrab]

Right...So like we've established, the youngest "UFC" champ record is arbitrary given that the WEC FW division was the best FW division on the planet before and after the UFC slapped its label on the division. I love how you insist that there were all these elite FWs that weren't in the WEC FW division right before or after the merger but can't name any.

As i've already said, we don't know how many fighters chose the UFC premium brand in the LW division instead of the WEC discount brand.

UFC was quickly a far more popular brand than WEC and attracted all the views.

Do you see people speaking about WEC today in this forum ? Nobody cares, while they constantly speak about the former japanese league.

Also you realize Pettis was a legit LW champ right?

Aldo wasn't a champion anymore at that time.

Also, Volka entered in the UFC as a LW and no one knows if would have been ready to go in the discount brand (WEC) if he had to.