That's why I have a feeling that Amanda Nunes will lose to Kayla Harrison or it could be a tossup

Prime Nunes would smash Kayla. Guess we just have to see. Some people are rejuvenated after a long lay off. But most fighters we see are usually a step behind from where they left off from a long lay off. So we will just have to see.
 
Dr. Rose said:
I think he might still be my favorite fighter (alongside Kerr, Overeem, Bas, and WEC Faber). I think he might be top 5 or even 3 if he started younger and/or did not have the contract disputes with the UFC disrupting his career. Think about, and I agree, top 10-15 GOAT and he never really fought in his physical prime. So crazy.
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dipstickjimmy said:
He is higher on the GOAT list then Jon IMO. Randy actually won the HW title and defended it against Legit competition and took on challenges and not just fights where he was a clear favourite to win with Youth, Size and Style always in his favour like Jon.
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And some people (when I made my top 30 fighters with most auras) were laughing when I put him in my top 3 fighters with the best Auras.

Bro, when he dropped Sylvia in the first few seconds of their fight, that was over 9000+ Aura points gaining, and as the fighting continued, he was gaining 9000 exponent 3 Aura points throughout the fight, as some of the best highlights of that fight with Sylvia is him taking down Sylvia after the knockdown, he took him down by taking his back and dragging him down and taking his back in an RNC attempt, from clipping him sometimes, taking him down like 7 times, G&P'ing him, and toying with him like if he's his son in the final seconds of their fight too.

Moments like these and records like these that might not be broken anytime soon or might not shows why Randy Couture is forever GOAT'D!
 
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Yeah, they're basically paying Nunes to take a dive. Harrison has the experience of watching the R. Honda fight and Amanda's other fights after. Kayla isn't a half-tard that takes years of 24/7 grinding to learn new skills. If it makes it out of the 1st, Kayla wins 90% of the time.
 
Davey Grant said:
Amanda is getting smoked.... she's been living the retired life.....
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It is very difficult to come out of retirement and fight a beast like Kayla. This isn't a GSP vs Bisping scenario.
 
This is very important research that needz to be analyzed prior to picking this fight. This collection of mystical linez in teh sand that cannot be crossed... is a daunting barrier indeed. Haz anyone told Lioness that though?

Kowboy On Sherdog said:
Nice Couture name drop... many have recent bias and forget he's a Top 10-15 GOAT...
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Couture'z in my top 5

I have a scientific method of determining GOAT winz, that require a loser to teh GOAT to beat another top contender after losing to teh GOAT in order for teh GOAT to get a "GOAT point." This weedz out winz against so called "canz" & also winz against top guyz who are out of their prime.

No GOAT points for you!!!
 
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I honestly think Amanda makes it look easy. Her striking is leagues above Harrison and she should be able to stuff the takedowns.
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This.

I have been salivating at the odds of this and Valentina. Now, to be fair, I am an idiot and losing gambler but these seem so obvious to me. I am hoping these lines stay bc i dont want to leave money on the books for months.
 
People underestimate how hard it is to get back in shape the older you get.

Then ramp that up to "fight shape"
Then ramp up to "title fight shape"

Jon cherry picked his HW fights. Smart move.

If Amanda trained the whole time, maybe.
If Amanda ate well and enjoyed life, she could get fucked up and receive a very well paid beating.
 
Soggust said:
This.

I have been salivating at the odds of this and Valentina. Now, to be fair, I am an idiot and losing gambler but these seem so obvious to me. I am hoping these lines stay bc i dont want to leave money on the books for months.
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IDK about my girl Valentina. Love that woman but she has been slowing down quite a bit lately.

Prime for prime she completely obliterates Zhang.
 
Myrddin Wild said:
I have a scientific method of determining GOAT winz, that require a loser to teh GOAT to beat another top contender after losing to teh GOAT in order for teh GOAT to get a "GOAT point." This weedz out winz against so called "canz" & also winz against top guyz who are out of their prime.

No GOAT points for you!!!
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That's interesting...
With that method I assume that Mighty Mouse has way more GOAT points that Jon Jones?
 
Hotora86 said:
That's interesting...
With that method I assume that Mighty Mouse has way more GOAT points that Jon Jones?
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It's actually pretty close, but I got Jones ahead of Mouse. I don't consider the competition in the minor league orgs in my calculations. That said, if someone Mouse beat in ONE FC came over to the UFC & proved to be top competition, then I'd give Mouse a GOAT point for that.

My criteria is that the GOAT point is only awarded for wins against people who go on to win against top competition. For example: Jones' HW win was impressive in itself for going up in weight, but was also reconciled with Gane winning against top competition afterward... by contrast, Stipe was retired & won't reconcile that win.

Jones = 8– HW champ vs Gane, Shogun, Bader, Machida, Vitor, Gus1 (not Gus 2), Teix, & DC (the 2nd DC, he busted for juicing) (I question Lionhearts win over Gus being proof that he went on to beat another top contender because clearly something's gone missing in Gus, who never won again & retired a few years later) - (Reyes, & Santos didn’t show they're top competition as LHW shook out)

Mouse = 7 - Benevidez (twice), Dodson (twice), Moraga, Kyoji, Cejudo

Fun Fact: Fedor, GSP, & Aldo all got 9, & Couture has 8 however Couture has one questionable one that could be added when he went up a division after retiring, to take teh fooking HW belt. Silvia didn't go on to reconcile that win, but that's pretty impressive & is at least worthy of a shout out... if not a half point nudge over Jonez... but Jonez is undefeated & so we can level that out I guess.

Also, I need to look closer at Aldo's latest run & I wouldn't argue wit teh fact that he actually won that fight with Marlon Moreas.
 
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It's actually pretty close, but I got Jones ahead of Mouse. I don't consider the competition in the minor league orgs in my calculations. That said, if someone Mouse beat in ONE FC came over to the UFC & proved to be top competition, then I'd give Mouse a GOAT point for that.

My criteria is that the GOAT point is only awarded for wins against people who go on to win against top competition. For example: Jones' HW win was impressive in itself for going up in weight, but was also reconciled with Gane winning against top competition afterward... by contrast, Stipe was retired & won't reconcile that win.

Jones = 8– HW champ vs Gane, Shogun, Bader, Machida, Vitor, Gus1 (not Gus 2), Teix, & DC (the 2nd DC, he busted for juicing) (I question Lionhearts win over Gus being proof that he went on to beat another top contender because clearly something's gone missing in Gus, who never won again & retired a few years later) - (Reyes, & Santos didn’t show they're top competition as LHW shook out)

Mouse = 7 - Benevidez (twice), Dodson (twice), Moraga, Kyoji, Cejudo

Fun Fact: Fedor, GSP, & Aldo all got 9, & Couture has 8 however Couture has one questionable one that could be added when he went up a division after retiring, to take teh fooking HW belt. Silvia didn't go on to reconcile that win, but that's pretty impressive & is at least worthy of a shout out... if not a half point nudge over Jonez... but Jonez is undefeated & so we can level that out I guess.

Also, I need to look closer at Aldo's latest run & I wouldn't argue wit teh fact that he actually won that fight with Marlon Moreas.
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OK so Fedor and GSP are GOATs by this metric as well. Good.
As for "Jonez is undefeated" - I will adamantly deny this each time. A DQ loss is also a loss.
 
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