Jon Jones destroyed the HW division

[cburm]

He's been out of action for two years now

Had an exhibition match against a retired fighter

All of HW fights during this period were useless, because there is no prospect of putting the belt in line

The he was the weakest division after Francis left and Stipe... Literally a dead division only contendors are cyril.. Tom .. with 2 gate keepers volkov and blades...

The UFC ruined it when they left Francis walk out with the belt...

 

[Epsteins Guard]

you act like jones entered the HW division after nganou left.seriously?
did you know nganou left and didnt wanna fighr jones?
do you want me to post proof that they declined to fight jones?

Jones did enter the HW division after Ngannou left. That's why he had 0 heavyweight fights before Ngannou left. Ngannou left in January, Jones then immediately signed to fight Gane and fought him in March.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Or maybe once Franci$ was out of the picture, things could finally move forward without his demands? Two $ides to every $tory, Sherbro.

Ah, right.

Things are "moving forward."

Exactly why Jones just set the record for longest HW reign... without actually fighting anybody. That's moving forward for Jones fans. They don't even want to see their own favorite fighter actually fight lmaoooo

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Ah, right.

Things are "moving forward."

Exactly why Jones just set the record for longest HW reign... without actually fighting anybody. That's moving forward for Jones fans. They don't even want to see their own favorite fighter actually fight lmaoooo

Nice goalpost move. All I'm saying is that since no one here is privy to the contract negotiations, all we have is our own biases. Easy to say that Jon ducked Franci$, but so is the inverse.

 

[SuperAlly]

Ah, right.

Things are "moving forward."

Exactly why Jones just set the record for longest HW reign... without actually fighting anybody. That's moving forward for Jones fans. They don't even want to see their own favorite fighter actually fight lmaoooo

It is true that Jones fans seem desperate for him not to fight and definitely not to fight a worthy challenger which is very odd.

 

[TimeToTrain]

 

[Dr Brian Pepper]

HW sucks, and Tom is not good or a goat. Tom would lose against older prime HWs, i have no idea why the division just dropped off the way it did.

 

[Dr Brian Pepper]

It is true that Jones fans seem desperate for him not to fight and definitely not to fight a worthy challenger which is very odd.

idk i think it is kinda pointless because at this point there isnt going to be a skillgap, like jones haters want jones to keep fighting because they want to see him lose, but the reality is even if jones would lose, he is only losing to father time which everyone knows always wins. Tom is not more skilled than Jones, he is just younger and bigger

 

[icemun]

That has nothing to do with the fact that the UFC still having Stipe ranked (let alone ranked #2!) was an absolute joke after 3 years of inactivity. Jones wasn't mentioning Stipe's ranking when calling him out (for good reason, why call attention to that farce). Jones was talking about Stipe's career and it being a "legacy" fight and stuff. Which is fine, but the UFC didn't need to look like morons trying to pretend Stipe was still a top guy to sell the fight. Everyone (including Jones and Stipe) knew what it was.

It was two years Sherbro

Stipes last fight was March 2021
Jones called him out March 2023

I hear you opinion, cant say I agree.

 

[icemun]

Yeah, if you believe that you're dumber than shit. Sorry.

Funny how Jones had to be paid $500 trillion to fight Ngannou to make it "worth it"..... but then immediately signed to fight Gane and Stipe with no crazy demands. And now he has to fight Aspinall.... all the crazy demands are back.

Meanwhile, Ngannou stepped foot in the ring with two of the best boxers in the world, despite not even being in the sport. That's called taking a risk. Something Jones will only do when he's high on cocaine attacking strippers and pregnant women, oh and his wife, almost forgot about that.

I guess you werent around when it happened

Francis/Jones and UFC were in negotiation.

Francis TURNED down the offer to fight Jones and QUIT the UFC

Francis LEFT. Jones is in the UFC.

Francis explains clearly here (when it happened)-



and more here-

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10062032-francis-ngannou-talks-ufc-split-8m-contract-offer-to-fight-jon-jones-more

Francis Ngannou Talks UFC Split, $8M Contract Offer to Fight Jon Jones, More​

 

[mkess101]

It was two years Sherbro

Stipes last fight was March 2021
Jones called him out March 2023

I hear you opinion, cant say I agree.

Okay so 2 years with no activity and still ranked? And was Stipe removed right after that? Or did the UFC pathetically keep him in there beyond 2 years of inactivity? (I'm genuinely asking because I don't know). Every month they kept him in there undermined their own credibility.

 

[icemun]

Okay so 2 years with no activity and still ranked? And was Stipe removed right after that? Or did the UFC pathetically keep him in there beyond 2 years of inactivity? (I'm genuinely asking because I don't know). Every month they kept him in there undermined their own credibility.

I hear you.
Was just correcting the amount of time.

I really dont pretend to know how their rankings works. I don't think there is math behind it


As far as credibility

The UFC has allowed McGregor to fight for championships after long periods off and multiple losses. Bums like CM Punk got multiple opportunities to even fight.

I think on the list of credibility, Stipes ranking is negligible in my opinion. Perhaps kept him just on general principle

 

[mkess101]

I hear you.
Was just correcting the amount of time.

I really dont pretend to know how their rankings works. I don't think there is math behind it


As far as credibility

The UFC has allowed McGregor to fight for championships after long periods off and multiple losses. Bums like CM Punk got multiple opportunities to even fight.

I think on the list of credibility, Stipes ranking is negligible in my opinion. Perhaps kept him just on general principle

Yeah and I think true fans of the sport should use their own critical thinking when assessing things. If the UFC wants to undermine their own credibility with CM Punk or keeping Conor or Stipe ranked when they shouldn't be that's their choice. But when people then try to point to it as having meaning, they just look silly. "Stipe was ranked 2nd!" C'mon, nobody objectively looked at that and thought it legitimate.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Dana White destroyed the heavyweight division.

Dana White is responsible for the UFC's failure to retain Francis Ngannou. Dana White is responsible for Jon Jones ducking every single heavyweight contender and allowing him to go 1.5 years without defending followed, by a farce of a title defense against a 43 year old geriatric Stipe Miocic.

Dana White is now responsible for Jon Jones holding the belt for 6 months and counting without even being willing to commit to a title unification bout with interim champion Tom Aspinall.

 

[icemun]

Yeah and I think true fans of the sport should use their own critical thinking when assessing things. If the UFC wants to undermine their own credibility with CM Punk or keeping Conor or Stipe ranked when they shouldn't be that's their choice. But when people then try to point to it as having meaning, they just look silly. "Stipe was ranked 2nd!" C'mon, nobody objectively looked at that and thought it legitimate.

As I said in terms of credibility Stipes ranking is negligible to me, compared to the Connors etc.

Two things,

1) Stipe is regarded as the best HW of all time, which likely has weight with rankings despite activity.

2) HW's come and go very fast.

Foremost in terms of Jones; whether we agree on the ranking or not, he was only going to challenge and fight who the UFC deemed the best ranked.

 

[Slaikkaaja]

Dana White destroyed the heavyweight division.

Dana White is responsible for the UFC's failure to retain Francis Ngannou. Dana White is responsible for Jon Jones ducking every single heavyweight contender and allowing him to go 1.5 years without defending followed by a farce of a title defense against a 43 year old geriatric Stipe Miocic.

Dana White is now responsible for Jon Jones holding the belt for 6 months and counting without even being willing to commit to a title unification bout with interim champion Tom Aspinall.

Exactly. Dana really fumbled the bag with Ngannou and the HW division went to hell.

 

[mkess101]

As I said in terms of credibility Stipes ranking is negligible to me, compared to the Connors etc.

Two things,

1) Stipe is regarded as the best HW of all time, which likely has weight with rankings despite activity.

2) HW's come and go very fast.

Foremost in terms of Jones; whether we agree on the ranking or not, he was only going to challenge and fight who the UFC deemed the best ranked.

Of course its negligible to you, his ranking not being looked at as a complete joke helps Jones and you carry water for Jonny. Which is fine, but that's the objective truth.

Jones hand picked Stipe, and the UFC collaborated to make sure Stipe's ranking still looked good despite him being inactive so long and coming off a KO loss.

 

[icemun]

Of course its negligible to you, his ranking not being looked at as a complete joke helps Jones and you carry water for Jonny. Which is fine, but that's the objective truth.

Jones hand picked Stipe, and the UFC collaborated to make sure Stipe's ranking still looked good despite him being inactive so long and coming off a KO loss.

Eh Jones would likely smash anyone of the top 10 HW's

He walked through Gane (who just gave Francis the fight of life) like it was nothing.

The only difference is, Stipe is established and has a name.

Jones would have been laughed at calling out #8 who just lost to Curtis Blaydes, the UFC would never allow it, further no one would pay to see it.

 

[icemun]

so deeply hurt and need therapy over it that they even make change.org petitions like some activist loser.

Good god.

This is an actual thing

Jones needs to stick around, smashing more HW's sending these cry-baby, fruit booties one suicide watch

 

[mkess101]

Eh Jones would likely smash anyone of the top 10 HW's

He walked through Gane (who just gave Francis the fight of life) like it was nothing.

The only difference is, Stipe is established and has a name.

Jones would have been laughed at calling out #8 who just lost to Curtis Blaydes, the UFC would never allow it, further no one would pay to see it.

Not saying he "should've" called out anyone else. Just that looking at Stipe as an actual legit top ranked guy was comical. It was a legacy fight. Nothing more.