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Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen JOKER, how would you rate it?

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Alright, I just saw this and I bloody loved it. Phoenix made the role his own, but it was still very much the Joker.
 
Why are people saying he didn't kill Sophie? Of course he did. The whole scene built up to him doing the deed surely? What was the point otherwise.
 
Bubzeh said:
Why are people saying he didn't kill Sophie? Of course he did. The whole scene built up to him doing the deed surely? What was the point otherwise.
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Joker only killed people who had wronged him in some way

Sophie never wronged him

Jokers' original plan was to kill himself during the talk show. Throughout the movie, he had imagined what it would be like to be close to Sophie. I'm guessing he wanted to know how it felt before he killed himself on the show.
 
The movie was good (7.5/10), but honestly for me, if this wasn't a Joker, a villain of Batman, if there wouldn't be Bruce and his family in this movie, if it wouldn't be based on myth of Gotham city, I wouldn't dig it as now. It was simply good seeing this mythology done in such serious tone, but if it wouldn't, it would be just some depressed drama i wouldn't care much... but seeing it's done on mythology i like and it was clearly shown in a movie, it gave me good feeling.
 
Joker is not a bad person in this movie

He is not a villain

He is the sympathetic protagonist
 
The last shot of the Joker on the cop car, that shit was beautiful. It will definitely become the iconic shot of Phoenix's Joker.
 
TheRuthlessOne said:
Joker is not a bad person in this movie

He is not a villain

He is the sympathetic protagonist
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Arthur Fleck wasn't a bad person at all... but towards the end or actually at the very end, he was pretty much turned into the psychotic Joker we know, or at least close to it. The Joker we know actually starts at the very end of the movie. In both comics (The Killing Joke) or in this movie, a man who became Joker didn't became Joker because of being a bad person, but because he snapped due to his life, burdens.
 
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Amerikuracana said:
If you liked the original avengers more than say.. Rainman, or Ghandi, this movie might not do it for you. If you think those movies are dated, and shazam is what movies are now, maybe skip this.
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I loved him in Iron Man 3!:D
 
Phoenix did a stellar job

The writing at the end had some issues. The messaging was... problematic.

Phoenix killed it though.
 
One cinema in Huntington Beach cancelled a screening of Joker due to a, "credible threat".
 
I just watched it today and I loved it! I thought it was a very believable origin story, and the acting was fantastic. It’s definitely not a typical comic book story. I think the reason I liked the movie so much is because it made me feel a bunch of different emotions. I laughed, I cringed, and felt a little freaked out, and to me that’s what makes a good movie. My only criticism is that I thought the movie should have ended 1 minute before it did, other than that it was great!

I think some of you are getting hung up on the fact that Arthur is kind of a loser in this movie, where as the Joker is supposed to be this larger than life persona. There’s nothing that says that he can’t grow into that role though.
 
Amerikuracana said:
It would get spoilery. The generation tgat stayed our in the driveway laughing about "The cable guy" is just going to feel this movie more. Watching/consuming the movies of the last 10 years just wouldn't equip you to appreciate the little things, and big things, in this movie.
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"You wouldn't get the movie unless you were born in this arbitrary 5 year period"... seems like a nonsensical argument to me. We're not living in the pre-TV/VHS/DVD/BLURAY/STREAMING/TORRENTS era where you watched a movie when it came out in theatres or you just didn't see it. I'm 33 and most of my favourite movies were made before I was born.

My favourite era of movies was the one Philips is claiming inspired this movie, and I thought it was mediocre. And I loved Cable Guy too, btw
 
heavyarms21 said:
My guess is they pursued him because the Joker tries to capture the spirit of the King of Comedy and Taxi Driver, but yeah he sucks as a late night Talk Show Host.
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Yeah that's what I figured too, but now I'm reading Philips doesn't want it to be compared to Taxi Driver or King of Comedy, so wtf?
 
I'm not saying this is a horrible movie, I was right along for the ride for the most part. I just think it was mediocre at best and I'm genuinely curious as to what made this movie resonate with certain people so much.

I feel like I watched a decent movie and I have people telling me it's the modern day Citizen Kane, and I'm like "Wtf am I missing here"? Incidentally, it's now ranked #9 on IMDB, well above Citizen Kane and one spot above Good Bad and the Ugly! loool I just don't get it, and I don't think it's because I wasn't born 3 years earlier
 
IGotAHugePeckah said:
I'm not saying this is a horrible movie, I was right along for the ride for the most part. I just think it was mediocre at best and I'm genuinely curious as to what made this movie resonate with certain people so much.

I feel like I watched a decent movie and I have people telling me it's the modern day Citizen Kane, and I'm like "Wtf am I missing here"? Incidentally, it's now ranked #9 on IMDB, well above Citizen Kane and one spot above Good Bad and the Ugly! loool I just don't get it, and I don't think it's because I wasn't born 3 years earlier
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I tried to watch Citizen Kane and literally fell asleep before the halfway point. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is one of my all time favourites, though.

"If you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk":cool:
 
It is almost brilliant, but falls short a little. De Niro’s usual phoned-in performance didn’t help much. Pretty impressive to see a film that’s literally 2 hours of the subject actor, though, and some nicely excruciating moments. Not enough of the Joker’s misery and despair, and maybe too much nihilism.
 
IGotAHugePeckah said:
I'm not saying this is a horrible movie, I was right along for the ride for the most part. I just think it was mediocre at best and I'm genuinely curious as to what made this movie resonate with certain people so much.

I feel like I watched a decent movie and I have people telling me it's the modern day Citizen Kane, and I'm like "Wtf am I missing here"? Incidentally, it's now ranked #9 on IMDB, well above Citizen Kane and one spot above Good Bad and the Ugly! loool I just don't get it, and I don't think it's because I wasn't born 3 years earlier
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Probably because as a character piece it's just good enough to feel personal to some people, and shallow enough that many different people can relate.
 
SaiWa said:
There's plenty of movies with Joker being Joker. This is a pre-Joker and it's refreshingly different. You want more of it because you know this version is awesome.

I don't think Phoenix is on record and personally stated that it's a one and done movie (or maybe he is and I haven't seen that interview yet). The director stated as such but things change. If the movie does incredibly well and the public demands a sequel they'd be crazy not to do it (or at least consider it). Hell they may throw this version of the Joker back into their broken DC universe. There are no Jokers for the upcoming new Batman movie with Patterson so he could easily slide into that universe in those sequels if Phoenix really wanted to do it. Problem with Phoenix though is they will have to create an awesome script that will interest him.
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Phoenix turned down roles as Doctor Strange and Bruce Banner because he didn't want to commit to long term, multi-movie contracts. Much like DDL, it's more about the art than the paycheque as far as he's concerned. They might be able to change his mind, but the usual method of persuading an actor to come back - drive increasingly larger trucks filled with money up to his house until he signs on the line that is dotted - probably won't work here. They'll have to promise him a role that challenges and inspires him.

Personally, I'd turn Reeve's Batman into an adaption of Arkham Asylum: a Serious House on Serious Earth. Joker has been locked up in Arkham for decades. He's dying, and decides to go out playing one last joke. He sets off a riot, takes hostages and demands Batman rescues them. Batman fights his way through his rogue's gallery, but can't find the hostages. He finally reaches the basement of Arkham, to find the Joker has already slaughtered all the hostages. Including a pregnant nurse. Joker, who already knows Bat's secret identity, taunts him that he has failed yet again to save the innocent. Just like he couldn't save his parents.

Batman, exhausted and wounded, attacks Joker, who's so frail by this time a few punches cause fatal damage. Unaware that Joker was live-streaming everything over hidden cameras. The cops finally storm the asylum and arrest Batman, who has had a complete mental and physical breakdown.

The last scene is Bruce, confined to Arkham, wearing a straitjacket in a padded cell. He keeps seeing the Joker's, "ghost"...

Bruce, "Stop...laughing at me..."
 
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