Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

Satsui Ryu said:
And scientists do not claim to know everything.

Here's something you may not know. No scientist has claimed they know what happened before the big bang. The theories haven't gone beyond dinner table conversation and they will be the first to admit it. The irony is most scientists will be the first to admit what they don't know.

This whole argument to demonize even the attempts to learn more about the universe is mind boggling. It makes zero sense.
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I'm not demonizing asking questions. They should continue to do so. That's neither here nor there.

This specific topic at present time, is FAR beyond any of our comprehension. The "Big Bang" is not something to be considered as fact, or anything close to fact. As you pointed out, they don't know what happened before it. I would extend that to, "they don't know if the Big Bang even happened". It's a theory devised by ONE people, on one planet, in one galaxy, within a universe that we can barely even begin to comprehend. Let's figure out how big the universe even is, before we proclaim to have an idea of it's origin.
 
joy2day said:
It wasn't a theological question if you read what I was writing in context; you responded to my post, remember? Obviously any mythology or supernaturally based belief system responds that the power is supernatural, that wasn't even under discussion; that would be a given.

I never said anything about what theory I accepted, so you basically created your own conversation here that had nothing to do with the discussion. Anyway, have a positive and engaging evening.
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You were simply requiring religious people to provide proof of their belief while you can't provide PROOF for a scientific one:

joy2day said:
You can choose to believe in a creator as long as you realize the limitations of the belief- you are taking it on faith and not evidence and believing in magic; there isn't a lot of room to criticize science when you are believing in magic. Unless of course you can explain where God got the energy from.
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It's not my fault that you accept one belief without evidence and ignore the religious answer to the question you posed - even if it was meant as snark.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
The singularity isn't technically nothing, but it isn't our vast universe.
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It seems to be our universe just compressed into one point as opposed to its current state. When it was in this pre big bang state a random quantum fluctuation could theoretically change the state of it so expansion occurs as opposed to attraction.

Just a theory but I do believe it’s untrue to say a trait of the Big Bang is something coming from nothing. That’s humans projecting their limited scope of observation on the universe. There’s no evidence there was ever nothing. That’s another assumption people make because it’s our experience to be born and die.
 
HereticBD said:
I'm not demonizing asking questions. They should continue to do so. That's neither here nor there.

This specific topic at present time, is FAR beyond any of our comprehension. The "Big Bang" is not something to be considered as fact, or anything close to fact. As you pointed out, they don't know what happened before it. I would extend that to, "they don't know if the Big Bang even happened". It's a theory devised by ONE people, on one planet, in one galaxy, within a universe that we can barely even begin to comprehend. Let's figure out how big the universe even is, before we proclaim to have an idea of it's origin.
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And that is what they are doing and most scientists would agree with you. Again they are the first to say they don't know everything and continue to try to learn more. You are the one putting words in their mouths in that their observations are static to justify your argument.

Now tell me what Christians have done on the subject? Where is your criticism of them doing 0 to prove their beliefs. Is it because they are on your "team" that you can't bring yourself to bring as much ire on them as you do scientists.
 
Ugh, even in this thread I see posters conflating a regular person's theory on something like a movie ending versus a scientific theory. Sigh....

Anyway, it's sad to see what happened to Rogan. He had a childlike wonder of the world and seemed genuinely interested in learning as much as possible. The money has clearly gotten to him but I don't think that's all. UFC is completely MAGA branded now so there's probably a little bit of pressure on him to not piss off people within his camp. He's on good terms with some of the GOP including Musk and Trump. It might also be a move to get more viewers. Don't know how true it is but heard that he's not as popular as he once was. People like Russel Brand have used Christianity to build a base of loyal viewers.
 
HereticBD said:
I'm not demonizing asking questions. They should continue to do so. That's neither here nor there.

This specific topic at present time, is FAR beyond any of our comprehension. The "Big Bang" is not something to be considered as fact, or anything close to fact. As you pointed out, they don't know what happened before it. I would extend that to, "they don't know if the Big Bang even happened". It's a theory devised by ONE people, on one planet, in one galaxy, within a universe that we can barely even begin to comprehend. Let's figure out how big the universe even is, before we proclaim to have an idea of it's origin.
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Nothing is really "fact" in science as every conclusion is based on the current evidence. The CMD however is extremely strong evidence that a "big bang" expansive event did happen ~14 Billion years ago. The temperature and radiation signatures match the models of cosmic inflation and structural formation that were predicted. So unless a better explanation for the CMD arises, a big bang expansion event is the best explanation.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
You were simply requiring religious people to provide proof of their belief while you can't provide PROOF for a scientific one:



It's not my fault that you accept one belief without evidence and ignore the religious answer to the question you posed - even if it was meant as snark.
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My stated concepts and ideas are clearly beyond you- you have done nothing but state things I never said because you don't understand what I actually am saying; it's over your head, and I'm certainly not wasting my time arguing with some simpleton. Have a nice night though.
 
HereticBD said:
I'm not demonizing asking questions. They should continue to do so. That's neither here nor there.

This specific topic at present time, is FAR beyond any of our comprehension. The "Big Bang" is not something to be considered as fact, or anything close to fact. As you pointed out, they don't know what happened before it. I would extend that to, "they don't know if the Big Bang even happened". It's a theory devised by ONE people, on one planet, in one galaxy, within a universe that we can barely even begin to comprehend. Let's figure out how big the universe even is, before we proclaim to have an idea of it's origin.
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There is enough evidence and testing of said evidence to accept there was rapid expansion event that’s been labeled the Big Bang. One doesn’t need to grasp every aspect of an event and what lies beyond it to accept it occurred.
 
Siver! said:
I've never heard the argument that evolution is just random before.

I don't think that's a serious argument anyone's actually making.

Adapt to survive is literally the entire basis of Darwinism.

Such a bizarre piece.
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Mutation is what's considered to be random. It's one of the mechanisms of evolution. Look it up.
 
Domitian said:
I'm still not sure where you keep getting the idea of magic from. I think God (for lack of a better word) is omni-present. I'm not imagining some big guy sitting in a bunch of clouds. I don't even think it's particularly an actual being in any sort of physical form, but maybe it can manifest itself as so.

I can tell though, having a conversation like this with someone who keeps using "magic" and "guy in the sky" I'm probably wasting my time. I gotta get some sleep anyway.
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The being you are describing would need to be able to travel at near light speeds in all directions at once while also being able to manifest in one point.

When you imbue something with traits that so drastically defy the laws of the natural world that is the literal definition of magic/supernatural.
 
the gospels can’t seem to get their resurrection story remotely straight and it’s full of conflicting accounts so it’s a weird subject to compare to something as tested as the event of the Big Bang.
 
This thread ia full of heretics

Theres only one god and he sits on golden throne


 
Koro_11 said:
That door is always open, someone could do that to me at any moment whether I do it to someone else or not.

The question is why shouldn't I do it, on moral grounds?
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It is a combination of the social contract and an agreed-upon law enforcement protocol that is stopping people from doing this.

I think it speaks very poorly of any religion to say that a belief in God is the only thing stopping its followers from killing people, stealing, raping, etc.

Further, there are plenty of people who are agnostic or atheist who still have a strong moral compass and choose to do right by people without believing that there is neither eternal punishment or reward for their actions.

When you ask Christ to forgive you and enter your heart he will do so, and forgive all of your sins- past, present, and future. Christian doctrine dictates that you could spend your entire life doing the most vile irreparable acts humanly possible, and if you have an earnest and heartfelt conversion on your deathbed, and truly mean it then all of those sins are forgiven and you get to spend eternity singing God‘s praise in heaven. The Bible even states explicitly that all sin is equal in the eyes of God.

You wanna get even theologically weirder you start taking into consideration the Calvinistic beliefs that most protestants hold. A large part of Christians believe that letter to the church in Romans tells us that some people are born and will go to hell because that is God’s will. They have no choice in the matter, it has been determined by all knowing and all powerful God who created some vessels for destruction so that those he chooses to save have even more glory and prestige.

When I was still a believer, I was firmly in the Armenianist camp and didn’t buy the idea of predestination because i couldn’t wrap my head around the idea of a loving God letting somebody have a human lifetime on earth followed by an eternity of being tortured in hell and that individual not having any choice in the matter. I presented that quandary to a pretty famous pastor and speaker and he didn’t really have much of an answer for me. Nice guy, lots of faith.

Then again it is sin that separates us from God and sin that doesn’t let us into heaven. Whole lot of people in hell who sinned but never had a chance to hear the gospel. Lotta kids too.

Anyways, I’m rambling but I do appreciate kicking ideas and philosophies around together. We might not agree on things but I enjoy the respectful discourse
 
RoastBeast said:
The part where we start with an unexplained singularity that turns into the entire universe. It's basically a lazy theory physicists are using because our knowledge of physics is not complete.
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We can’t explain what comes before it because there are limits to scope of human observations. That doesn’t mean the event within our limits that has all this observable evidence is less likely to have occurred.

One does not need complete knowledge of every aspect of an event or what led to it to observe evidence that supports the event took place.

lol at “lazy” theory. What theory has been tested more?
 
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Voodoo_Child906 said:
Nothing is really "fact" in science as every conclusion is based on the current evidence. The CMD however is extremely strong evidence that a "big bang" expansive event did happen ~14 Billion years ago. The temperature and radiation signatures match the models of cosmic inflation and structural formation that were predicted. So unless a better explanation for the CMD arises, a big bang expansion event is the best explanation.
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Im not sure dude youre corresponding with truly understand what the word "theory" actually means.
 
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