Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[MMAisGod]

Like I said I don't like the idea of issuing a vague pardon that isn't for a specific crime but I reject the idea that this is anyway comparable to Trump pardoning his cronies which got nowhere near the same amount of attention despite being far more egregious.

I can think Biden pardoning Hunter is wrong and that he shouldn't issue vague, blanket pardons for Liz Cheney was also recognizing not only that Trump's pardons were far worse, as they were for accomplices, but that Trump himself is giving Biden good reason to think about this option with how openly he is threatening to go after political opponents in a manner unprecedented in US. We're supposed to look at all this and think Biden is the problem here? Nah.

For all the screaming some of y'all do about "threat to democracy dictator level", it's mind-blowing you're legitimately fine with Trump AMPLIFYING whatever he'd do in the next 4 years with the power of pardoning anyone in the future for anything they may be accused of. Because if a future pardon is given out to the Cheney group of the world that "covers stuff they'd be accused of" this is the worst take of 2024 imo. This is LITERALLY telling Trump to do infinitely worse in 2028. It's better to pardon someone for murder than it is to create a new precedent for Trump that he can future pardon his buddies in this manner. Or any future president after him. I don't think it's even close. This is the difference between thinking in the moment and thinking of long term impact.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

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I mean just read these threads that mention him, I’m not great at the search function.

Some justify Barron being attacked/made fun of cause Chelsea Clinton was made fun of…..she literally would not condone that

well you did find two examples. i didn't think there'd be much of anything. i didn't remember this actually being a thing. lol @ the SNL one. and the two old threads where pretty much everybody in there is banned.

 

[Islam Imamate]

For all the screaming some of y'all do about "threat to democracy dictator level", it's mind-blowing you're legitimately fine with Trump AMPLIFYING whatever he'd do in the next 4 years with the power of pardoning anyone in the future for anything they may be accused of.

Where did I say I was fine with that? I just said this in the post you responded to

Like I said I don't like the idea of issuing a vague pardon that isn't for a specific crime but I reject the idea that this is anyway comparable to Trump pardoning his cronies which got nowhere near the same amount of attention despite being far more egregious.

I can think Biden pardoning Hunter is wrong and that he shouldn't issue vague, blanket pardons for Liz Cheney was also recognizing not only that Trump's pardons were far worse, as they were for accomplices, but that Trump himself is giving Biden good reason to think about this option with how openly he is threatening to go after political opponents in a manner unprecedented in US history. We're supposed to look at all this and think Biden is the problem here? Nah.

Because of a future pardon is given out to the Cheney group of the world that "covers stuff they'd be accused of" this is the worst take of 2024 imo. This is LITERALLY telling Trump to do infinitely worse in 2028. It's better to pardon someone for murder than it is to create a new precedent for Trump that he can future pardon his buddies in this manner. I don't think it's even close. This is the difference between thinking in the moment and thinking of long term impact.

Even back in his first term Trump talked about pardoning himself, I don't know he needs to take cues from the Democrats here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434

Also not sure why you can't acknowledge that the root issue here is Trump threatening to go after his political opponents with the DOJ and that's why Biden is even considering this in the first place and instead acting like Biden is going rogue for no reason.

 

[Andy Capp]

The years of investigation with no evidence sure reads like youre saying he’s innocent Andy.

Sigh. No. I'm saying unless new information turns up there's no probable cause to believe he committed any crime other than the ones he was charged for after the investigations that have already occurred turned up bupkis.

I don't have any personal opinion on what he's done or hasn't done. You can assume he did all kinds of shit if you want--unless you're in law enforcement. I said no one has shown and basis for further action against him. In the absence of that, going on a fishing expedition is wrong. It's crazy to me you think that's OK; I'm glad you're not a cop--or a judge.

I note that you completely ignored my questions about the 5th amendment and the right to remain silent during questioning.

I'm not sure how to make my position any clearer so that you will stop misrepresenting what I've said so I'm done with this now.

 

[BFoe]

So, you are saying the Democrat run DOJ had zero evidence against Hunter, decided to arbitrarily go after him, and somehow got him convicted in the 99% Democrat district of Los Angeles?

I didn’t say any of those things. I’ll make it quick for you.

—David Weiss was appointed under Trump’s DOJ, not a “Democrat run DOJ.”

—Garland let Weiss work without interference, as Weiss testified under oath.

—When I spoke of evidence, I was speaking of not having any evidence of this big money-laundering BiDeN cRImE FaMiLy business that you guys keep going on about. Obviously there was evidence of tax evasion and the gun charge they brought, that’s not in dispute.

This is what I was talking about. These things are just indefensible to me. I don't wanna hear Trump, Obama, Bush, whoever. I'm talking about the here and now. You can't be like "I'm gonna pardon Liz Cheney for x amount of future time for anything they may be accused of, oh and some others too". This is actually worse to me than some of the terrible pardons other presidents have made and sets precedent that can lead to MUCHHH worse abuse in the future.

Well, the “here and now” is directly related to Trump. All of this is happening because of who just got elected here and now, and what he’s threatened to do once in office. America elected a POTUS who is threatening his opponents with very serious things in unprecedented ways, so people are forced to defend themselves in unprecedented ways. That’s the TLDR of this.
So if you don’t want to hear about him, stop reading now because there’s no discussion to be had.

I have already said I don’t think the pardon, in and of itself, is good. Of course it sets a bad precedent, just like several of Trump’s pardons that no one seems to give a shit about. Just like electing a convicted felon, and one facing 60 more felonies against the American people, but no one can be made to give a shit about that.

What I’m done with, is being made to GAF when those on the other side never do. It’s always deflect, deny, TDS, own the libs, troll and meme, liberal tears, etc— but if the shoe is on the other foot, oh my, that’s a solemn occasion! I should care deeply, and condemn my side, and do alllll the things that those people NEVER do regarding Trump’s conduct, or the conduct of others on their political side.

They voted Trump to “burn it all down,” but never thought the fire would spread to their house too. Big oops.

 

[MMAisGod]

Where did I say I was fine with that? I just said this in the post you responded to


Even back in his First term Trump talked about pardoning himself for unspecified crimes, I don't know he's taking cues from the Democrats.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434

Also not sure why you can't acknowledge that the root issue here is Trump threatening to go after his political opponents with the DOJ and that's why Biden is even considering this in the first place and instead acting like Biden is going rogue for no reason.

Because being fine with Biden pardoning people who "might be investigated in the future" is literally the same thing as being fine with Trump future pardoning people who may be investigated. You see, if this sets a new precedent, YOU are supporting Trump doing much worse than he would do the next 4 years and in 2028 because he would know he has this in his pocket. If it gets shutdown that would be perfect, but YOU think Biden should be allowed to do it because Trump's people might "go after them". This is infinitely worse than some Hunter Biden pardoning. If those actually become "future pardons", what do you think happens in 2028? Legit question. Do you not see how much worse 2028 could be if we set a new precedent of "future pardons"?

The reality is if Trump investigates Cheney or Fauci or whoever, the ALTERNATIVE of Trump using the PRECEDENT that will be set is MUCH worse. MUCH WORSE. This needs to never happen or you're ASKING for things to be worse, because there is no conclusion that they won't be. That's what I'm saying.

@BFoe because you replied as well, above for you too. I'm not talking some TDS or whatever, I'm talking the above. Long term if everything you think about Trump is true, this is much, much, MUCH more damaging if this precedent is set. Literally nothing outweighs setting this precedent for reasons you yourself have listed many times.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well, the “here and now” is directly related to Trump. All of this is happening because of who just got elected here and now, and what he’s threatened to do once in office. America elected a POTUS who is threatening his opponents with very serious things in unprecedented ways, so people are forced to defend themselves in unprecedented ways. That’s the TLDR of this.
So if you don’t want to hear about him, stop reading now because there’s no discussion to be had.

I have already said I don’t think the pardon, in and of itself, is good. Of course it sets a bad precedent, just like several of Trump’s pardons that no one seems to give a shit about. Just like electing a convicted felon, and one facing 60 more felonies against the American people, but no one can be made to give a shit about that.

What I’m done with, is being made to GAF when those on the other side never do. It’s always deflect, deny, TDS, own the libs, troll and meme, liberal tears, etc— but if the shoe is on the other foot, oh my, that’s a solemn occasion! I should care deeply, and condemn my side, and do alllll the things that those people NEVER do regarding Trump’s conduct, or the conduct of others on their political side.

They voted Trump to “burn it all down,” but never thought the fire would spread to their house too. Big oops.

See I'm probably harder on Joe B here than you are because I absoltuely don't think he should've done it because of how bad the optics are and because the only eprson who stands to gain is Hunter.

I'm okay with Democrats violating some norms given that the GOP under Trump has made it a point to do so but even then it should be done selectively and mainly when there's big upside and the the norm violation is not too egregious. This is not that, in fact its the opposite in that its perceived as very egregious and yet it only has upside for Hunter and his family.

That said, yes you're absolutely right that people are just ignoring Trump's blatant threats to wield the DOJ against people he doesn't like.

Because being fine with Biden pardoning people who "might be investigated in the future" is literally the same thing as being fine with Trump future pardoning people who may be investigated. You see, if this sets a new precedent, YOU are supporting Trump doing much worse than he would do the next 4 years and in 2028 because he would know he has this in his pocket. If it gets shutdown that would be perfect, but YOU think Biden should be allowed to do it because Trump's people might "go after them". This is infinitely worse than some Hunter Biden pardoning. If those actually become "future pardons", what do you think happens in 2028? Legit question. Do you not see how much worse 2028 could be if we set a new precedent of "future pardons"?

Well no its not because pardons should be evaluated on a case by case basis. But even if that was the case(though its clearly not) you still keep ignoring that I said this

Like I said I don't like the idea of issuing a vague pardon that isn't for a specific crime but I reject the idea that this is anyway comparable to Trump pardoning his cronies which got nowhere near the same amount of attention despite being far more egregious.

I can think Biden pardoning Hunter is wrong and that he shouldn't issue vague, blanket pardons for Liz Cheney was also recognizing not only that Trump's pardons were far worse, as they were for accomplices, but that Trump himself is giving Biden good reason to think about this option with how openly he is threatening to go after political opponents in a manner unprecedented in US history. We're supposed to look at all this and think Biden is the problem here? Nah.

Now can you address the other points I made there? Like the fact that a major reason this is all happening is because Trump is threatening to wield the DOJ against his enemies and that the point of a pardon to defend against that?

The reality is if Trump investigates Cheney or Fauci or whoever, the ALTERNATIVE of Trump using the PRECEDENT that will be set is MUCH worse. MUCH WORSE. This needs to never happen or you're ASKING for things to be worse, because there is no conclusion that they won't be. That's what I'm saying.

@BFoe because you replied as well, above for you too. I'm not talking some TDS or whatever, I'm talking the above. Long term if everything you think about Trump is true, this is much, much, MUCH more damaging if this precedent is set. Literally nothing outweighs setting this precedent for reasons you yourself have listed many times.

Who is to say Trump won't do that anyway? In his first term he already got away with egregious pardons. Did you have anything to say about them then?

 

[SKYNET]

3rd day in a row I have to remind the kids that the adults in the room have spoken

When the cat's away, the mice will play

This thread is about Biden pardoning his son. It’s a terrible look for Joe and dems considering he said he wouldn’t. What Trump did doesn’t mitigate that. This is the time to be consistent and condemn this. It’s not a time to whatabout Trump.

WR Post of the year 2024

 

[Scerpi]

Because being fine with Biden pardoning people who "might be investigated in the future" is literally the same thing as being fine with Trump future pardoning people who may be investigated. You see, if this sets a new precedent, YOU are supporting Trump doing much worse than he would do the next 4 years and in 2028 because he would know he has this in his pocket. If it gets shutdown that would be perfect, but YOU think Biden should be allowed to do it because Trump's people might "go after them". This is infinitely worse than some Hunter Biden pardoning. If those actually become "future pardons", what do you think happens in 2028? Legit question. Do you not see how much worse 2028 could be if we set a new precedent of "future pardons"?

The reality is if Trump investigates Cheney or Fauci or whoever, the ALTERNATIVE of Trump using the PRECEDENT that will be set is MUCH worse. MUCH WORSE. This needs to never happen or you're ASKING for things to be worse, because there is no conclusion that they won't be. That's what I'm saying.

@BFoe because you replied as well, above for you too. I'm not talking some TDS or whatever, I'm talking the above. Long term if everything you think about Trump is true, this is much, much, MUCH more damaging if this precedent is set. Literally nothing outweighs setting this precedent for reasons you yourself have listed many times.

Fauci? We can only hope

 

[SKYNET]

Fauci? We can only hope

Yeah apparently we were supposed to memory hole the fact that Fauci is a liar, just the like rest of the cretins in Washington DC

 

[Scerpi]

Yeah apparently we were supposed to memory hole the fact that Fauci is a liar, just the like rest of the cretins in Washington DC

 

[BFoe]

Because being fine with Biden pardoning people who "might be investigated in the future" is literally the same thing as being fine with Trump future pardoning people who may be investigated. You see, if this sets a new precedent, YOU are supporting Trump doing much worse than he would do the next 4 years and in 2028 because he would know he has this in his pocket. If it gets shutdown that would be perfect, but YOU think Biden should be allowed to do it because Trump's people might "go after them". This is infinitely worse than some Hunter Biden pardoning. If those actually become "future pardons", what do you think happens in 2028? Legit question. Do you not see how much worse 2028 could be if we set a new precedent of "future pardons"?

The reality is if Trump investigates Cheney or Fauci or whoever, the ALTERNATIVE of Trump using the PRECEDENT that will be set is MUCH worse. MUCH WORSE. This needs to never happen or you're ASKING for things to be worse, because there is no conclusion that they won't be. That's what I'm saying.

@BFoe because you replied as well, above for you too. I'm not talking some TDS or whatever, I'm talking the above. Long term if everything you think about Trump is true, this is much, much, MUCH more damaging if this precedent is set. Literally nothing outweighs setting this precedent for reasons you yourself have listed many times.

If we’re talking specifically about the Cheney/Schiff pardons, I think we’d have to wait and see exactly how those pardons are structured and what exactly the “offenses” are that they’re being pardoned for. As you are envisioning it, I don’t think those pardons will hold up. I imagine SCOTUS would strike them down. Which is also a crazy precedent.

Speaking of them, I’d argue that the immunity ruling is a far worse precedent and already allows Trump to do far worse things than this “future pardon” thing does.

But I agree with you, it’s definitely a bad precedent and it’s really sad to see the country where it is now.

 

[MMAisGod]

See I'm probably harder on Joe B here than you are because I absoltuely don't think he should've done it because of how bad the optics are and because the only eprson who stands to gain is Hunter.

I'm okay with Democrats violating some norms given that the GOP under Trump has made it a point to do so but even then it should be done selectively and mainly when there's big upside and the the norm violation is not too egregious. This is not that, in fact its the opposite in that its perceived as very egregious and yet it only has upside for Hunter and his family.

That said, yes you're absolutely right that people are just ignoring Trump's blatant threats to wield the DOJ against people he doesn't like.

Well no its not because pardons should be evaluated on a case by case basis. But even if that was the case(though its clearly not) you still keep ignoring that I said this

Now can you address the other points I made there? Like the fact that a major reason this is all happening is because Trump is threatening to wield the DOJ against his enemies and that the point of a pardon to defend against that?

Who is to say Trump won't do that anyway? In his first term he already got away with egregious pardons. Did you have anything to say about them then?

Yea, I think Trump made some very dubious pardons to say the least. Much worse than Hunter's. Hunters was bad for different reasons, bad timing on patty and nepotism optics combined with previous comments. Trump's had some true scumbags in his which is worse objectively even if lesser known. But no pardon in history is worse than a "future pardon". And there's a lot there so I am going to say it in more simple terms, as a timeline of very likely events if that was to happen.

-Biden future pardons X amount of people because they may be investigated in the future (even if unfairly)
-Trump, who sees this, now says to himself "oh instead of trying to pardon myself in a few years I can go all in and pardon all my group of any potential investigations, excellent time to go supervillain
-Instead of getting 100% Trump, now you get 600% Trump And Friends
-2028 comes and he future pardons a bunch of guys that you know did all types of illegal damaging dirt to the economy, to people, etc, making them immune to investigation
-2028 President wins and it's JD Vance or some Maga guy, he says "oh if you think that was something just wait to see what I do in 2032".

This is why I didn't address the point you made that your referenced. Because to me, ALL POINTS are inferior to the very likely conclusion of the actions. We ALREADY have Trump for 2024 and ALREADY will deal with the Trumping for 4 years, but there is NO tradeoff i am willing to compromise that gives Trump ultimate future pardons power in 2028. None. This to me is literally, no hyperbole, the #1 worst case scenario that I can think of, which is why this precedent should not be set under any circumstances.

If we’re talking specifically about the Cheney/Schiff pardons, I think we’d have to wait and see exactly how those pardons are structured and what exactly the “offenses” are that they’re being pardoned for. As you are envisioning it, I don’t think those pardons will hold up. I imagine SCOTUS would strike them down. Which is also a crazy precedent.

Speaking of them, I’d argue that the immunity ruling is a far worse precedent and already allows Trump to do far worse things than this “future pardon” thing does.

But I agree with you, it’s definitely a bad precedent and it’s really sad to see the country where it is now.

Yea this is what I'm getting at. I can't even think of any wording that can make it work, or that wouldn't be massively abused in 4 years. I just think this has to be shot down if attempted or we'll get much worse.

Like this tag I got. If he gets pardoned for "anything Covid related" or whatever, everyone will scream injustice who doesn't like him, and Trump will use this fire to pardon ANYONE he wants for FUTURE investigation lol bruh. Nah lol.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yea, I think Trump made some very dubious pardons to say the least. Much worse than Hunter's. Hunters was bad for different reasons, bad timing on patty and nepotism optics combined with previous comments. Trump's had some true scumbags in his which is worse objectively even if lesser known. But no pardon in history is worse than a "future pardon". And there's a lot there so I am going to say it in more simple terms, as a timeline of very likely events if that was to happen.

-Biden future pardons X amount of people because they may be investigated in the future (even if unfairly)
-Trump, who sees this, now says to himself "oh instead of trying to pardon myself in a few years I can go all in and pardon all my group of any potential investigations, excellent time to go supervillain
-Instead of getting 100% Trump, now you get 600% Trump And Friends
-2028 comes and he future pardons a bunch of guys that you know did all types of illegal damaging dirt to the economy, to people, etc, making them immune to investigation
-2028 President wins and it's JD Vance or some Maga guy, he says "oh if you think that was something just wait to see what I do in 2032".

This is why I didn't address the point you made that your referenced. Because to me, ALL POINTS are inferior to the very likely conclusion of the actions. We ALREADY have Trump for 2024 and ALREADY will deal with the Trumping for 4 years, but there is NO tradeoff i am willing to compromise that gives Trump ultimate future pardons power in 2028. None. This to me is literally, no hyperbole, the #1 worst case scenario that I can think of, which is why this precedent should not be set under any circumstances.

You're acting like I'm for the pardons of Hunter and Cheney when I'm not. What I am saying is that you're ignoring the primary reason this is being considered and its because Trump is promising to go after his enemies with the DOJ and in fact two posts above yours are lauding him for that in the case of Fauci.

Additionally I don't accept your conclusion that Trump needs Biden to do this to consider it himself. He's even talked about pardoning himself in the past, something not even Nixon did. Its silly to act like Trump needs an excuse to consider egregious norm violations when that was what he ran on and was elected for.

 

[cincymma79]

You're acting like I'm for the pardons of Hunter and Cheney when I'm not. What I am saying is that you're ignoring the primary reason this is being considered and its because Trump is promising to go after his enemies with the DOJ and in fact two posts above yours are lauding him for that in the case of Fauci.

Additionally I don't accept your conclusion that Trump needs Biden to do this to consider it himself. He's even talked about pardoning himself in the past, something not even Nixon did. Its silly to act like Trump needs an excuse to consider egregious norm violations when that was what he ran on and was elected for.

Just say the Biden pardon proves that Washington is the specials and they never face any consequences for crimes that matter. You had to make up charges to get trump and even those are gone now. WMD? Nothing. Vietnam? Nope. I can keep going. Every few decades one person gets trotted out and they say it’s all fixed now (Harvey Weinstein).

 

[Rational Poster]

Yea, I think Trump made some very dubious pardons to say the least. Much worse than Hunter's. Hunters was bad for different reasons, bad timing on patty and nepotism optics combined with previous comments. Trump's had some true scumbags in his which is worse objectively even if lesser known. But no pardon in history is worse than a "future pardon". And there's a lot there so I am going to say it in more simple terms, as a timeline of very likely events if that was to happen.

-Biden future pardons X amount of people because they may be investigated in the future (even if unfairly)
-Trump, who sees this, now says to himself "oh instead of trying to pardon myself in a few years I can go all in and pardon all my group of any potential investigations, excellent time to go supervillain
-Instead of getting 100% Trump, now you get 600% Trump And Friends
-2028 comes and he future pardons a bunch of guys that you know did all types of illegal damaging dirt to the economy, to people, etc, making them immune to investigation
-2028 President wins and it's JD Vance or some Maga guy, he says "oh if you think that was something just wait to see what I do in 2032".

This is why I didn't address the point you made that your referenced. Because to me, ALL POINTS are inferior to the very likely conclusion of the actions. We ALREADY have Trump for 2024 and ALREADY will deal with the Trumping for 4 years, but there is NO tradeoff i am willing to compromise that gives Trump ultimate future pardons power in 2028. None. This to me is literally, no hyperbole, the #1 worst case scenario that I can think of, which is why this precedent should not be set under any circumstances.


Yea this is what I'm getting at. I can't even think of any wording that can make it work, or that wouldn't be massively abused in 4 years. I just think this has to be shot down if attempted or we'll get much worse.

Like this tag I got. If he gets pardoned for "anything Covid related" or whatever, everyone will scream injustice who doesn't like him, and Trump will use this fire to pardon ANYONE he wants for FUTURE investigation lol bruh. Nah lol.

I honestly think it's perfectly fine to test the limits of pardoning so it actually get challenged and settled in court.

The problem isn't that Trump and Biden are using their powers to issue blanket pardons, it's that the language on the scope or limits of pardons is not defined much at all. The framers of the constitution simply did not intend for our Presidents to be this shitty about it. Same thing goes with Trump's abuses of office and crimes, and the shield provided by the supreme court. They simply didn't account for us being so vapid we would elect a literal criminal that tried to overturn election results.

The loopholes in the constitution need to be challenged and defined. That's the real precedent that matters.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I honestly think it's perfectly fine to test the limits of pardoning so it actually get challenged and settled in court.

The problem isn't that Trump and Biden are using their powers to issue blanket pardons, it's that the language on the scope or limits of pardons is not defined much at all. The framers of the constitution simply did not intend for our Presidents to be this shitty about it. Same thing goes with Trump's abuses of office and crimes, and the shield provided by the supreme court. They simply didn't account for us being so vapid we would elect a literal criminal that tried to overturn election results.

The loopholes in the constitution need to be challenged and defined. That's the real precedent that matters.

The issue is that with a 6-3 conservative court the limits of the pardon are going to depend on who is issuing the pardon. You can expect that Biden would be constrained by the SCOTUS while Trump would be empowered.

 

[Sara]

Sigh. No. I'm saying unless new information turns up there's no probable cause to believe he committed any crime other than the ones he was charged for after the investigations that have already occurred turned up bupkis.

I don't have any personal opinion on what he's done or hasn't done. You can assume he did all kinds of shit if you want--unless you're in law enforcement. I said no one has shown and basis for further action against him. In the absence of that, going on a fishing expedition is wrong. It's crazy to me you think that's OK; I'm glad you're not a cop--or a judge.

I note that you completely ignored my questions about the 5th amendment and the right to remain silent during questioning.

I'm not sure how to make my position any clearer so that you will stop misrepresenting what I've said so I'm done with this now.

No I answered that. I said no I don’t think the fifth mean you’re guilty, and expounded with more of what I thought about guilty not guilty

 

[Rational Poster]

The issue is that with a 6-3 conservative court the limits of the pardon are going to depend on who is issuing the pardon. You can expect that Biden would be constrained by the SCOTUS while Trump would be empowered.

Then even better that Biden does it so it gets challenged before Trump gets another crack.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Then even better that Biden does it so it gets challenged before Trump gets another crack.

I have no faith in the current SCOTUS and especially if Trump can make it a 7-2 conservative court. At this point they could rule against Biden's pardon and in favor of Trump's with whatever cockamamie reasoning they want and there's not much we can do about it.